Matt H Posted March 15, 2003 Share Posted March 15, 2003 Well what can you say? The man was consistent and managed to control the game for the full 90 minutes..... Consistently [****!!****] that is and had control of every Canvey player's move throughout the whole game!! I don't think I've seen a worse referee all season. I don't usually complain about the Referees, but today's one took the biscuit. I don't recall his name from anywhere so he must have just graduated with his Uefa approved Refereeing qualification. Why is it that Maidenhead can take their free-kicks whenever they want to, yet the Referee tells every Canvey player to strictly wait for his whistle to be blown? Why does the man standing 15 yards away have to look over to a man standing 40 yards away to see if he awards a penalty for handball? Why does he have to blow up for the slightest thing rather than play on or play the advantage to either team. Why does he blatantly turn a blind eye to every dig, elbow and barge that the likes of Gregors, Minton, Dobbo, JK, Benno, Boylan, Rudi, Parms and Berquez all recieved throughout the game? A complete [****!!****], I felt and he was as bad for Maidenhead as he was for Canvey in the second-half, but the inconsistency with the free-kicks is what gets me. I know Canvey have done it in the past with Tilly and it is the Attacking teams advantage so they can take it whenever they want, but the fact that he let Maidenhead do it and not Canvey got right up my nose in that second half!!! Matt CIFC <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cangull Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 I have to agree with you Matt in every aspect of what you have said. Sounds much like the problem Aldershot had against Maidenhead and the referee on their day. They got away with bully tactics, but as soon as Canvey got anywhere near a Maidenhead players the whisle went. There really should be something that can be done about the quality of refereeing at this level, this year has been the worst I have ever witnessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YELLOW Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 I couldn't make the game because of a family party but Matt was the referee worse than Mr Murfitt who had an appalling display in the home match against Hayes? The thing that really pisses me off is that this has cost us two points, OK from what I've read we missed a few chances but in tight games like this we don't need referees making appalling decisions. Anyway it could have been worse. We're still unbeaten in 15 games and we all knew we were not going to win all our remaining games. We now need Shots to slip quite badly but anything can happen. If we can grind out a few results, beat Shots and keep the unbeaten run going to the end of the season, we've got a great chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted March 16, 2003 Author Share Posted March 16, 2003 I don't usually complain about the Referees Dave so I have to say he is the worst I've seen this season! You could tell in the first ten minutes that we were going to have to play against him too. How can a team try to win a game when they have to play against the man that it all counts on? Does anyone know if he was a County Qualified Referee or Ryman League Standard? Matt CIFC <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cangull Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 His performance wouldn't even relate to a District Sunday league ref, the same could be said for the two lino's too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACKLE1000 Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 The second half 'catch' by the Maidenhead defender, which was seen by us, Maidenhead,Alan Devonshire and his coach(don't know his name), in fact everyone bar the 'ref' and his 'assistant' says it all. Although we did not play as we can, a referee should be subject to proper criticism not just a meaningless rating out of 100, when he ruins a game like this ref did. Also did anyone else see the ref assume the 'i need protection at the whistle position' he knew he was bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merv Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 But was it right for Canvey fans to be abusive towards him as he walked down the tunnel at the end of the game? Is football rage (similar to road rage) ever justified? By swearing at the ref and shaking fists/pointing fingers, did the Canvey fans actually achieve anythng, other than fuel the fire of our detractors who think we are all hooligans anyway? I think the referee was a total plonker, just like those who have posted here. But I was disappointed at those Canvey fans who stood at the tunnel and brought themselves, and the club, into disrepute. Purely a personal opinion of course and I still think that the Yellow Army are a great bunch, but scenes like the one I witnessed on Saturday disappointed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACKLE1000 Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 As i walked straight out after the game i did not witness this, however point taken MERV, though i will say that frustration is part of the game and although not desirable, finger waving is better than fighting, which is some other supporters reaction. Not a good advert but with the lack of an official way of criticising the referee, what other options are there? Maybe if the F.A. introduced a method of getting the fans point across then at least the refs in question can put their points across as well. I think the lack of communication and feedback is a catalyst for most anti-referee behaviour as they are seen as un-touchable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cangull Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 Was that at HT or FT Merv? I must admit that frustration got the better of me on Saturday. Because there is no clear cut way of making it known how bad officials have been, most people would consider that the only way to complain would be to show their displeasure directly to those responsible. I obviously do not agree with physical violence or excessive verbal abuse but if an official lets himself down by his own incompetence and ruins a potentially good game of football he should then be marked accordingly. Because officiating bodies do not allow a zero rating, then a state of frustration exists because nothing can be done to alter a further occurance. At half time, spectators and myself included showed this poor excuse for a referee what they thought of him. I thought his performance in the second half was a touch better than the first, perhaps something stirred his better nature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YELLOW Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 It's very difficult keeping your cool in a situation like that. I think nearly everyone has lost it at a football match and slagged off the referee. At this time of the season nerves and tension come into it. We're all standing there biting our nails knowing we have to win to keep the pressure up and when a referee makes a mistake we tend to relieve that tension by shouting and slagging him off. There's nothing you can do about it but it just makes you feel better if you let your frustration out on the ref. I remember the scenes at Braintree last season at half time after Duffers got sent off, that wasn't pretty but unfortunately football is about passion and sometimes this can spill over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACKLE1000 Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 CORRECT Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c'mon ricay Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 face its over anyone got a white flag to fly over park lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YELLOW Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 Can we borrow your one then? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 I agree the ref yesterday was awful and completely inconsistent. In saying that, do refs take notice of the fans during the game? I ask following yesterdays game, the ref gave a decision against Canvey within the first 5 minutes or so and the fans went mad calling him all-sorts and more! The ref clocked the Canvey supporters and it went downhill from there. I admit that the refs should be above this but it does make me wonder if they then decide to go against the team because of the 'personal' comments made to him and likewise the lino's. I mean we have all heard of the restuarants that if you are rude they can do all sorts to your food and get away with it. Do refs themselves think that they have the power to 'get away' with it? I'm not saying the ref shouldnt get comments but think some comments the refs take to heart. It would be funny if just for one game the fans done a 'Merv' and prayed for guidance for the lost soul that is the ref! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald_Eagle Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Quote: But I was disappointed at those Canvey fans who stood at the tunnel and brought themselves, and the club, into disrepute. The violent side of non league again rears it's ugly head at park lane, it's like a bullring in there some say..........others say its more like a corrigated shed painted in 2 colours which look nasty together (I was going to mention this to the Albans blokes but they, like us, are constantly faced by you dirty theiving Quote: violent essex types, with your RS Turbo's and 'peroxide 'n' padded bra chicks' that they are almost forgiven). Not only have you let the club down, You've let the league down and worst of all, you've let yourselves down. So, moving on.........ready to get done at home by the Bedford on Saturday? *******[color:"blue"]A[/color][color:"yellow"]N[/color][color:"blue"]D[/color] [color:"yellow"]O[/color][color:"blue"]U[/color][color:"yellow"]T[/color] [color:"blue"]S[/color][color:"yellow"]U[/color][color:"blue"]N[/color][color:"yellow"]G[/color]****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merv Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 What a shame that an honest and intelligent thread has to suffer the kind of pap that is written above. Some Canvey fans showed their verbal aggression on Saturday but we are big enough to discuss it openly on this public forum. You have shown your total stupidity and I am surprised that you would want to offer it for discussion in a similar way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald_Eagle Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Quote: What a shame that an honest and intelligent thread has to suffer the kind of pap that is written above <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I think you need to use the same focus and strength in weeding out the 'Canvey Boo Boys' rather than verbally 'ATTACKING' little old me.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merv Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 At least this latest reply is intelligent. Keep it up and your contributions will be welcome here. Doesn't matter if we agree with them or not but I reckon you're too clever to resort to the stereotyping rubbish or your earlier post. We're all looking forward to a good game on Saturday and if your lot can help create a good atmosphere at Park Lane that will be great. We heard nothing from the Ford, Boreham, Grays or Hampton visitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 The point that we need to keep in mind when it comes to 'venting our spleen' with referees (apart from the ammunition it gives to Bald_Eagle and his like) is the position it leaves the club in, should the referee make a complaint to the league. Clubs have the right to complain about the standard of refereeing in a game and they do this via a marking system that gets submitted with the team/results sheet. But referees also have the right to complain about physical or verbal abuse, inlcuding threats, they might receive from a club - be it officials or fans. I know for a fact that Frances Roche had to submit a statement to the league earlier in the season after a ref made a formal complaint which included a tunnel incident at Park Lane. Frances tells me that the FA do not take these incidents lighlty. Having said that, I know the club really appreciates the backing and the support of the fans. I know from speaking to several players that when they run out onto the pitch at away games they immediately look around to find out where the Yellow Army is located. You'll notice that several of them immediately give their own applause to those who have made the journey. But when the official don't seem to be up to it, perhaps a degree of 'biting of tongues' is called for. Long live the humour of Tony's LOOK AT ME!!! contributions and the bollocking that accompanies each outburst. But a cry from the terrace is quite different from abuse in your face as you walk down the tunnel. Before any other opposing fans gets on his/her high horse, let's be clear that Canvey fans are not the only ones to get upset with match officials, or officials from opposing clubs. What is refreshing, however, is the way Canvey are prepared to open an honest debate on the subject in an attempt to put it all into proportion. Here endeth my lecture for today. Now roll on Hendon tonight and let's hope the official are of a reasonable standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabird Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 A very sensible outburst of logic but we have one further opportunity as a club to make civilised inroads reference the question of standards With the Conference making major political moves for change and the Ryman and Dr Martins etc showing variable degrees of resistance now is the time for clubs to challenge all priorities on how they perform How do they intend to invest for change in how referees, coaches, management etc perform How is training and work experience to be managed to elevate standards across all non-league activities Where does the issue of development of youth play its part in the change Clubs are being swept along by the "who" will manage but should collectively be placing pressure on "how" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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