This voting to the pick side lark

[chris blanc]

Originally Posted By: cgc

My understanding is that there would be a 'Let the manager decide' option when it comes to voting. That way the manager does not have to make known what his formation and tactics are. Therefore none of the three possible outcomes Chris posted above would arise.

But surely any vote taken on team selection would be made after the manager has given his opinion?

To be honest, I've pretty much resigned myself to this takeover happening and am watching all the goings on with a mixture of interest and dread. I haven't joined myself, but probably will should the takeover go through. If it doesn't and they go after someone else, then for me to join would be pretty hypocritical after having a go at others for "invading" our club lol.

I'm most interested now the way that this has been sold to the myfc members. The whole 'own a team, pick the team' thing seems to be completely inaccurate if you ask me.
The members can't really consider themselves owners, as they're only really renting at best. As soon as you stop paying your money, that's it. I think most members that come on here get that, at least the ones that are one here recently (I think we can forget most of the prattle spouted here on the day the news broke, from both sides).
I do still though, believe that you're gonna have a problem with the team selection, as it seems that a lot of your members feel that it's a part of this whole experience that the are entitled to and they won't back down on that.

As I said, interested and petrified at the same time

[cgc]

Originally Posted By: Andrew S

Can't you just imagine the scene at the 73rd minute..... Substitutes are being considered.......

The manager has his iPhone permanently on to the website, and calls out " Get Number 9 off, he's just been substituted by 8753 votes to 8046. Belay that - No he hasn't, another 1800 votes have just come in to keep him on, but I've been sacked and the big bird off Big Brother has been appointed as the new Manager!".......

It's not gonna happen like this Andrew. Once the team and tactics have been decided the manager has control to do what he likes during the match.

[FleetFanatic]

Originally Posted By: waggamick

I would think there would be a transitional period where the Manager would communicate with the MFC members by word or Youtube style presentation.
The MFC members would get to know the players and the Manager's style/preferences.
Eventually the Manager would outline the injured players who are unavailable and give a precis on the upcoming opposition and theor strengths/weaknesses.
He would declare the players available and by then the MFC memnvers should have some idea of each palyer's strenghts/weaknesses and positional preferences.
Next step would be an uninterfered with vote by each MFC member.
The strength of numbers would suggest a sensible team selected by consensus.
The MFC members would see success or failure and have to accept the consequences of their decision.
The coach would then come on line for the next game and give his observations re the selections and how well they worked,
And so the process would evolve...the members (note I'm not using the term "owners") would build up a bank of experience and given their interest in the sport should make logical decisions as the season progresses.
If it works....great.
If it doesn't work then its no different to the current situation where the Manager ends up getting sacked for HIS poor selections/tactics throughout the season.
This is an opportunity where the members can take responsibility for their consensus judgement rather than the usual white anting of the management/executive that takes place in a lot of clubs in the Bar after any disappointing result.
Go to other Forums and see where contributors/fans(?) will bay for the blood of the coach after a couple of losses...then go all quite when the team picks up a win or two.

Would there be any time for training with all this b******s going on?

[Burnham Lad]

Originally Posted By: cgc

Originally Posted By: Andrew S

Can't you just imagine the scene at the 73rd minute..... Substitutes are being considered.......

The manager has his iPhone permanently on to the website, and calls out " Get Number 9 off, he's just been substituted by 8753 votes to 8046. Belay that - No he hasn't, another 1800 votes have just come in to keep him on, but I've been sacked and the big bird off Big Brother has been appointed as the new Manager!".......

It's not gonna happen like this Andrew. Once the team and tactics have been decided the manager has control to do what he likes during the match.

Really? REALLY? Once the team and tactics have been decided, what else is there for him to do? Motivate the team when the tactics have been decided on a majority vote, and he may not even agree or understand why the decisions were made - there will be nobody who can explain that to him? You only have to look at some other sites to see what consensus there is on who should play, where, and in what formation..... definitive - I don't think so!

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: cgc

My understanding is that there would be a 'Let the manager decide' option when it comes to voting.

Again, from my understanding, this will not be the case.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: waggamick

I would think there would be a transitional period where the Manager would communicate with the MFC members by word or Youtube style presentation.
The MFC members would get to know the players and the Manager's style/preferences.
Eventually the Manager would outline the injured players who are unavailable and give a precis on the upcoming opposition and theor strengths/weaknesses.
He would declare the players available and by then the MFC memnvers should have some idea of each palyer's strenghts/weaknesses and positional preferences.
Next step would be an uninterfered with vote by each MFC member.
The strength of numbers would suggest a sensible team selected by consensus.
The MFC members would see success or failure and have to accept the consequences of their decision.
The coach would then come on line for the next game and give his observations re the selections and how well they worked,
And so the process would evolve...the members (note I'm not using the term "owners") would build up a bank of experience and given their interest in the sport should make logical decisions as the season progresses.
If it works....great.
If it doesn't work then its no different to the current situation where the Manager ends up getting sacked for HIS poor selections/tactics throughout the season.
This is an opportunity where the members can take responsibility for their consensus judgement rather than the usual white anting of the management/executive that takes place in a lot of clubs in the Bar after any disappointing result.
Go to other Forums and see where contributors/fans(?) will bay for the blood of the coach after a couple of losses...then go all quite when the team picks up a win or two.

As outlined - it will be an evolving process - No one knows how or if it will work - but there will be a transition period to see how it will develop.

[chris blanc]

Perhaps that's something that should have been thought of 6 months ago??

 

This is where you have all the trouble convincing people. You all come acroos like a bunch of fu**ing halfwits who think they have a clever idea but have no clue how to go about it.

 

Something that has been said many times over the last week is that this may be an experiment or lark or whatever to you guys, but it's a club that we love and we don't want to see it ruined by a load of people who clearly have no inkling about how they're gonna do half the things they're telling people they will do!

 

If you all insist on doing this, please just stay away from ANY decision making in this club for at least a year until you have any idea how this could work. Because I really think you have no idea at all.

 

I was almost at the point of acceptance before this, but I can see now it's just another case of some imbecile pi$$ing down my back and telling me it's raining

[waggamick]

Originally Posted By: Andrew S

Can't you just imagine the scene at the 73rd minute..... Substitutes are being considered.......

The manager has his iPhone permanently on to the website, and calls out " Get Number 9 off, he's just been substituted by 8753 votes to 8046. Belay that - No he hasn't, another 1800 votes have just come in to keep him on, but I've been sacked and the big bird off Big Brother has been appointed as the new Manager!".......

My understanding from MFC website was that once the players took the field then the mangaer would take over for the next 90 minutes.
Substitutions, tactical and formational changes would be totally up to him.
My previous posting is only MY interpretation of how such a scheme could work.
Of course there should be a transitional phase despite some on MFC Forums wanting to kick off staright away.
I'm in this for the long term and I'm prepared to hasten slowly so that EUFC has the best chance of success.

What would be interesting, over the transition period, given 'The Wisdom of Crowds' theory would be MFC members selecting their sides and see how they stand up against Liam daish's selections overa few months.

As far as 'no time to train' is concerned one would think an injection of cash would see the coaching staff expanded with the manager having a PA to cope with new demands and deadlines.

Great to see a good win in the latest game.

[chris blanc]

Originally Posted By: Andrew S

Can't you just imagine the scene at the 73rd minute..... Substitutes are being considered.......

The manager has his iPhone permanently on to the website, and calls out " Get Number 9 off, he's just been substituted by 8753 votes to 8046. Belay that - No he hasn't, another 1800 votes have just come in to keep him on, but I've been sacked and the big bird off Big Brother has been appointed as the new Manager!".......

You couldn't do it with an Iphone, the internet speed is so slow it'd take 20 mins for the screen to update

[Ian_D]

Depends where you are

[chris blanc]

Originally Posted By: Ian_D

Depends where you are

What, like in the future?

[cgc]

Originally Posted By: chris blanc

Something that has been said many times over the last week is that this may be an experiment or lark or whatever to you guys, but it's a club that we love and we don't want to see it ruined by a load of people who clearly have no inkling about how they're gonna do half the things they're telling people they will do!

If you all insist on doing this, please just stay away from ANY decision making in this club for at least a year until you have any idea how this could work. Because I really think you have no idea at all.

I was almost at the point of acceptance before this, but I can see now it's just another case of some imbecile pi$$ing down my back and telling me it's raining

Chris, we don't want to see the club ruined any more than you. On the contrary we are in this to make the club better. We all, the current supporters and MyFC, have the same goals in mind.

You may have a point about not making major decisions until we have a better understanding of how things are working. I'm of the view that if 'it's not broke, don't fix it' and would be happy to leave Daish to his own devices for the time being. This could be achieved by having a 'Let the manager decide' option and I think that most MyFC members would opt for this, at least as long as the results are going our way. I am unaware of any information indicating that this option would not be available but maybe doheochai knows different.

The Web Team have got MyFC this far and I have faith that they will produce the technology to enable team selection (including a 'Let the manager decide' option) before or around the time the purchase is completed. Until then I would urge a 'wait and see' attitude as comments about 'a bunch of fu**ing halfwits' ruining the club may not help to engender the spirit of shared cooperation we need to take the club to a higher level.

[chris blanc]

I understand your point, and apologise for the language last night, it was late and I was riled, but it's the wait and see attitude that's angering me (and many others). If all of this had been sorted out before hand and people could see clearly how things were going to work, I think the transition for all parties would have been a hell of a lot easier.

 

It doesn't help that we have so many conflicting statements on here about how things are gonna work. Picking the team, not picking the team, let the manager decide, don't let the manager decide.

 

It's all this flip flopping about that worries people

[waggamick]

Hard to criticise the MFC 'members pick the team' experiment when the extract from BBC Sport below suggests that the 'best manager' in England can, according to them and just about everyone else I've read, as well as my own observations having just watched the game on ESPN, blow his team selection and tactics as badly as he did.

 

 

BBC Sport Internet Site:

McClaren's final 4-5-1 format for his last defeat against Croatia was not necessarily a bad option, but it was applied in a naïve, almost Neanderthal manner which suggested little thought had been given to the game plan.

 

Peter Crouch was fed a constant diet of aimless long balls in that nightmarish first 45 minutes, when the formation could have produced much more imagination if McClaren had chosen to suggest it.

 

Instead of looking like they had received a measured message from their leader, England looked scared, negative, basic, desperate - and horribly lacking in technique compared to Croatia.

 

McClaren's big goalkeeping call of replacing Paul Robinson with Scott Carson went badly wrong after only eight minutes when the youngster made an amateurish hash of dealing with Nico Kranjcar's long-range shot and England were on the road to ruin.

 

By the way , the Australian Rugby Team could do with the MFC touch as well!!!!

[waggamick]

MFC Forum now pushing for Cronin in goal ex loss to Croatia.

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: waggamick

MFC Forum now pushing for Cronin in goal ex loss to Croatia.

And thats based on seeing him play how many times? Against what level of opposition?

And MyFC members wonder why there is resistance to that specific part of their drivel promise!

[Jeff]

Everytime I go on there, I get more wound up and militant about the whole thing.

[Hirsty]

Originally Posted By: chris blanc

I understand your point, and apologise for the language last night, it was late and I was riled,

No need to apologies whatsoever....you expressed your true feelings....if others get upset about that then that's their problem !

Cheers,

[Hirsty]

Good point Waggamick.

 

We all know that the media pick ( or influence ) the manager of the England team & the team itself so why can't MyFC replicate that ?.......a point that I find hard to argue with. Lets hope it does not have the same result a ???

 

I look forward to a journalist from The Warcry replacing Liam at the earliest opportunity !!! Rattle them tins brother !!

 

At this point, expects a rebuke from CG about The Salvation Army and reference/little joke thereto !

 

Cheers,

[cgc]

Originally Posted By: chris blanc

but it's the wait and see attitude that's angering me (and many others). If all of this had been sorted out before hand and people could see clearly how things were going to work, I think the transition for all parties would have been a hell of a lot easier.

It doesn't help that we have so many conflicting statements on here about how things are gonna work. Picking the team, not picking the team, let the manager decide, don't let the manager decide.

It's all this flip flopping about that worries people

Completely agree that the frustration would be less if there were more certainties about how things are going to work. Everything has happened faster than I think Will Brooks or his team thought, therefore not every piece of the puzzle is yet in place.

But we have a commitment from him that it will be in place on the day the team is purchased. The problem as I see it is therefore that the news was made public before the purchase was complete. If it had been kept quiet until purchase day then all these unanswered questions would have answers.