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Forgive me for jumping onto your forum but I have been reading about this intriguing MyFC takeover and there are some things I am curious about which I'm sure that someone like doheochai or any of the others who know all about MyFC and think they know how to run a football club can answer for me.

 

Now I always thought that the biggest bugbear for a manager (or head coach) was interference in team selection from the board. Indeed, any talk of this usually signifies unrest at a club. As I understand it, before each game a member of the board - the one representing 51% of the club ownership - will hand the head coach a piece of paper with the team selection. What makes you think that these team picks will be any better than if, say, the club chairman picked them ? At most clubs, the manager (or head coach) picks the team, end of. If he is successful he's congratulated and keeps his job, if not he is sacked or resigns. That's the way it should be in my opinion.

 

Also, aside from team selection, who decides what to vote on ? For instance, who makes the decision to vote to sack the head coach ? How long should the vote run for ? What kind of majority is required, 51%, 75%, 90% ?? Who decides this ?

 

Will you be picking the youth team, or the ladies team ? What about pre-season friendlies ? Will you be voting on who to play pre-season ? will you be voting on team selections for these games ?

 

There will be times when quick decisions need to be made, and will need to be made by the board member representing the majority shareholders. Do you accept this, and what mechanism is in place if that representative's decision is not backed by the members of MyFC.

 

Here's a scenario. You are due to play Wealdstone at home in the FA Cup. The head coach makes his team recommendations but some bright spark suggests that this will be an easy game and that you should pick some fringe players to 'give them a run out' and 10,000 others agree with him. The game does not turn out to be so easy and you scrape a draw. The replay is on Monday night. Liam Daish gets home, embarrased, frustrated and a little angry, calls the Chairman and resigns. So you need to vote in a new Head Coach (even if its temporary), he needs to post his player assessments and recommended team picks and then you have to vote on it, all before Monday morning at the very latest. You need a decision quickly - so who makes it ? You haven't got time for 20,000 people scattered around the world to assess the options and make their choices, after all you have to give them all enough opportunity to make their choice and take into account time zone differences.

 

If Daish goes you could have 20-30 applicants easily. You can't interview them all. Someone has to create a shortlist. The shortlisted people need to be interviewed. You can't all do it can you ? My point is that one or a small number of people have to make these decisions, conduct these interviews etc, and so I question how much real control you have over the club.

 

If MyFC can make this work and truly turns Gravesend into a League club then you deserve the plaudits. However there are a lot of posters on here talking about rising attendances, increased revenue, rising up through the leagues, more this, better that, and I just think you have many surprises and a huge slice of reality coming your way.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Urchins,You will find when you ask probing questions, they all run and huddle together to get their hymn sheet out. Then they come back in here and all start preaching the good news again! so give them some time!

 

 

The the first lines of the spin doctors Hymn on here is:

 

Like a circle in a circle , like a wheel within a wheel,

We will keep there heads spinning, and the truth we won't reveal.

 

The first line of the Hymn thery sing to their members is:

 

To dream, the impossible dream, you pay for our own little scheme.

 

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LOL - this had fallen off the end of the active list by the time I came on here earlier smile

 

However, they aren't questions I have an answer too, and I don't have a hymn sheet to look them up on.

 

I suspect the failed premise in there is that 10,000 bright sparks agreed with him .. but we will have to wait and see.

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Hi Urchins,You will find when you ask probing questions, they all run and huddle together to get their hymn sheet out. Then they come back in here and all start preaching the good news again! so give them some time!


It's too late. None of the players know what's going on so none of them turn up for the replay. Wealdstone are awarded the tie, the FA fine the club for failing to fulfill a fixture and exclude them from the next year's competition.
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by the way who should we play at right back tomorrow...colin wants an answer please...its your turn to choose... yay


I believe Chris Harris is available grin

excellent choice comrade and harris it will be....its my turn next week and I think that bostock is better so I will turf harris out and choose bostock.....

I am a little concerned tho' about comrade urchin leewongsungflungdungwonchaibung...its his turn for right back in two weeks time and he wants us to sign some wa nker from the scezuian province that I have never heard of.......liceylousyleeflungdung.....

oh well....democracy is democracy and we pays our squidlies and gets our say.....so we'll just get on with it...I hope the fcker hasn't got an agent tho'..... asien
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I suspect the failed premise in there is that 10,000 bright sparks agreed with him .. but we will have to wait and see.


If you want my opinion - and you probably don't but you're getting it anyway - then I think after a few weeks it will probably only take a few hundred to swing a vote.

Incidentally, I only specified one bright spark - the others blindly followed.
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I suspect the failed premise in there is that 10,000 bright sparks agreed with him .. but we will have to wait and see.


If you want my opinion - and you probably don't but you're getting it anyway - then I think after a few weeks it will probably only take a few hundred to swing a vote.


knowing liam he will just blow smoke up their arses..declare the ones chosen that he doesn't want as injured and do what he should be doing.....trying to win football matches and not fckn around with a load of wired up bonzos.... grin
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Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1
I think you might be in trouble with liceylousyleeflungdung!
He has the same agent as Tevez.....One of his legs is owned by Pikyernose United, and the other by Mylfuafc Bewildered!


I have started my own website today fleety...its all here for the taking..sign up now...the world will be yours...

with all the current furore over members websites raising money for the purchase of a football club I have decided to get in on the act and start my own...the http://www.peoplesfriend.com will be available to all as the owners set out to help the 'people' buy and control their own 'peoples' football club. members will vote on all matters relating to the running of the football club but shall be strictly excluded from all financial affairs.

75,000 members are needed at £50 per membership which will raise 3.75 million for the purchase fund. Once the funds are in place and the 'administration' costs have been deducted along with other 'nominal' expenses, then an appropriate football club shall be taken over. Members will be allowed to vote on which club they wish to buy but the final decision will rest with the sites owners http://www.cashupyurbum.com which is a cayman islands provident trust run under the regulatory body of the nigerian stock exchange in cooperation with the columbian financial services authority... all monies deposited shall be protected by the northern rock building societies indemnity fund..

the site opens on monday at 8am for membership applications and payments and should generate enough funds to begin the target club identification programme in early spring 2008.

all donations please to the account of http://www.fckthelotofemplc.com -royal libyan bank inc c/o smugglers wharf - grand cayman - bahamas.

its OUR club..... bolt devil
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Forgive me for jumping onto your forum but I have been reading about this intriguing MyFC takeover and there are some things I am curious about which I'm sure that someone like doheochai or any of the others who know all about MyFC and think they know how to run a football club can answer for me.


I'm not one of the experts, but since I just saw this, I'll give it a run to keep the discussion going. And no, I don't know how to run a football club, so I'll answer what I can.

Originally Posted By: Urchins
Now I always thought that the biggest bugbear for a manager (or head coach) was interference in team selection from the board. Indeed, any talk of this usually signifies unrest at a club. As I understand it, before each game a member of the board - the one representing 51% of the club ownership - will hand the head coach a piece of paper with the team selection. What makes you think that these team picks will be any better than if, say, the club chairman picked them ? At most clubs, the manager (or head coach) picks the team, end of. If he is successful he's congratulated and keeps his job, if not he is sacked or resigns. That's the way it should be in my opinion.


I agree on the manager part. One of the choices that many of us there are asking for is a "Coach's decision" button, going with his recommendations. Even the most diehard MyFC member won't get a true sense of what is going on with the club, but the manager/coach and his staff will.

Also, I don't believe we'll be making any choices on the team selection until the beginning of next season. There's no reason to come in headstrong and alienate more people by making a lot of changes, I think.

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Also, aside from team selection, who decides what to vote on ? For instance, who makes the decision to vote to sack the head coach ? How long should the vote run for ? What kind of majority is required, 51%, 75%, 90% ?? Who decides this?


These questions are being asked right now on the forum. We, as in the members, don't know, which is pretty poor planning, to say the least.

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Will you be picking the youth team, or the ladies team ? What about pre-season friendlies ? Will you be voting on who to play pre-season ? will you be voting on team selections for these games ?


The biggest surprise out of this was the youth and ladies team and what to do with them. I honestly believe they should be left alone, in terms of team selection/players/managers.

There is a lot of discussion about bumping up the support for the development program and I'd really like to see that implemented.

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There will be times when quick decisions need to be made, and will need to be made by the board member representing the majority shareholders. Do you accept this, and what mechanism is in place if that representative's decision is not backed by the members of MyFC.


For the most part, accept it. As for the mechanism, we don't know yet.

Originally Posted By: Urchins
Here's a scenario. You are due to play Wealdstone at home in the FA Cup. The head coach makes his team recommendations but some bright spark suggests that this will be an easy game and that you should pick some fringe players to 'give them a run out' and 10,000 others agree with him. The game does not turn out to be so easy and you scrape a draw. The replay is on Monday night. Liam Daish gets home, embarrased, frustrated and a little angry, calls the Chairman and resigns. So you need to vote in a new Head Coach (even if its temporary), he needs to post his player assessments and recommended team picks and then you have to vote on it, all before Monday morning at the very latest. You need a decision quickly - so who makes it ? You haven't got time for 20,000 people scattered around the world to assess the options and make their choices, after all you have to give them all enough opportunity to make their choice and take into account time zone differences.

If Daish goes you could have 20-30 applicants easily. You can't interview them all. Someone has to create a shortlist. The shortlisted people need to be interviewed. You can't all do it can you ? My point is that one or a small number of people have to make these decisions, conduct these interviews etc, and so I question how much real control you have over the club.


Since this is a hypothetical, I'll say this: If Daish resigns mid-season, I (if I had to make the decision) would keep one of his staff as an interim coach, then have the board try and turn around a new coach as soon as possible. I would imagine that the finalists would go up for a vote.

Originally Posted By: Urchins
If MyFC can make this work and truly turns Gravesend into a League club then you deserve the plaudits. However there are a lot of posters on here talking about rising attendances, increased revenue, rising up through the leagues, more this, better that, and I just think you have many surprises and a huge slice of reality coming your way.


You'll have to excuse some of us in that we've been talking about this for months and have gone through a lot of the generalities of everything. Specifics, because we didn't have a club to talk about, were (and still) in short supply.

There are a lot of unknowns to this, I'll admit freely, and probably doesn't put a lot of you at ease. But I answered this as honestly as I can, because it deserved a response.

Good questions, some that I'll be chewing on throughout the day and this process.

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The problem with if Alan goes....You would keep one of his staff..........I believe there would only be Alan Kimble, and if you knew their history............Where one goes the other tends to go!


Since we were dealing in hypotheticals there, I went that route. I'm not surprised, but I am pleased, to know that Daish and Kimble are a team on-staff.

So that begs the question: Who else is on staff that would be able to fill in as an interim, if the need arises, in your opinion.
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there are some things I am curious about which I'm sure that someone like doheochai or any of the others who know all about MyFC and think they know how to run a football club can answer for me.

I don't know the first thing about running a football club, but I'll give it a shot.

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What makes you think that these team picks will be any better than if, say, the club chairman picked them ?

I don't.
But then, I haven't read The Wisdom of Crowds.

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At most clubs, the manager (or head coach) picks the team, end of. If he is successful he's congratulated and keeps his job, if not he is sacked or resigns. That's the way it should be in my opinion.

If the manager is good, then so will his proposed team selection. So what reason would people have for voting against that proposal?

On the other hand, if the manager isn't so good, then people might want to start fiddling around with his choices.

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Also, aside from team selection, who decides what to vote on ? For instance, who makes the decision to vote to sack the head coach ? How long should the vote run for ? What kind of majority is required, 51%, 75%, 90% ?? Who decides this ?

Good questions.
It would definitely be a good idea to come up with some sort of detailed constitution. (On the other hand, there would have been no point coming up with such a detailed plan immediately the My FC idea was mooted.)

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Will you be picking the youth team, or the ladies team ? What about pre-season friendlies ? Will you be voting on who to play pre-season ? will you be voting on team selections for these games ?

If only there were some way of appointing a proxy decision-maker...

And if only there were some way of deciding what decisions should be delegated.

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There will be times when quick decisions need to be made, and will need to be made by the board member representing the majority shareholders. Do you accept this, and what mechanism is in place if that representative's decision is not backed by the members of MyFC.

Yes.
How about not giving that delegate the power to make decision in the future? And appointing a different person in his place.

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Liam Daish gets home, embarrased, frustrated and a little angry, calls the Chairman and resigns. So you need to vote in a new Head Coach (even if its temporary)

Unless there's a line of succession already in place.

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he needs to post his player assessments and recommended team picks and then you have to vote on it, all before Monday morning at the very latest.

In the extremely unlikely event that you're left without a manager at uber-short notice, why wait for the appointment of a successor? Why not just vote for the team?

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You need a decision quickly - so who makes it ?

If only there were some way of appointing a proxy decision-maker...

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If Daish goes you could have 20-30 applicants easily. You can't interview them all. Someone has to create a shortlist.

If only there were some way of appointing a proxy decision-maker...

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My point is that one or a small number of people have to make these decisions, conduct these interviews etc, and so I question how much real control you have over the club.

Do you have control over who those small number of people are?
If so, then you have real control over the club.

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I just think you have many surprises and a huge slice of reality coming your way.

I couldn't agree more. There's lots to be worked out, but I don’t see any insurmountable problems.

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1
Hi Urchins,You will find when you ask probing questions, they all run and huddle together to get their hymn sheet out.

Or, y'know, they haven't visited these boards all day. Either way.
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