Pro's and Cons of MyFootballClub Takeover

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Originally Posted By: KShep

Originally Posted By: JimGNFC

The MyFootballClub scenario still seems "mind-boggling" to me:

3) Replacement managers are likely to be high profile managers that may have little or no experience of the non-league scene. Potential big names might include Ron Atkinson or even Paul Gascoigne, whose experiences at Kettering Town were less than impressive.

4) Existing promising "young" players such as Luke Moore or other promising young non-league players may be discarded in favour of ageing League Professionals whose name people may recognise.

Jim, your whole post was insightful and articulated the hopes and fears we have all had. In relation to the points I have picked out- this is where GNFC/EUFC fans can have an impact. As we have seen, the big-name managers and players are by no means guaranteed success in non-league and somewhat underachieve perenially. IF the bulk of the fans commit the one-off £35, we can use our knowledge and expertise, and experience of the non-league scene, to influence the outcome of a vote for the better. Also, many MyFC members have acknowledged they will be passive in voting, or will vote the same way as the majority of 'real' fans. The more fans there are on the system, the more influential we will be on outcomes and on voters themselves.




When payday comes, I'm joining.

What Knowledge, expertise, experience? Standing on a terrace cheering a team on, or criticising the team?
Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Wow another money making scheme........I'm going to phone the club and ask for the contract to widen the turnstiles, so you can get your head and inflated ego into the ground!

[KShep]

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1

Originally Posted By: KShep

Originally Posted By: JimGNFC

The MyFootballClub scenario still seems "mind-boggling" to me:

3) Replacement managers are likely to be high profile managers that may have little or no experience of the non-league scene. Potential big names might include Ron Atkinson or even Paul Gascoigne, whose experiences at Kettering Town were less than impressive.

4) Existing promising "young" players such as Luke Moore or other promising young non-league players may be discarded in favour of ageing League Professionals whose name people may recognise.

Jim, your whole post was insightful and articulated the hopes and fears we have all had. In relation to the points I have picked out- this is where GNFC/EUFC fans can have an impact. As we have seen, the big-name managers and players are by no means guaranteed success in non-league and somewhat underachieve perenially. IF the bulk of the fans commit the one-off £35, we can use our knowledge and expertise, and experience of the non-league scene, to influence the outcome of a vote for the better. Also, many MyFC members have acknowledged they will be passive in voting, or will vote the same way as the majority of 'real' fans. The more fans there are on the system, the more influential we will be on outcomes and on voters themselves.




When payday comes, I'm joining.

What Knowledge, expertise, experience? Standing on a terrace cheering a team on, or criticising the team?
Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Wow another money making scheme........I'm going to phone the club and ask for the contract to widen the turnstiles, so you can get your head and inflated ego into the ground!

Or perhaps the point Jim raised! Liam Daish is unheard of to the average football follower, but Paul Gascoigne is a household name. Which one would hypothetically be better for the Fleet? I think the majority of MyFC members would go with the name they recognise, but this could more often than not be the wrong decision. Look at Alex Meechan earlier this season- a 'big name' as far as the Conference goes, and would therefore be the choice of the fan who hasn't watched non-league football. Would he be the right one? York City didn't seem to think so.

You can see the point I'm making; that the fans of the club won't get drawn in by reputation, perhaps unlike the MyFC members.

Also, if we're to consider off-the-pitch decisions, do you not think the fans' views and collective knowledge and local expertise (in contrast to a MyFC member who hasn't been to Kent, let alone Stonebridge Road) of an Ebbsfleet fan would be a useful tool to have in decision-making?

Or shall we wear the hypocrite hat, bemoan the 20,000 people who know nothing about our club whilst pulling the strings, meanwhile the people who DO know something about the club don't contribute their opinions and ideas...

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Originally Posted By: KShep

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1

Originally Posted By: KShep

Originally Posted By: JimGNFC

The MyFootballClub scenario still seems "mind-boggling" to me:

3) Replacement managers are likely to be high profile managers that may have little or no experience of the non-league scene. Potential big names might include Ron Atkinson or even Paul Gascoigne, whose experiences at Kettering Town were less than impressive.

4) Existing promising "young" players such as Luke Moore or other promising young non-league players may be discarded in favour of ageing League Professionals whose name people may recognise.

Jim, your whole post was insightful and articulated the hopes and fears we have all had. In relation to the points I have picked out- this is where GNFC/EUFC fans can have an impact. As we have seen, the big-name managers and players are by no means guaranteed success in non-league and somewhat underachieve perenially. IF the bulk of the fans commit the one-off £35, we can use our knowledge and expertise, and experience of the non-league scene, to influence the outcome of a vote for the better. Also, many MyFC members have acknowledged they will be passive in voting, or will vote the same way as the majority of 'real' fans. The more fans there are on the system, the more influential we will be on outcomes and on voters themselves.




When payday comes, I'm joining.

What Knowledge, expertise, experience? Standing on a terrace cheering a team on, or criticising the team?
Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Wow another money making scheme........I'm going to phone the club and ask for the contract to widen the turnstiles, so you can get your head and inflated ego into the ground!

Or perhaps the point Jim raised! Liam Daish is unheard of to the average football follower, but Paul Gascoigne is a household name. Which one would hypothetically be better for the Fleet? I think the majority of MyFC members would go with the name they recognise, but this could more often than not be the wrong decision. Look at Alex Meechan earlier this season- a 'big name' as far as the Conference goes, and would therefore be the choice of the fan who hasn't watched non-league football. Would he be the right one? York City didn't seem to think so.

You can see the point I'm making; that the fans of the club won't get drawn in by reputation, perhaps unlike the MyFC members.

Also, if we're to consider off-the-pitch decisions, do you not think the fans' views and collective knowledge and local expertise (in contrast to a MyFC member who hasn't been to Kent, let alone Stonebridge Road) of an Ebbsfleet fan would be a useful tool to have in decision-making?

Or shall we wear the hypocrite hat, bemoan the 20,000 people who know nothing about our club whilst pulling the strings, meanwhile the people who DO know something about the club don't contribute their opinions and ideas...

You are ignoring my question!
Let me simplify it!
What FA Coaching Badges do you currently hold?
What experience have you got of making team dedisions?
What experience do you have of running a Professional Football Club?

[KShep]

AFF, you are right there, I hold no coaching badges, have no experience of running a professional football club etc., and I suspect none of the 20,000 do, although there might be a few Level 2s between them...

 

This could well be a problem. We do not have the qualifications or experience to run a team. However, we need to appreciate the bigger picture. It now seems that the financial situation was a lot more desperate than anyone could have predicted. Liam Daish admitted we would have to revert back to part-time football, which would almost certainly precede relegation, even lower crowds, lower sponsorship, and bleaker hopes of repaying the debt- you can see where this is going. I for one am prepared to go with MyFC's way of running things, mainly for the continued existence of my club. Yes, I do think the situation could have become that serious.

 

The second point I will make- on the surface, 20,000 picking the team is a ludicrous idea. However, many members have already declared they joined to be part of developing a local club, and will take no part in team selection. I think another large chunk will opt out of voting purely because they won't be able to pass judgement if they haven't seen the team. The majority of members who have seen the games will vote, as they are in a fair position to, and their votes may well influence those who did not go but still want to vote. General consensus in the stands regarding players, tactics and formations, in hindsight, usually seems correct- if the general consensus will be reflected in the voting, as I suspect it will, and opinions are moulded by informative training reports, then I see no reason why the team selection will be substantially worse than Liam's.

 

Even if the team selection is questionable, it is a small price to pay for what appears to be the assurance of Ebbsfleet's long-term security.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into it.Too many anomilies that the spin team won't answer!

I always thought you a fairminded person, and don't want to antagonise you!

 

How well do you trust the internet,how safe on a scale from 1 to 10

 

 

How can you trust the result?

 

 

For starters, from their website:

When we sign up 50,000 people, your 35 pounds fee is due!

How can you check they have 50,000 members?

Will they allow you to see all the other "members", or will they quote the rights to privacy of members?

 

 

I got a phone call in the middle of the night here, to get my [****!!****] out of bed, as my friend in England couldn't believe it. I got onto the Myclubfc website, and read their blurb!

They had taken over the club their members had voted for! Ebbsfleet was 10th in the table right next to their announcement! It wasn't until several hours later Ebbsfleet sluggishly rose to the top!

I have yet to talk to a member that voted for Ebbsfleet, even the most obvious spin doctors haven't admitted that(They probably will be all saying they did now!)did.

Most members I have talked to have admitted they were shocked when told which club they had "bought".

 

You will own a part of a team, and make decisions and team changes and tactics! Do you really believe that?

 

Think about it, A website running a club with members from rival, same league teams!

 

An internet vote on team tactics!

Open to abuse?

 

How can you trust the result?

 

You will be told how much a player is paid and how much he is worth!

 

Would you like 20,000 people knowing how much you earn?

 

Members from rival clubs fancy a player, and inform their club how much he is paid!

Not open to abuse, and an illegal approach?

 

 

There are many more, but for now, you and the others that are swayed...Take your 35 quid to the Trust hut and hand it over,direct to the club, you won't be paying a faceless Company 21% of your money, it will all go the club, if more people had done that the club might not be in financial straits!

 

I include myself in that statement!

[KShep]

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1

I always thought you a fairminded person, and don't want to antagonise you!

No offence taken mate!

There will not be a 100% foolproof way to stop abuse in the way of privacy regarding players' wages, the personal information on members and so on, however, even at Conference level, I suspect 'agents' will work for whoever is offering the most money, and will disclose exactly the same information in negotiations with different clubs upon being approached.

'How can you trust the result?'
I will trust the result because I trust the organisation, and I suppose I trust Will Brooks. The man has been under an intense spotlight for months now, and his ideas under equally as much scrutiny- if there was room for mismanagement or personal exploitation, I think it would have been brought to light. If we have missed a trick, and we do have wool pulled over our eyes, Brooks will have to face the media circus which would doubtlessly go hand-in-hand with any controversy. Would it really be worth it on his behalf?

No-one can stop our rivals from signing up and holding a vote. However, I doubt that more than a handful of people would pay £35 each to earn, let's say, 10 of 20,000 votes, or 0.05% of the vote. Even if the number of 'moles' was to go into hundreds, they would still only hold a few percent of the vote. Firstly, I don't think enough people are hellbent to see us fail, and if there were hundreds nasty enough to spend £35 to ruin us, would their vote count that much anyway?

[American FLEET FAN No1]

I have already posted a Hypothetical outcome of the "end game".

How many people are really behind this? Just Willie Brooks?

Who will be Board members when the present board step down?

Don't you believe that is already decided. or do you still believe in the fairness of the internet vote?

Do you really believe Ebbsfleet will reach the Premiership?

Not in my lifetime, I don't know about yours!

That was on e of their promises projections!

[rsheard]

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1

Do you really believe Ebbsfleet will reach the Premiership? Not in my lifetime, I don't know about yours! That was on e of their promises projections!

Show me anything on the MyFC website that promises or projects the club will be in the premiership. Saying that we want to purchase a club that has the potential to go there is miles from promising to put it there, but then, when you take lots of broad shots, I guess accuracy isn't all that important.

[Yorkshire Fan]

MyFC wants LEAGUE football for Ebbsfleet - on current subscriptions its obvious we couldnt afford Championship football without a huge increase in attendances/sponsorship (never mind Premiership)

[Leroix]

I was hoping that Ebbsfleet could establish its own army and take over Kent, then build some ship yards, and increase the fleet's strength, leading to an annexation of France. After subduing most of Europe, we would invade Russia, but not in winter.

[Harry J Allstars]

Moscow is no easy place to get to by land, as those Nazi's proved.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Don't mention Nazis, Harry.........Your new Overlords get upset!