DORKING FOOTBALL CLUB - THE FACTS

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

MVDC's Supplementary statement on a 'Questions and Answers' theme:-

 

MOLE VALLEY ACTS TO PROTECT FOOTBALL IN DORKING

 

Questions and answers on Press Release of same title issued 12 November 2007

 

 

Q. When was the decision made to take action?

A. July 2007

 

That was widely anticipated and reported

 

Q. Why is this action being taken?

A. Because of the Club's failure over many years to carry out its obligations under its lease, in particular its failure to maintain and repair the buildings and fences to the required standard.

 

This would appear to be backed up by the recent vandalism and thefts, keep your fences, windows and doors in a good state of repair and the little feckers might pick an easier target

 

Q. What happens now / next?

A. On Friday 16th November, the Court will consider whether the Council should be permitted to apply to strike out DFC's 1991application for a new lease. If the Court does give permission, it is likely to give case management directions, for example, regarding the filing of evidence, the length of the hearing, and so on.

 

Court seems to have given permission and it goes to Guildford to be heard.

Q. Can the football club continue to be used whilst this is happening?

A. Yes, football can still be played at the grounds.

 

There you are you chicks you can start playing now !

[Big J R]

This subject is now included on a BBC News site:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/surrey/7102509.stm

[APM]

Quote from the Council

 

"Dorking FC have played at Meadowbank since the 1950s, but the council said it did not want an end to football there"

 

What the people of Dorking need to see is the Council are saying they are not interested in ending Football at Meadowbank but want to have no further dealings with Dorking FC Limited and the Shareholders.

 

So all this talk coming from Dorking FC Limited about the Council having other reasons for trying to get Dorking FC Limited of their land for another use is all made up and are just trying to scare.

 

The main reason Dorking FC Limited are trying to be evicted is because the ground is a disgrace!

 

Quote from Dorking FC Limited

 

Vice-chairman Ray Collins said “negotiations for a new 25-year lease were on hold from 2001 to 2006”

"No sensible organisation would have at that time invested money into a repair programme," a statement added.

So where is this money that would have been put aside to do these works when the lease was sorted out then?

 

Looking at the Clubs finances on Companies House I was sent a few months ago it showed the club had spent around £50,000 - £60,000 on ground maintenance and improvements for a 2 – 3 period but Vice Chairman Ray Collins is saying no sensible organisation would have at the time invested money into a repair programme.

 

So either Ray Collins is saying no money was spent during this time, which would mean the accounts given to Companies House are incorrect or Dorking Football Club Limited did spend around £50,000 - £60,000 on repairs and they are not a sensible organisation!

 

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

As I said earlier the accounts are written by Hans Christian Anderson, they are a work of fiction not to be taken seriously.

 

do the accounts show that 60k was actually spent?

 

Or do the accounts show ground/lease improvements valued as assets at 60k?

 

either way can anyone say what these improvements are?

 

would anyone else value them at 60k and could the ltd co sell them for that or walk away with them?

 

If not the ltd company has a black hole in its accounts and is seriously skint.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[APM]

Ask Dorking Dave for the accounts it is great reading.

I can't remeber how it showed it on the accounts.

 

 

[Big J R]

Originally Posted By: APM

Ask Dorking Dave for the accounts it is great reading.
I can't remeber how it showed it on the accounts.

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

lost for words Bjr?

[Big J R]

Have had other 'fish to fry', if you'll pardon the expression.

 

Not lost for words. Nothing constructive to say at the moment, other than wot wiv this wevver and the long term 4cast, I can see a lot of games off this weekend !

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

just wondered what the little round fella was supposed to signify, whats a nodding smiley called hump mean?

[DorkingDave]

Originally Posted By: Big J R

Originally Posted By: APM

Ask Dorking Dave for the accounts it is great reading.
I can't remeber how it showed it on the accounts.

Tangible Fixed Assets
Leasehold Improvements at 31 May 2003 £51,582
Leasehold Improvements at 31 May 2005 £61,582

Financial Statement for 31st May 2004 not filed with companies house.

Nice round figure that!!!

[DorkingDave]

I and many others, who tried to help and support DFC, have been pushed away.

 

Dorkings forum is an indicator:

 

You must be a registered member to post on the the Dorking Forum.

Dorking FC Discussion Forums :: An Error Has Occurred

 

Sorry, you have been banned from this forum.

 

 

This discussion forum set up by the DFCSA for Dorking Football Club.

 

And what happened to the DFCSA Anyone remember?

 

It was disbanded because the Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer expressed displeasure at the teams performance and were told to go away, stronger language was used...

 

The pitch was maintained by the Managers for the last couple of seasons, what happened to them, sacked for talking to a new potential tennant, as the council were trying to evict DFC Ltd. Funny how everyone else knew what was going but the club didn't, despite them knowing exactly the content of these meetings. They were invited, everyone was with an interest in senior football in Dorking.

 

This was posted in the Dorking AD May 31st.

 

http://icsurreyonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0200sports/0100news/tm_method=full%26objectid=19225346%26siteid=50101-name_page.html

 

The last paragraph being...

 

There is a meeting at 8pm tonight (Thursday) in the Old House at Home Public House, Dorking, for anyone who has an interest in the future of senior football in the town.

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

Try not to spill the coffee when reading the Dorking Ad tomorrow!

 

I hope the board can come up with something better than they have so far to rally any support in the town.

 

It does seem strange that the value of the leasehold improvements has increased by 10,000 during a period when the board say they werent spending.

 

I wonder what the 60,000 gbp leasehold improvements are?

 

That would be some positive news they could put out , "weve spent over 60, 000 pounds of our own money improving the facility, look we did this, and this"

 

I cant recall any of that being said and I cant say Ive noticed any improvements down there worth 60 k as a tangible asset.

 

The board have said "We didnt spend any money because of the lease issue"

 

It seems to me things need clarifying.

 

There was a lot of work done on the ground to keep its ground grading, any ideas how that was done?

 

 

[eye1]

£10,000 over a two year period is not a lot of money, and can easily be spent without any noticible differences.

 

The way you two are talking Black holes and things, Dorking FC is not a major PLC, but just a small club with the budget of a tiny corner shop. Get real?

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

60, 000 pounds on improvements showing in the accounts when the council is saying the grounds are in such a poor state they have decided to evict, and the club saying no money has been spent because of the lease issue doesnt that seem strange to you?

 

 

 

 

 

[eye1]

When was the Ltd Co incorporated, it is from that date to current that the total of £61,000 comes from

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

Not sure on the date but relatively recently.

 

It is showing on the accounts as a tangible asset.

 

I dont think you can cut the grass and add 200 pounds to the leasehold improvements.

 

If you were being accused of not maintaining your property and you had spent 60,000 pounds on improvements wouldnt you mention that?

 

Would you decide to say I havent spent anything because I dont know how long Im staying?

 

Thats what the club are saying.

 

 

 

[eye1]

Date of Incorporation: 18/08/1982

 

The way I read the accounts:

 

£51,585 was spent from 1982 upto 2003, then the two year period between 2003-2005 another £10,000 giving a total of £61,585, do you not know how to read accounts?

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

what is a tangible asset?

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

is it something that is real, you can see, a building or land or a car?

Something you could sell?

 

Its value would be a market value, one that someone would pay for it?

[eye1]

Definition

 

Assets having a physical existence, such as cash, equipment, and real estate; accounts receivable are also usually considered tangible assets for accounting purposes. opposite of intangible asset.