Good move? Vote here.

[ItsBusiness]

Because we aren't 20,000 fat cat directors. We are 20,000 people who love football and are fed up with the rich owners dictating everything. There may be some moronic voting but if you understand the science behind the wisdom of crowds you might realise that the moronic vote will not have any effect on the majority vote. This is a real chance for people who want to have a say to actually have it.

A lot of the Ebbsfleet fans seem as if they will reject any change good or bad without condidering where it might take them. I think they should feel lucky that this opportunity has come their way and not someone else's.

[Del_Boy]

Originally Posted By: EUFC FAN

The BBC news last night implied that they can do everything from picking the team to setting the price of a pint in the bar. If this is true what's stop them all voting to set adult admission price at 1p and bankrupting the club!

Sorry, that's just a ridiculous comment. Why on earth would the new owners of a football club want to do that ??

Constructive criticism and debate please, not daft knee jerk reactions

[Poultice]

Originally Posted By: ItsBusiness

I think they should feel lucky that this opportunity has come their way and not someone else's.

Exeter City fan here to show a little solidarity siblings.

This is exactly the kind of self righteous cack that these latter day cultists have been posting on Exeweb.

They have no concept of what it is all about.

[David Holden]

Quote:

on the other hand, perhaps we're not eleven years old

 

The evidence of some of your earlier posts suggests otherwise

[ItsBusiness]

Cultists? Really, if you use that sort of language to debate with is it any wonder that people are going to come on this forum specifically to wind people up.

[Poultice]

It is not a debate it is a coup d'etat.

[Stu M]

Originally Posted By: Del_Boy

Constructive criticism and debate please,

OK... MyFC purports to be all about putting the game back in the hands of the fans and out of the boardroom.

Therefore, has MyFC not begun life - with its very first move - by doing the exact opposite, by taking over a club whose board has relinquished control without ANY discourse or choice for the fans.

MyFC has built its first foundation on hypocrisy regardless of whether it elevates us to the Premiership or cures world peace thereafter.

Discuss.

[ItsBusiness]

It's your Club that has agreed to sell it's shares. If your neighbours put their house on the market and you don't like the new owners it's not really got anything to do with you. As with any business it's the people who own the majority stakes that get the say. It's their money and they do what they choose with it. That's why fans get ignored and don't get their say.

I seem to believe that the reason MYFc began is to protest at the way football is run and give the ordinary bloke or lass on the street a chance to have their say.

 

[Stu M]

Originally Posted By: ItsBusiness

It's your Club that has agreed to sell it's shares. If your neighbours put their house on the market and you don't like the new owners it's not really got anything to do with you. As with any business it's the people who own the majority stakes that get the say. It's their money and they do what they choose with it. That's why fans get ignored and don't get their say.

Nice try, but you haven't answered my question. My house and my business are immaterial. I'm not saying the board had no right to give the club away, it did since it owns however many shares. I own none. Fine.

But you sidestepped the point that you're all about fans getting one over on the boardroom but MyFC has gained a foothold precisely because the boardroom has sh@t on the fans again.

[kaizen]

"A lot of the Ebbsfleet fans seem as if they will reject any change good or bad without condidering where it might take them. I think they should feel lucky that this opportunity has come their way and not someone else's."

 

Oh, we're ever so grateful kind sir, may I wash you feet for you sir!

[Bill Kent]

It gets my vote. Ive seen a lot of changes at Stonebridge Road since 1948 and this concept is the best yet. Boy have we struggled in the past to keep the club going.

If It's in trust. What's the problem?

 

I'll take the dosh from wherever it comes from.

[ItsBusiness]

Originally Posted By: Stu M

Originally Posted By: ItsBusiness

It's your Club that has agreed to sell it's shares. If your neighbours put their house on the market and you don't like the new owners it's not really got anything to do with you. As with any business it's the people who own the majority stakes that get the say. It's their money and they do what they choose with it. That's why fans get ignored and don't get their say.

 

Nice try, but you haven't answered my question. My house and my business are immaterial. I'm not saying the board had no right to give the club away, it did since it owns however many shares. I own none. Fine.

 

But you sidestepped the point that you're all about fans getting one over on the boardroom but MyFC has gained a foothold precisely because the boardroom has sh@t on the fans again.

 

I agree that your board are not treating the fans correctly, I really do but surely you now have a chance to become the board, to rid your club of being treated in that way?

[ItsBusiness]

Originally Posted By: fleetzone

"A lot of the Ebbsfleet fans seem as if they will reject any change good or bad without condidering where it might take them. I think they should feel lucky that this opportunity has come their way and not someone else's."

Oh, we're ever so grateful kind sir, may I wash you feet for you sir!

Utterance

[Stu M]

Originally Posted By: ItsBusiness

I agree that your board are not treating the fans correctly, I really do but surely you now have a chance to become the board, to rid your club of being treated in that way?

But I'm not really buying this "I'm the owner", "I'm the board" PR guff any more than that "my vote really counts" in a general election where my constituency goes to the same party by a landslide every five years. I'm just another face in the crowd... which is only my viewpoint, sure, but I still hold the view that MyFC's creation as Ebbsfleet owner was still carried out by riding roughshod over the fans it stresses it wants to give a voice to.

If there was an open vote, and the Fleet fans backed it, I'd go along with it whatever my feelings as I'd feel it had been done properly. I'll still go to games because I just don't know how to support any other club and I'll still want success, but that doesn't hide the fact that this has been handled badly by, if not MyFC, then those who they have secured it from.

[ItsBusiness]

Originally Posted By: Stu M

Originally Posted By: ItsBusiness

I agree that your board are not treating the fans correctly, I really do but surely you now have a chance to become the board, to rid your club of being treated in that way?

But I'm not really buying this "I'm the owner", "I'm the board" PR guff any more than that "my vote really counts" in a general election where my constituency goes to the same party by a landslide every five years. I'm just another face in the crowd... which is only my viewpoint, sure, but I still hold the view that MyFC's creation as Ebbsfleet owner was still carried out by riding roughshod over the fans it stresses it wants to give a voice to.

If there was an open vote, and the Fleet fans backed it, I'd go along with it whatever my feelings as I'd feel it had been done properly. I'll still go to games because I just don't know how to support any other club and I'll still want success, but that doesn't hide the fact that this has been handled badly by, if not MyFC, then those who they have secured it from.

I agree with you. Personally I signed up for this because I liked the idea, I've read the wisdom of crowds which is the general principle and understand that it can work on the hypothetical level. I had no idea which club would be chosen and it is MYFC who invited clubs to come forward and not the other way around. I believe Myfc is being blamed for something that was ultimatly decided by your two main shareholders. It is they who should be accountable for the way the fans are treated currently. Of course it will be MyFC members who will be accountable to the fans should the take over happen.

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: Stu M

If there was an open vote, and the Fleet fans backed it

Who would get a vote though Stu?

Season ticket holders?
People who turned up to a meeting at Fleet Leisure?
The people who post on here and start every post with 'I wasn't at the game but....'?
Hornchurch fans who have nothing better to do but go on other peoples forums to cause trouble?
Or the people who actually own the club?

[Stu M]

Fair point Slarti, and one I'll admit I have no easy answer for. Yes, I can see the predicament that you can't (until now at least under MyFC!) give every fan a vote. But perhaps at least informing the other shareholders about it rather than at a fait-accompli meeting to come.

 

And I'm still interested as to how the remainder of the shares are going to be acquired should MyFC takes up its 'option' to buy out at 100%.

[Live4ever]

In a word sanity. Most of us are not insane EUFC Fan.

[Del_Boy]

Originally Posted By: Stu M

MyFC has built its first foundation on hypocrisy regardless of whether it elevates us to the Premiership or cures world peace thereafter.

Discuss.

Very valid point.

Would it go some way to remove the hypocrisy if every current season ticket holder was to become a member of MyFC automatically? What other takeover would allow the fans of the club they take over to be consulted on every single issue?

Instead of then seeing it as a takeover by strangers, you have a direct and absolute say in how your club is run.

That is very much giving football back to the fans.

[scarfie]

I hope I don't get shot down by any Ebbsfleet fans, but I'm one of the MyFC 'scumbags' and I just wanted to say hi. I understand the apprehension, especially because a lot of what is specified on MyFC (voting for the team, the price of beer? etc) might or might not happen - or have any influence on the manager at all. All pretty scary.

 

Anyway, I guess that almost all of us signed up through blind faith. We didn't know which club the trust would go for, we just put in our money - not as an investment for ourselves but as an investment for a club. I'd be happy to stump up that money every year if it meant the club would be able to operate and had a better chance of promotion. I also guess that most of us signed up because we're tired of seeing our clubs being taken over by fatcat / showbiz chairmen, or at worst idiots like Ridsdale or Ken Bates.

 

I would say that to be fair to current Ebbsfleet fans, Del_Boy's suggestion of letting season ticket holders automatically become a member would be the right gesture from MyFC.

 

Anyway, at the end of the day, it'll result in more money for EUFC, a fuller stadium, hopefully better chances of promotion and with any luck, it'll be an example to other clubs.

 

And hopefully there'll be no cries of sack the board just yet!