Harry J Allstars Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I thought I’d better inform you all that I have resigned from the Trust Board. After recent comments I thought it would be better given some fans reaction. I don’t want any of you thinking that I have taken this decision lightly, I told the Trust Chairman, Jessica McQueen, at the first game of the season that I had been thinking of resigning anyway because of various reasons, one of those reason was that I couldn’t keep my mouth shut. If I feel passionate about something then I’ll say it and nothing will stand in my way. I feel passionate about a great deal of things, better than just going on what the general consensus is and then agreeing with that, like most of you. The Trust does not agree with my comments and, in actual fact, is very much against them. So anyone that may have been thinking of quitting the Trust based on what I have said is just being silly. It is a pointless act to quit giving money to the trust based on what I have said. It is like not going to see the Fleet simply because I go. Make no mistake about it though this is not an apology for my comments, they are still my opinions. The one comment I made that was naïve and that I apologise for was the one where I said that lets applaud someone who completes a War computer game. War is not a game! People die and some say they are the lucky ones. I’d hate to go to war, so I don’t sign up. I wouldn’t be able to do that as a job. I do play war games on my PS3 and that can be quite nervy, I can only imagine in real life it is about a kerbillion times worse. However none of the objections I received about that post stated that the bit about the computer game was the bit that pissed everyone off. Most of the objections were saying that I was making light of death, err where!?!? Some said I “bet you wouldn’t go on duty in Iraq, I know I wouldn’t.” I’ve just said that I couldn’t do that job, so then I don’t sign up. I bet some people couldn’t do my job. One post even said “So you would be prepared to say this to the face of a widow or to the children of a soldier who had just been killed in Iraq or Afghanistan?” Would you be prepared to stand in front of the victims family’s of the soldiers that were applauded? The soldiers that were applauded would have killed people, I’d like to see you stand in front of those soldiers victims families and tell them that you were willing to applaud their fathers and husbands killers. I know they also know what they’re going into but then it is just the same thing. I know people say they are just Terrorists and they get what they deserve but you have to wonder what makes them Terrorist’s, they are not born that way. The Terrorists have the same mentality as our soldiers in that they are willing to die for what they believe. The bit where the Terrorists step out of line, and makes them different from our boys is when they decide to blow up innocent people to make a political statement. One person said that I should stop and think why our boys sign up coming from a rough background and their home life is tough. Some of you should stop and think what makes the Terrorists do what they do. I neither agree or condone it by the way but you have to think what makes a person do that. I would like to apologise to anyone who was offended by my opinion, even if it has made them do something completely out of character and wrong. However I reiterate my point. I was happy, for want of a better phrase, to stand silent for a minute for some people that died. I would stand still all day long for anyone that was sent to Main Land Europe under conscription in World War One or Two. I would also clap for anyone that fought in that war defending freedom and free speech that is “apparently” granted to me today. However anyone that has joined the army of their own free will, ie not conscription, does so off their own steam. They do the job knowing they could be killed and will probably be shot at. They do not deserve my applause or thanks as they have done nothing for me, only made the Terrorists more angry if anything. So now the Trust has lost a very hard worker and someone that had a talent for selling and coming up with the goods time and time again. There are just about enough people to replace me but time will tell whether or not they can replace me like for like. Of course, if any of you had the time to spare to replace me and do some work then go for it. Although if you do join the Trust board you may have to give up your four pre-match pints and some Sunday afternoons during the summer. I bet most of you couldn’t do it. I'll still go to the Fleet and can be contacted via PM so rather than make this thread another long boring one where we bat insults at each other it would be better that if you have anything to say to me then you say it either to my face or via PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris blanc Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Lord, where to start. I think it's a shame it has come to this, if for no other reason than, as you have said above, the trust has lost a hard worker. I don't know wether this is a case of you being thrown out, or a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face so to speak, but it all could have been avoided, which is the saddest thing about it all in my opinion. Please don't think this is me having a go, it's not personal. I don't dislike you at all, I've never met you face to face and at times find you somewhat amusing, a little like the Hooky of the forum, but less pleasing to kids. You do however, seem to be in the middle of all the arguements on here, it seems to be an almost regular thing to see you leaving this, or taking a break from that. There are a lot of people on here that speak their mind, stick to their guns etc etc. I don't think it's always a case of everyone agreeing with the general consensus as you say, maybe just lots of people disagreeing with you? I do take umbrage at this: "However anyone that has joined the army of their own free will, ie not conscription, does so off their own steam. They do the job knowing they could be killed and will probably be shot at. They do not deserve my applause or thanks as they have done nothing for me, only made the Terrorists more angry if anything." The fact that our soldiers aren't conscripted, and do join of their own free will, makes them just as worthy of applause in my book. They protect us and deserve far more respect than they get. I frankly find your idea that soldiers who fought in WW1 or WW2 deserve more applause than those who have fought since asanine and naive. But then that's just me. Finally, your penultimate paragraph showed a distinct lack of class frankly. If you want to leave, fine, don't try to dissuade others from taking your place. I look at all this and do think it was just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry J Allstars Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: chris blanc "However anyone that has joined the army of their own free will, ie not conscription, does so off their own steam. They do the job knowing they could be killed and will probably be shot at. They do not deserve my applause or thanks as they have done nothing for me, only made the Terrorists more angry if anything." The fact that our soldiers aren't conscripted, and do join of their own free will, makes them just as worthy of applause in my book. They protect us and deserve far more respect than they get. I frankly find your idea that soldiers who faught in WW1 or WW2 deserve more applause than those who have fought since asanine and naive. But then that's just me. The trouble I have with the Soldiers that fight now and out of choice is that this will give the impression to kids that guns are cool and those who use them will be honoured. This is not the same as soldiers in WWI and WWII. We need to make it clear to kids how gruesome war, guns and death can be. By applauding those coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan you just glorify war and guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu M Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars The trouble I have with the Soldiers that fight now and out of choice is that this will give the impression to kids that guns are cool and those who use them will be honoured. This is not the same as soldiers in WWI and WWII. We need to make it clear to kids how gruesome war, guns and death can be. By applauding those coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan you just glorify war and guns. Have to take issue with that Harry. The generations following the soldiers who came back from the world wars were equally open to the 'glorification' of their deeds from everything from war films, action figures, parades, stories of heroism from their grandfathers, etc etc. That's not a modern-day phenomenon. And there were plenty of non-conscripts in the two World Wars too. Every British soldier up to 1916 was a volunteer (albeit one ignorant of the realities of war). At the outbreak of WW2, more than half a million soldiers were volunteers. Does that mean we only applaud those who were conscripted? Surely, by the logic of the above argument, the others were just doing the job they'd signed up for?, same as the blokes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hilaroius,someone retires from a post and you all go on about world war one,nutters. Think you lot need to change your name back,its clearly unsettling you lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris blanc Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: urchin_mentalist Hilaroius,someone retires from a post and you all go on about world war one,nutters. Think you lot need to change your name back,its clearly unsettling you lot. Beats trawling other peoples forums talking $hit I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry J Allstars Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 No Stu, that doesn't mean we only applaud the conscripted. The Soldiers that fought in WWI and WWII were defending us. The conditions were gruesome and they still did it. Not happily but they still did. In the Boar War in the 1800's our soldiers invented Concentration Camps, should we applaud? So I guess what it comes down to is personnal opinion, in which case I'm not the one with the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu M Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: urchin_mentalist Hilaroius,someone retires from a post and you all go on about world war one,nutters. Think you lot need to change your name back,its clearly unsettling you lot. Stick around. You've always struck me as someone who could benefit from an education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 i love your banter,it has me in stitches at times. good gate yesterday,i see the name of ebbsfleet is drawing the crowds in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry J Allstars Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: urchin_mentalist Hilaroius,someone retires from a post and you all go on about world war one,nutters. Think you lot need to change your name back,its clearly unsettling you lot. Have you not read the thread or have you got any idea what it's about? I'd wouldn't expect a thread like this to appear on the Hornchurch forum. At least this thread has so far passed by without "You can be such an idiot sometimes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu M Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: urchin_mentalist good gate yesterday,i see the name of ebbsfleet is drawing the crowds in Must be hard to scour the papers checking our results and attendances with that inferiority complex doing battle with the chip on your shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Yeah you retired from a position within the trust because of amongst other things you made a comment about a computer game!!! Then the ones who have degrees in the wars of the world decide to show everyone what they learnt at uni. I personally wouldn't want a thread like this on the hornchurch forum as it would be somewhat getting away from the process of supporting my local team. Seems to me that this thread has just spun into a knowledge test for the more intelligent gravesend,sorry ebbsfleet fans amongst you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: Stu M Originally Posted By: urchin_mentalist good gate yesterday,i see the name of ebbsfleet is drawing the crowds in Must be hard to scour the papers checking our results and attendances with that inferiority complex doing battle with the chip on your shoulder. What inferiority complex.the last time we played you in a competitive match we won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu M Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: urchin_mentalist What inferiority complex.the last time we played you in a competitive match we won. Sorry, but can't recall the last time I went on your forum and yawned on about your attendance. I can't even remember the last time I was motivated enough to go see what division you were in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry J Allstars Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 Originally Posted By: urchin_mentalist Seems to me that this thread has just spun into a knowledge test for the more intelligent gravesend,sorry ebbsfleet fans amongst you. Even if you were an Ebbsfleet fan you wouldn't win that award. Originally Posted By: urchin_mentalist What inferiority complex.the last time we played you in a competitive match we won. We've never played you in a competative match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 well we are not a conference side.Ryman premier sides naturally tend to get less than conference sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 yeah sorry i forgot,we have never played a side called ebbsfleet before,where are you located again,is it near margate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry J Allstars Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 Gravesnd and Northfleet = Ebbsfleet United. We lost to a team called Hornchurch once. Then they went out of business, there is now some team called AFC Hornchurch, formed in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 wow you amaze me. This comes from the man with so much intelligence he cannot spell the name of his town correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry J Allstars Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 Spelling lessons from a Hornchurch fan, oh the shame. Imagine if someone was to make a typo... Allstars up by two, Mentalist to serve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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