Tonight's Aldershot Thread

[DA11]

Perhaps Harry misheard the announcer and thought he said " Let's put our hands together for someone who got shot in Tierack"

[Hempstead Gaz]

Whatever.

It's a bit thoughtless to make light of those killed on active service.

We have probably all lost somebody close to us through circumstances other than "natural", and it shouldn't be trivialised.

[DA11]

I think you should read Harrys comments again. Harry said he felt it was appropriate for the minutes silence for the poor lad that was killed. He wasn't making light of it.

[kmj]

You have misrepresented what Harry wrote. He said that the minute of silence for the dead soldier was appropriate. So why would it be a problem in stating this to his widow or chilren?

 

Reading the Aldershot programme it is interesting to note that service personnel are allowed concessionary entrance rates to matches. Anyone heard of this applying elsewhere or to other occupational groups (excluding those qualifying as students).

 

Also I note that Reading now play their reserve matches at Aldershot. So where have Chelsea who used to play there moved to?

[Bernard]

No offense, but people die in wars. If you go to war you are increasing the chance you will die. This is a hazard of the job which everyone understands. I will not be going into the army because I don't particularly want to be killed. If someone dies in a war it is certainly a tragedy, but not so much so if the death is that of a soldier who chooses to be there rather than a civilian who has no such choice.

[chris blanc]

I think it is more this bit that has annoyed people

 

"Then after that there was applause for every soldier in the ground, a lot, just for doing their job.

 

Hey this guy came back from Iraq, lets give him a clap. And this guy came back from Afghanistan; let’s also give him a clap. And this bloke just completed Call of Duty 3 on the Xbox 360; let’s also give him a clap. I do my job, I get paid; let’s also give me a clap. They do a job, they get paid."

 

It may just be a job, and they may get paid to do it, and you may not agree with the war they're fighting, but they're there defending us and risking their lives on a daily basis. Most of us don't.

I have no problem with the whole clapping thing for them, especially in a place like Aldershot, which is a huge army town.

 

 

 

[Hempstead Gaz]

What is innapropriate is to make light of what is a serious subject - ie the death of servicemen on duty.

Glib comments about applauding completion of "Tour of Duty" or harry "doing his job" have no place on here.

These are best placed on that revolting Confguide, where libel and foul language are so prevalent.

[StuThompson]

Yeah, I much prefer Conference Forum.co.uk. Much better than that Confguide rubish.

[Harry J Allstars]

Originally Posted By: chris blanc

It may just be a job, and they may get paid to do it, and you may not agree with the war they're fighting, but they're there defending us and risking their lives on a daily basis. Most of us don't.
I have no problem with the whole clapping thing for them, especially in a place like Aldershot, which is a huge army town.

Originally Posted By: David Holden

You seem to have overlooked the fact that whilst you are doing your job, no one is shooting at you.

I appreciate that Chris and David and yes I respect that they are there representing us but I disagree about them defending us. In WWII the boys were defending us, in Iraq they are there for oil.

I suppose what it all comes down to is the reason for going to war in the first place. We went to war in 1939 because Germany were getting dangerously too big for their boots and if they continued in that vain they would have been too big to stop.

I see the war in Iraq as nothing more than an attempt to get as much of the world's oil supply as possible while the Afghanistan war wasn't even thought about until 9/11 happened and has only been fought so that Bush can catch Osama as a trophy like Saddam was.

These soldiers sign up for the army not knowing where they'll be going, it is just a job. I agree it is a far more dangerous job than what I do and I hasten to add that I could never do such a job but it is a job none the less. They sign up knowing the risks, they know they could be killed but they are not asked their political views, they just go. I respect them for doing a very dangerous job but I also respect Police Officers, the Fire service, Ambulance crew etc etc... These people also do a dangerous job and get very little of the recognition.

Originally Posted By: kmj

Also I note that Reading now play their reserve matches at Aldershot. So where have Chelsea who used to play there moved to?

Brentford.

[Hirsty]

Take it that you didn't vote for Blair then ?

 

I do admire you for your great insight into the History of "conflicts" involving the British Forces, even if you are only 23 ish !! Suppose you would give the Falklands to Argentina as well a ?

 

Anyway, a very emotive subject which I will not continue to discuss on this forum, except to say that I think you are talking sh*t and that my golden goal money is now going to the British Legion !!

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Harry J Allstars]

That's your prerogative Hirsty and I'm sorry to hear that you will no longer play Golden Goal just because of my opinion.

 

This thread is a real shame, I talked about it because it was at the football, I didn't think it was appropriate for the presentations to be taking place at the Football, that is all. Had it been an RAF Airshow or something connected with the army then it would have been okay.

 

I reiterate that the minutes silence for the guy that died was appropriate, he came from Aldershot.

 

The applause for the guys to return home was at the football, I didn't think it was necessary and I am entitled to that opinion without being insulted.

 

Chatham Gary goes on day after day about no-one being able to debate things yet as soon as we touch on a subject that's too "emotive" he's the one that flies of the handle with comments like "Sometimes you talk utter sh*t." Coming from you Gary I don't need to tell you how many things are wrong with that. Where do you want me to start? By going through your old posts or by reminding you that you didn’t have a clue what was going on as YOU WERE NOT THERE!?

 

So just like our pathetic support doesn't deserve a Conference team playing at such a high level and some fantastic football at times watching the likes of Charlie Macdonald, Paul McCarthy, Chris McPhee, Ross Smith, Sacha Opinel and Onome Sodje, not to mention the players we play against, neither do we deserve a forum either.

 

Get back to talking about the same old things, "Sky and the BBC don't give us recognition", "let's get a stand at Bluewater to let people know we're here" "Scully is a >insert expletive<" etc... I was simply trying to bring something new to the table.

 

[Andy Y. (G&NFC)]

Actually Harry, if you had bothered to listen to what was going on, the Ceremmony was to celebrate the fact that the Grenadier guards had just come back from a tour of Afghanistan (which doesnt have an awful lot of oil.)

 

The minutes silence wasn't "for a guy that got killed" but for the 6 soldiers who were based at Aldershot before going out and haven't come back as a result of simply doing their job as well as the 60 or so personnel who have been seriously injured while out there. Whether or not you think thats a morally correct thing is your own personal choice..... which is something you should be thankful to have, unlike the poor bastards in places like Iraq and Afghanistan where the local population doesn't get an awful lot of say in the matter.

 

For your information, I have deep misgivings about whats going on out there but thats no reason not to support people who are trying their best to uphold the peace in an amazingly difficult situation.

 

Your comments are not well thought out or sensitive, as there are plenty of us who remember The Falklands (don't get me started on that one!) and closer to home the first Gulf Conflict and Northern Ireland. Plenty of recruits see "joining up" as the only escape from life at home. Why do you think there are so many squaddies from the depressed areas of this "wonderful Country" of ours.

 

Aldershit is a massive garrison town and is rightly proud of its links with the Army and good luck to them for it. That said its still a dump with oafish supporters several of whom didn't seem to respect the minutes silence which must be an embarrassment to the club.

 

Just stay off the politics Harry or you may find Hirsty looking out for you one dark, rainy night!

 

[Hempstead Gaz]

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

Chatham Gary goes on day after day about no-one being able to debate things yet as soon as we touch on a subject that's too "emotive" he's the one that flies of the handle with comments like "Sometimes you talk utter sh*t." Coming from you Gary I don't need to tell you how many things are wrong with that. Where do you want me to start? By going through your old posts or by reminding you that you didn’t have a clue what was going on as YOU WERE NOT THERE!?

So just like our pathetic support doesn't deserve a Conference team playing at such a high level and some fantastic football at times watching the likes of Charlie Macdonald, Paul McCarthy, Chris McPhee, Ross Smith, Sacha Opinel and Onome Sodje, not to mention the players we play against, neither do we deserve a forum either.

Get back to talking about the same old things, "Sky and the BBC don't give us recognition", "let's get a stand at Bluewater to let people know we're here" "Scully is a >insert expletive<" etc... I was simply trying to bring something new to the table.

Some cheap shots there Harry. Why twist my arguements to suit your failing debate. This, unlike your favoured domain of Confguide (or whatever it is called now) is a football forum, to discuss and debate things Fleet and Fleet related.
Our proximity to Bluewater and the Scally's previous intentions to build next to Fleet render them fair game for comment.
Denigrating and belittling fallen soldiers not only lost you the debate, but also some friends.
it was innapropriate to broaden the debate on here, suffice to give an answer to the original question, ie what was the "soldier thing at half time?!

[eufckev]

Here we go again...............................

 

Yawn!

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: Chatham Gary

Scally's previous intentions to build next to Fleet render them fair game for comment.

What intentions are those then?

[Hempstead Gaz]

Put simply, he touted the idea of a stadium in Northfleet.

When he realied public opinion, both from fleet and Gillingham, together with non co-operation from gravesham council, he cthen chose to relocate in Medway.

The most likely spot now seems to be on the Lower Road, not far from Gillingham Marina./Chatham Docks.

[Harry J Allstars]

Thank you for replying Andy, at least you can hold a conversation without resorting to swearing or insults.

 

First of all can we get off the subject of the Falklands, I never brought that up and don't really have a clue what went on there and to be honest am not all that interested. Don't try to turn this on me, I'm just not interested, like most people that weren't born at the time.

 

Whether or not it was the Grenadier Guards returning still doesn't, in my opinion (that's the important bit), make it worthy of a ceremony at the Football. But that's life I'm afraid.

 

And just before anyone starts I would stand and clap all day for a WWI or WWII veteran. I would also have a minutes silence for anyone that dies anywhere. Whether it's some bloke who gets shot in the army or if it's someone dying of a Heroin overdose, a lose of a human life is a very sad thing and not to be taken lightly. I lost someone very close to me recently so know that however someone dies it is very sad to all involved. Especially someone that has probably left a wife and young family at home. For the minutes silence I stood and thought about the person that I lost, although I was also eating my hot dog at the time.

 

Now I'm off to run over some old ladies or something.

[Harry J Allstars]

Originally Posted By: Chatham Gary

Some cheap shots there Harry.

Yep, from you. Whether you thought my comments were inappropriate you had no right to insult me. Once you do that to me you're fair game.

Originally Posted By: Chatham Gary

Why twist my arguments to suit your failing debate.

Err you did. I clearly said in my original post that the minutes silence was appropriate, you twisted that, and I have proof, to make me out to be some sort of monster.

Originally Posted By: Chatham Gary

This, unlike your favoured domain of Confguide (or whatever it is called now) is a football forum, to discuss and debate things Fleet and Fleet related.
Our proximity to Bluewater and the Scally's previous intentions to build next to Fleet render them fair game for comment.

You miss the point. I was saying that we talk about the same things everyday. Scully's a [****!!****] and I want to improve our attendances and help the club financially you just use the same arguements again and again.

Originally Posted By: Chatham Gary

Denigrating and belittling fallen soldiers not only lost you the debate, but also some friends.
it was inappropriate to broaden the debate on here, suffice to give an answer to the original question, ie what was the "soldier thing at half time?!

And there’s the proof I was talking about earlier. Show me where I was belittling fallen soldiers. Any "friend's" I've lost because of this were not worth having anyway.

To anyone that's bored of this I can only apologise, but while Gary continues to drag the good name of Harry J Allstars through the mud then I shall continue to defend myself. I would happily continue this debate through PM or in person or not at all.

So Gary in answer to your post from about a month ago "Are folks getting bored with the forum", yes and it's because of you.

[Slartibartfast]

You mean he made a few noises about leaving so he could get what he wanted from the council. They new he wasn't serious about relocating, he knew he couldn't relocate without losing his fanbase but a few people who should know better read a story in the local rag and believed it.

 

[Hempstead Gaz]

I actually he was more serious than people gave him credit for. He wanted to tap into Ebbsfllet, and all that entails. Which football chairman wouldn't. I have no doubt that Mr Varney at Charlton will want to nab some of the fans as well.