message to phil wallace and co......

[coach et 64]

In the last few weeks i followed with interest the Conference chiefs campaign to secure protection for the youngsters brought through by clubs outside the football league.It is a move first championed by Stevenage chairman Phil Wallace,who highlighted the unfairness of league clubs being able to poach for free Conference players under 17 years of age-who,unlike their higher ranked peers,cannot be contracted.Now dear Phil,is all good but WHAT ABOUT JUNIOR CLUBS AND CLUBS OUTSIDE THE CONFERENCE?Sure, that dedicated coach or parent working unpaid for that junior club or that step 3-4-5 club that gave him a chance of first team football,nurturing him through his first years of football,should be rewarded in some ways,shouldn't they?

Now, for example,how it works at the moment,Stevenage could come for any of our youngsters and take them for nothing,unless they are contracted and that applies for any non-league club(ESL,RYM).

Here an example of how it works in Italy:

PARAMETER PENULTIMATE LAST ONLY

NON LEAGUE CLUB CLUB CLUB

JUNIOR LEAGUES £ 444 0,40 0,60 1

STEP6-7 £ 444 0,80 1,20 2

STEP 5 £ 444 1,30 1,70 3

STEP 4 £ 444 1,70 2,30 4

STEP 3 £ 444 2,00 3,00 5

CONFERENCE £ 444 2,50 3,50 6

 

PROFESSIONALS PARAMETER

LEAGUE 2 £ 888 3,30 4,70 8

LEAGUE 1 £ 888 4,50 6,50 11

CHAMPIONSHIP £ 888 6,50 8,50 15

PREMIER LEAGUE £ 888 7,50 10,50 18

 

Basically lads,any youth or junior player that moves to another club,the club that holds his registration might ask a preparation bonus to the new club and this reward will be set by the FA at the beginning of every season with a parameter and numerical coefficient that varies according inflation,cost of living,level of the club.

EXAMPLE N.1:

Daniel B. is required by Dagenham & Red.Hullbridge is a step 5 club and the daggers are a league 2.£ 888 ARE MULTIPLIED BY THE NUMERICAL COEFFICIENT WHICH IS 8 FOR A LEAGUE 2 CLUB.SO THE DAGGERS WILL HAVE TO PAY HULLBRIDGE SOMETHING LIKE £ 7104 PLUS A 35% PENALTY EQUIVALENT TO £ 2486 AND THE TOTAL WILL BE £ 9590.tHE PENULTIMATE CLUB THE PLAYER PLAYED FOR WHICH IS STAMBRIDGE MIGHT GET £ 2930 OUT OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT.(3,30 OUT OF COEFFICIENT 8)

In doing so every club is rewarded in a fair way and the clubs are encorauged to look after their youth sectors.I MEAN EVERY CLUB!

[Uncle Urchin]

total bollox....

 

pour a glass of wine and watch the rugby...

[coach et 64]

the figures are obviously in Euros but i believe is a good way to safeguard non league and junior clubs interests.For example according those figures Concord should have paid £ 500 to hullbridge for G.O and £ 350 to Whitecaps(penultimate club in the last 3 years) but if they sell him to a pro-club they might make 15-20 times more the amount they paid for him(£10000-20000) and everybody is the winner...and is young British beef

[T.A.F.K.A.M 9]

and then teams will decide they don't want a player because they don't want to pay and the player will stay at hullbridge great for the player

[cider]

Is`nt the reward seeing a player you may or may not have had a small input in his development going on to play at the highest level that he can,and what would the money be used for?Chances are that if you get him at 16 how much do you think you can devlop him in a short space of time to deserve a reward and i mean no disrepect but would he not be at a bigger club in the first place if he was a player.

[Beachboys]

Ha Ha ! You got the £5 we agreed !

[Sixy]

No chance Coach ! it would just stop the player going and even getting a chance with a higher club.

 

Your young lads are not bad, but i would not give you fck all money for them, i`d go direct to them and ask them to leave hullbridge then sign them a week later on £10 a week.

Would save the Boss man is money.

[coach et 64]

Originally Posted By: CRFC Social

Ha Ha ! You got the £5 we agreed !

ha ha thank you On a serious note,i didn't explain myself properly.Obviously the italian scenario is slightly different:clubs pay coaches,invest time,effort and resources on that player and don't want that to be wasted if another club comes in to poach the player that is under 17 years old.The Stevenage example,a club at the top of non league pyramid,is clearly the same as the italian clubs but what i'm talking about are the clubs at step 3-4-5-6-7 and junior.They simply are not protected!For example,you can take any of our youngsters for nothing and might be selling them a few months later to a league club for thousands of pounds.What our club gets for looking after the youngster?Nought :)In other countries those clubs that invest in youth are protected,encouraged and rewarded.Mr Wallace,the Stevenage chairman is campaigning about this but should remember from where that 12 years old player that he signed for his so called Academy comes from?He comes from a junior club where with limited resources and plenty of hard work, coaches and parents were important in helping the player through his formative years.Formative years,dear Cider that are as important as those 3 years(15-18)in the full development of the player.In countries like Italy there are junior clubs that work in conjuntion with bigger clubs and rely every year in selling 2-3 players to pro clubs.They invest money in well prepared coaches,proper facilities and get sponsors to dress the players with virtually everything,from a towel to a nice club suit.

[coach et 64]

Originally Posted By: cider

Is`nt the reward seeing a player you may or may not have had a small input in his development going on to play at the highest level that he can,and what would the money be used for?Chances are that if you get him at 16 how much do you think you can devlop him in a short space of time to deserve a reward and i mean no disrepect but would he not be at a bigger club in the first place if he was a player.

Take the Stevenage case Cider.They had that boy for 5 years,paid for his coaching and all the rest(chairmen know what i mean) and a pro club comes and take him away for nothing just before they can put him on a contract.That player goes and play for a premiership club and the league 2 club get £ 250000!What Stevenage gets for?Zilch What they say:these things happen only in England!sure Stevenage should get a fair quote of that money

[Kaiser Jnr]

You could go forever with stuff like this though Coachie?

 

What about the clubs the said youngster might have played for even at a younger age?

 

Beckham played for Brimsdown Rovers when he was younger. Should they receive some of his fortune / transfer fee for times he has been transfered?

 

Im afraid its down to the clubs to put clauses in contracts so they receive some form of money should the player move on.

 

e.g - Darren Bent moves for £16.5 million to Spurs. Ipswich get £1.65 million (10%)!!!

 

Anybody wanna buy Darren Bent off us?

[coach et 64]

Of course in an ideal world where rules are dictated by the FA,Ridgeway rovers should have got a bit of cash for him.The same as that tiny little club you played for when you was shorter than you are now they should have got some monkeys in exchange for you Darren Bent is [****!!****] and overrated,the same as Defoe.Berbatov and Keane are the masters and together cost less than Darren Bent!

[Hookey]

Sorry to be picky but it was Ridgeway Rovers, point well made though and I concur entirely.

 

Also, what about the youngsters that got bombed and then went on to prove everyone wrong, ala Michael Kightly!!!! Clubs can't have it both ways, eh Tilly!!!

[coach et 64]

Basildon utd should have got something out of it,for picking the boy up when the spurs gays got it wrong! Hey Steve can't get everything right in football at least....

[coach et 64]

Originally Posted By: cider

Is`nt the reward seeing a player you may or may not have had a small input in his development going on to play at the highest level that he can,and what would the money be used for?Chances are that if you get him at 16 how much do you think you can devlop him in a short space of time to deserve a reward and i mean no disrepect but would he not be at a bigger club in the first place if he was a player.

and what would the money be used for??? you definitely don't know what difference £ 1000-2000 can make to a junior club or even a club at our level....

[coach et 64]

Originally Posted By: cider

Is`nt the reward seeing a player you may or may not have had a small input in his development going on to play at the highest level that he can,and what would the money be used for?Chances are that if you get him at 16 how much do you think you can devlop him in a short space of time to deserve a reward and i mean no disrepect but would he not be at a bigger club in the first place if he was a player.

"and i mean no disrepect but would he not be at a bigger club in the first place if he was a player."
yeah,go and ask michael kightly,dj campbell and all the rest.....

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: coach et 64

Originally Posted By: cider

Is`nt the reward seeing a player you may or may not have had a small input in his development going on to play at the highest level that he can,and what would the money be used for?Chances are that if you get him at 16 how much do you think you can devlop him in a short space of time to deserve a reward and i mean no disrepect but would he not be at a bigger club in the first place if he was a player.

"and i mean no disrepect but would he not be at a bigger club in the first place if he was a player."
yeah,go and ask michael kightly,dj campbell and all the rest.....

the players that the right honourable gentleman from dagoville refers to were actually all attached to LC's before entering NL....

[coach et 64]

obviously Kightly and dj campbell are a slightly different case from the stevenage one,where that player has been brought up through the youth ranks.What i'm trying to say is that lower clubs that intend to invest in youth and produce players should be helped the same as a league club.It's the bottom of the pyramid and is where every professional footballer has moved his first steps in football.It's the grass roots and is the majority of the milions of players playing football in the country.As Winston said:a case where few of them owe it to the majority...

[Uncle Urchin]

just as a matter of interest coachie and being serious for a mo...I tend to agree with your principles...

 

but that's in a perfect footie world and sadly we don't live in one...results count and young talent is slaughtered on the altar of managerial survival...potentially brilliant young players who are slow to adapt and develope are discarded and ady akinbyas flourish...

 

it won't change mate...

[Michael Hunt]

.......players like Dan Trenkel you mean ?

[coach et 64]

and we have to import the Zola,Tevez and co when the talent out there is in abundance... :)When people talk about the brazilians,the italians,the argentinians skills and all that,it makes me laugh.I have seen players at 9 or 10 ten years old in this country with plenty of creativity,skills to match any brazilian and then you see them at 17 and they are no wiser than when they were 10! you're right i doubt it will ever change