Smoking Ban

[Greg_Dyke]

11 days to go !

 

Has anyone thought of increasing the tar, nicotine and toxins in cigarettes...that would surely make a few more wavering smokers think about giving up....

[Hempstead Gaz]

It would definately reduce the number of old smokers!!!

[Greg_Dyke]

Maybe all smokers in football grounds, should be forced to wear flourescent pink hi-vis jackets, during games, with SMOKER written upon them....

 

[Stu B]

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1

I don't smoke, and can't for the life of me understand why smoking is banned in open areas!

Who's saying it's banned in open areas?It's only banned in enlcosed or partially covered areas shirley?

[Stu M]

Originally Posted By: chilled out entertainer

smokers pay more in taxes directly through buying cigarettes over many years than they cost to the NHS in their lifetime

That's very generous of them. Another couple of quid on fags, and we won't need an NHS, the smokers can pay for our health insurance.

[chilled out entertainer]

i was trying to make the point that one of the main arguments people come up with when poo pooing smokers is that they cost the nhs a fortune, and in reality they dont. its like a helath savings plan in a way. 5 pound a day or something, to be reclaimed at a later date!!

[Stu M]

Originally Posted By: chilled out entertainer

i was trying to make the point that one of the main arguments people come up with when poo pooing smokers is that they cost the nhs a fortune, and in reality they dont. its like a helath savings plan in a way. 5 pound a day or something, to be reclaimed at a later date!!

Ah stats, don't you just love 'em...

Point is (and I don't know the answer), this mystical "what the smoker costs the NHS"... is this just in traditional 'smoking diseases' such as lung cancer treatment, or also all associated illnesses/conditions such as bronchitis, hypertension, infertility, cataracts, ulcers, etc etc...

A stat can be skewed either way to support either argument, and I doubt whether the taxes raised by smokers' kind contributions to the economy find their way in their entirety to the NHS.

[Hirsty]

Anyway....back to Dave's question....I took the liberty of e-mailing the club with a few questions that I had, one of which was the smoking policy, and received a very prompt response....

 

Re Smoking :-

 

All enclosed areas will be Non smoking ie. Social club, Turnstiles, Club shop, Boardroom, Main stand, etc. Smoking will still be allowed in open/partially covered areas.

 

Cheers,

 

 

[Slartibartfast]

I hope that doesn't include the wooden stand.

[kmj]

There are 5 sets of regulations coming into force. Perhaps of most importance to EUFC will be The Smoke-Free (Premises and Enforement) Regulations 2006. This defines "enclosed" and "substantially enclosed" premises. The latter group applies to premises if they have a ceiling or roof and less than half of their perimeter consists of openings in the walls, other than windows, doors or openings which can be shut. A roof incidentally can be a fixed or moveable structure.

 

I think that you will find that the wooden stand is covered by separate fire hazard regulations. Allowing smoking in this stand would be, post Bradford and Kings Cross disasters, unimaginable.

[Jeff]

So then. Does that mean that the area outside the bar and at both corners of the Plough End are OK?

[BustaGut]

Not being a expert in these matters, I would have thought the ground maybe either totally non smoking, or will have desinated areas, to alieviate any confusion as to where or where not smoking is allowed.

[Hirsty]

I would assume so, as the key phrase seems to be "enclosed public space/area". The areas you mention are not enclosed so should be ok. However, it would be simpler if the whole ground was non smoking rather than you could smoke in one place, but if you move 6 feet ( or less !) then you can't....but that's life I suppose. Should be fun from Sunday onwards !

 

Cheers,

 

[Jeff]

I can vision that Craig the steward is training his hit squad already!

[Stu B]

Times article

 

Sounds to me like you'd still be able to smoke in some areas,think the half way liners for example could still have a smoke;

 

Quote:

Premises will be considered “substantially enclosed” if they have a ceiling or roof, but have an opening in the walls, which is less than half the total area of the walls. The area of the opening does not include doors, windows or any other fittings that can be opened or shut.

[Gordon T]

Maybe, I heard recently that football grounds were included in the ban. When listing places definately banned they said resurants, bars, cafes, football grounds

[jc]

Interestingly, Telford seem to think the new law means smoking has to be banned in their covered terraces. Those that have been there, though, will know their terraces (even the two with roofs) are hardly enclosed sheds, and so could be defined as 'non-substantially enclosed' under the new rules.

[Hempstead Gaz]

As with all private companies, do the owners not reserve the right to admit whom they like, but also to remove from the premises those they do not want? (I'm thinking on the lines of drunks, rowdy behaviour, foul abusive and racist language.... and also now smoking.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Just another wedge against personal freedoms.......................And I'm not a smoker!

[Stu M]

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1

Just another wedge against personal freedoms...

Depends on how you're defining personal freedoms though, AFF. Heard someone on the telly point out that it was once a personal freedom to chuck your sh!t out of a top-floor window and shout 'gardez-loo' to passers-by below until that was outlawed by the government.

Who knows, in years to come smoking may be seen as equally unsociable... times change!