AFC Wimbledon

[michael]

Really feel they deserve the points deduction now.

 

Others in a full time job are responsible for their actions and errors.

 

You can't just walk away from responsibility.

 

Disgraceful thatits over-ruled.

 

Seems that the Ryman are not going to pursue though-guess have not got the funds ;and i guess the team finishing behind AFC willl not have the funds to make a legal challenge either

[SteveB]

This really does beg the question....

The FA agreed that the League acted correctly in the deduction of 18 points based on the rule over playing inelligible players found in the rule book. But then they over-rule them and reduce it to 3 points.

 

How is this possible? If the FA agree that the Ryman League acted correctly then they should back them not over-rule them. The Secretary etc of the Ryman League must be absolutely fuming as they cannot enforce the rules that they have set, in black and white for all their member clubs, without the FA changing the rules when it suits.

 

Steve

[SteveB]

Just as a side note.....the thought of finishing out of the play-offs against a side that broke the rules but got let-off by the FA is already starting to wind me up!

Fair enough, generally, if they were to finish with more points than us then they deserve the place but the fact is that they broke the rules and the punishment for that is known to them prior to the start of the season. For such a club with massive media hype and a seemingly professional approach to everything then if they mess up then they should pay the price.

Steve

[michael]

Iwas equally seething when i read the statement; but thinking about it more, have to concede that frankly, we only have ourselves to blame.

10 games and just eight points just squandered it.

 

still three points today, and you never say never .

 

 

[RamsgateMICK]

We broke a RULE and we were removed from the cup,i would be very embarrassed as a supporter of my team if there were any way we could continue in the cup(ie appeal and win ) but if we come sixth are all the wimbledon supporters going to be embarrassed because they know it should of been us instead of them,this argument is starting to wind me up because i feel it has opened a can of worms

[Tony_T]

There just doesnt seem to be any consistency anymore Mick - that winds me up more than anything!!!

[RamsgateMICK]

this one is going to run for years tony

[margateshot]

Could it have prepared the path for West Ham only recieving a 3 point deduction in the Premiership in the same week?

[Chris1]

What annoys me is people going on about 'rules are rules' when if it was their own club they would be singing about how the draconian punishment didn't fit the crime. Sorry mates, that is hypocrisy.

 

In fact it strikes me most of that gang only want the big points deduction because it happened to AFC Wimbledon, who are disliked in some quarters for being a 'fans club'.

 

Stop being two-faced and own up if that is the case. Say you want different rules for AFCW because you don't like them. Don't lie about it, saying you want them treated just like everyone else, when it is obvious you don't.

 

And don't bang on about Altrincham when you know the deduction made no difference to their season whatsoever. Or about deductions for going into administration, which is a fair and established rule.

 

Can anyone make a case for the ICC form being so important that a club omitting to complete it should stand to lose every point gained in a season? Answer: NO.

 

When that question was asked on another thread it all went quiet.

 

And by the way, Margate supporters, what will you be saying if (for example) it turns out Pinnock's date of birth is filled in wrong on his registration form, therefore making him an 'ineligible player'? Subtract 62 points? I don't think so. Get real.

[Ian_Sanderson]

Chris good post

[Chris1]

Originally Posted By: Ian_Sanderson

Chris good post

Oh God, the most reviled person on the forum agrees with me. That's it, I am going down the pub and not wasting any more valuable drinking time!

[Cookie]

Chris,you keep repeating yourself (like me occasionally I'm sure). The thing is it hasn't happened to us therefore I cant see where or why it is that you feel some are being two faced by making the assumption that some are against it happening for us yet believe it to be right for AFC.It just dosen't wash & isnt factual.Until such times as it has occurred to us then all I am hearing are peoples opinions for & against the Wimbledon decision & in nearly every opinion there seems to me to be some good points made from both sides,including yours.

I for one thought 18 points was too severe,after all the other punishments they had already recieved,in fact,in the first instance I was surprised they got ANY points deducted as I thought a large fine would have sufficed, taking all other punishments into consideration.

However the decision had been made & it must be added that they WERE guilty,they acknowleged that fact,& the Ryman DID act in accordance with the rules in their punishment of such & the decision WAS made to deduct the 18 points,but for the FA to overule & to do so by such a whopping 15 points seems absurd. Surely a 9 point drop down to 9 points would have been fairer all round,not only to AFC but to the administrators of the Ryman league & most certainly to those clubs(including ours) who have kept to within the rules.

I cant see the need to keep on about some supposedly saying one thing for them & another for us as it hasn't been the case. No doubt if the same occurred to us we probably WOULD be screaming about it as being unfair but for now that hasn't been the case.

No,I cant see where anyone who has given an opinion on this has been two faced in anyway whatsoever.

At the end of the day the decision has been made,they won their case except for a 3 point reduction & nothing we say can now can alter that regardless of the different opinions offered.

[OldIsthmian]

Originally Posted By: RamsgateMICK

We broke a RULE and we were removed from the cup,i would be very embarrassed as a supporter of my team if there were any way we could continue in the cup(ie appeal and win ) but if we come sixth are all the wimbledon supporters going to be embarrassed because they know it should of been us instead of them,this argument is starting to wind me up because i feel it has opened a can of worms

No we won't be embarrassed because we'll know we secured at least 3 more points than you without ever playing a player who wasn't available to play in a game (Darlington could have had ITC well before he ever played). I think exclusion from your County Cup is harsh, a replay without the player who really shouldn't have been playing would be fairer.

Anyway its immaterial as Ramsgate will finish seventh at best.

[RamsgateMICK]

thanks for your optimism i hope we prove you wrong

[TRS]

Ramsgate Mick, we were also removed from the county cup as well as being removed from the FA Trophy (and having to repay prize money from an earlier round). So together with a 3 point deduction (which could cost us the title or a play-off place depending on how things go), it's hard to see how we got off scot free.

[Tony_T]

Because you broke the rules and were not punished in accordance!!! How much simpler do you want it?

[SteveB]

Originally Posted By: Chris1

And by the way, Margate supporters, what will you be saying if (for example) it turns out Pinnock's date of birth is filled in wrong on his registration form, therefore making him an 'ineligible player'? Subtract 62 points? I don't think so. Get real.

Personally Chris I would accept the punishment as it is clearly laid out in the rules. I would still be fuming but that would be aimed at whoever at Margate FC made the error not at the Ryman League for punishing it.
Remember when we won promotion to the Conference and there was talk of an unpaid tax bill stopping us going up?
At that point I had no qualms with the Conference, Southern League, FA or Inland Revenue if it had been the case. If this had happened then any punishment would have been because of the club not anyone else.
Some people can see past the rose tinted glassses and accept that if their club makes a mistake then they deserve to be punished.
Steve

[RamsgateMICK]

just heard on the radio,JIMMY WARD the RAMSGATE manager has been offered the ENGLAND job but has had to turn it down due to the SCOTTISH FA not being able to determine whether he needed INTERNATIONAL CLEARANCE ,he realised he would be braking a rule if he took it on

[AncientBlue]

Originally Posted By: RamsgateMICK

just heard on the radio,JIMMY WARD the RAMSGATE manager has been offered the ENGLAND job but has had to turn it down due to the SCOTTISH FA not being able to determine whether he needed INTERNATIONAL CLEARANCE ,he realised he would be braking a rule if he took it on

Don't see why there should be a problem, Mick.
We've already got a mob of Jocks running the bloody country, why not a jock running the England team. At least he'd put a bit of fire in their bellies.

[michael]

I now read in the NLP this morning that the League committee was SPLIT over their appeal decision.

 

Makes it even worse to take again