Dolton, Williams and Pullman

[bigtw]

Luke Williams and Pullman Signed for Faversham yesterday so 2 more local lads lost because their not getting a chance.

 

Dan Dolton off to Deal Town. Who next ?

 

I just think this is becoming a trend and I cant see this changing.

 

 

We will end up with no local lads again.

 

Whats your opinion on this subject ?

[margateshot]

To do well in this league you have to have quality players. That means that you have to sign them from where you can. There is no way that the club can use local players if they are not up to it. Ramsgate keep going on about playing local talent but look at them, they have faded lately and will probably still end up a mid table team. If the local players are not there how can you play any. Although the local players who came in yesterday gave a lot of effort they were still very naive in their play. It is a fact that all the good players live and work in London and around the london area.

[teamster]

yes but the we are going we will also be mid table so I dont think the argument stands up. We may as well be mid table with local players as out of the playoffs with high paid out of towners.Ithink the net game will tell when we hav most of our suspended players back.If they dont do the buisness we cannot blame the local lads who have came in and I am sure tried their best for our recent failings.

[Gumps]

as a manager trott has a responsibility to play his best 11 and also to produce home grown talent-the more players you build the less you spend buying players.if the local lads were good enough then trott would not of let them go.

[Pagey]

i think that having decent local players is a must. Ramsgate have done very well with the players that they have

 

We must also play our best players, which seems to mostly exclude the local lads.

 

All football players want to do is play footy, so I don't blame the three players for wanting to go elsewhere. They aren't playing for the first team, the reserves aren't playing much so they go and play for another team, fair enough

 

I just hope that they were treated well at Margate and that they hold the gate in high esteem

 

[Chris1]

We are at least trying to bring on local talent with our youth set-up. That's a big advance over recent seasons. It will take time though.

 

The higher up the pyramid, the fewer local players you see. Look at the premiership and you won't even find too many English players, let alone local. If we are going to be pushing for a league place in a few years' time, we won't be doing it with a team of Margate lads. If we can develop one or two it will be a good result.

[bigtw]

Margateshot thats all well and good in an ideal world but what if we had no local lads yesterday and the likes of Baggley, Wisker and smith had left we would have only had 9 players on the pitch.

 

So local players are not needed ?

 

we have produced some outstanding talent over the last 5 or 6 years down in thanet and its all been wasted due to not being given a chance. Ramsgate have noticed this and over the last 5 years the good talent has gone there and been given a chance, because of that they are not far behind Margate now.

 

So not all good players live and work in london I think its getting the mixture right.

 

[Gumps]

the attitude of the younger players has to be right. They cant expect to go straight into the first team but to be patient and to learn of the more experienced players.

there is another reason why they might have gone, three less players to pay?

[Tony_T]

Think we are trying to run before we can walk with regards to 'local' talent. This season has seen the re-emergence of the reserve and Under-XX teams - this is where we can nurture our local lads. Remember, CK was not a big fan of these whereas Trotty is - but good talent cannot be grown in one season. I agree with Chris1 - it will take time so people, have some patience!!

[Tony_T]

Originally Posted By: Gumps

the attitude of the younger players has to be right. They cant expect to go straight into the first team but to be patient and to learn of the more experienced players.
there is another reason why they might have gone, three less players to pay?

Agree Gumps - money may well have been a deciding factor. Too many postponements have cost the club financially - we don't want to lose another 10 points now do we?!!

[wenger]

Iam glad we are now talking about the set up that is in Margate.

These local players have to travel to London twice a week for training and for their efforts sit on the bench week in week out.

Even when killing the opposition early in the year these same players sat on the bench. Look at Danny Allen the latest to go up and down to London to warm the bench. He now has not had a game for months. Wisker when the hell is he going to play when all the team are suspended? Trott I'm afraid only uses his golden 13-14 players even if it means playing them out of position. I'm sure if the two goalkeepers were injured he would put Saunders in goal.

Why cant the first team train at Margate once a week with most of the reserves so everyone is on the same wavelength. The local lads then feel part of the squad and not just making up the numbers. Ramsgate have done well and should be congratulated on using local players. Next year they will be stronger and may even be in the top 6.Good luck to them.

The nurturing of the local players should have been one of priorities this year. What have we seen most leave. The squad website now has more players playing for other clubs than Margate which says it all really.

By the way how did the reserves get on? Mind you does anyone in management care??

[bigtw]

Reserves drew 1-1 Wenger

[wenger]

Any good performances of note?

Would the manager like to make comments about the game?

Lets generate a bit of togetherness for the local players

[P.W.]

What I don't like to see (and CK did this all the time too), is we have relatively unblooded youngsters on the bench and they know they have a very small chance of playing. Five minutes here and there will boost their confidence no end. Yesterday Wisker repaid their faith in him with a nice performance, but Trotty was having a 'mare and you knew unless he was injured he'd stay on - leaving Donovan doing warm-ups in vain.

[margateshot]

I think that Tony T is right in saying that we cannot run before we can walk. The reserves set up is new so we haven't had the players coming through the ranks, unlike Ramsgate. I fully support local talent, but as said earlier, it has to be of a standard that we need to win the Ryman Premier and even Conf South. Playing Bagley and Whisker yesterday can only help them but as I said earlier their play was sometimes "Naive". Would you play them instead of Protheroe, McKimm etc? I don't think so.

[bigtw]

Margateshot no I probably would'nt play them infront of Provs or Mckimm but I would use them for the last 25minutes or so if the team were'nt performing. I'm not desputing that these lads need patience, but when you travel to bloody dartford and bexley heath every week for training and constantly told your get a start this week and you sit there for the whole game watching players not performing and 4 players out susspended or injured and still they dont try you for the last 5 min just to maybe get something out the game with nothing to lose it is totally soul destroying.

 

You try it sometime and see how quickly your patience runs thin.

 

The facts are not one of these fringe players have come in and played and let the side down. In fact quite the opposite. Dolton came in with rave reviews then the next game he played was 6 games later with no match inbetween so he was not totally match fit with all hes proud family in the stands at HDP and us the fans slaged him off because he looked Knacked after 25 minutes I sat there with Craig Tucker who said to me he wanted to look at Doltons performance because he had heard rave reviews on the forum, Within 20 minutes all we heard were so called wanabe manager shouting abuse at the poor lad in full earshot of hes family. I wonder why hes looked elsewhere?

 

Wisker played he's last first team game against Whitstable and came on for provs who wasnt performing that day and we were down 1-0. as the threads at the time said he change the game got stuck in in mid-field and played really well we won 2-1 so prehaps that day your point about playing provs or wisker are wrong.

 

Smith has played several games starting and in paticular on Saturday was put out of possition on the left had a resonable game but should have stayed on and Trotty should have come off, Wisker came on in the middle of the park with Jay and all of a sudden the team looked more balanced.

 

Baggley has come in recently and even won MOM so again a good young lad who has done hes job.

 

So really your points dont ring true the simple facts are you need a balance of seasoned players with a good youth policy these lads need to be played more, even if its for the last 10 mins especially when we are losing and they might just give us the little bit extra to get back the game.

 

We could also do without Mike F basicly saying the fringe players are not good enough for him or Margate, As per he,s after match interview. What message has that sent out to Smith, Wisker, Baggley and even Donavan. If I was one of those players i'd tell him to stick the club up his [****!!****] and go on to pastures new.

 

Just my opinion

[rayw]

Originally Posted By: margateshot

I think that Tony T is right in saying that we cannot run before we can walk. The reserves set up is new so we haven't had the players coming through the ranks, unlike Ramsgate. I fully support local talent, but as said earlier, it has to be of a standard that we need to win the Ryman Premier and even Conf South. Playing Bagley and Whisker yesterday can only help them but as I said earlier their play was sometimes "Naive". Would you play them instead of Protheroe, McKimm etc? I don't think so.

If the club wants long term success it needs to rely less on players from London and North Kent who are not good enough for the likes of Gravesend and Welling etc. But at a combination of local talent and better quality players from further afield. No disrepscet to protheroe and mckimm they are both decent players but they are journeymen. Hopefully they will be in a promotion winning side this season.But the club can not afford to turn their back on local players for a team full of Gravesend cast offs.
It really does not help the club to attract local fans if their are so few local players.

People saying that you have to sign london players cos there going to be better. Are wrong in both the short term as there are a good few players playing at a higher level than the gate who come from East Kent, and in the long term if players dont get the chance,fewer are going to make it thru to a higher level via Deal or Herne Bay etc..

[Dutch_Mike]

bigtw, I have to say: what a fantastic post. I'm not a fan of all this 'oh you HAVE to have local players in the team' lark but if we have them (which we clearly do), why not use them? From what I've seen, we have a few promising youngsters. Bagley, without a doubt; Smith, certainly has not looked out of his depth at times; and Wisker, as you mention, put in a solid performance against Whitstable. OK, it's granted that they can't start ahead of players such as Proths or Macca etc. But, especially at this time when we are desperately thin in terms of back-up, why not try them in their favoured position?

Further to this, in the past when we have been losing and certain players have clearly not been 'up for it', why has Trotty not introduced the youngsters to add a little spice to the team? If some of our 'stars' realised their placed wasn't guaranteed, maybe that would be the kick up the backside they need, and we would have wrapped this league up a long time ago.

[michael]

Disappointed that Williams is set to leave-only seem two brief appearances but looked a good player to me.

 

As regards Pulman, we knew two seasons ago that he was not good enough,he has gone around other Kent clubs since, alsp showing he is not good enough, so why on earth was he re-signed about three months ago.

Its not his fault, but what was the point of wasting his time and the clubs a few months back.

 

Again, big shame about Williams ino

[wenger]

Pulman was a good example of crap thinking.

He signs and then plays for the reserves. He was a slow pudding and offered little that the other younger players did not already have. What it did do was stop one player who had been with the reserves from the start not playing. Sends out a bad message. Have said this about Sesay in the past. But what does Trott know about the reserves as he has only seen them twice I believe the last time over 4 months ago. Not a good omen.