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AFC Wimbledon - ePetition to the Sports Minister

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Uncle Urchin Newbie

Uncle Urchin

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Originally Posted By: Chris1
Uncle Urchin, thank you for taking the time to read my post.

If you are referring to 10 points deduction for entering administration, I support that as a necessary deterrent to clubs wishing to live beyond their means.

Does overlooking the ICC form constitute a greater danger to the integrity of the sport? If the answer is no the punishment should not be greater.

I do not think the rulemakers envisaged the present situation, where a club could potentially lose every point gained during a season due to a minor administrative error.

I am asking them to redress that. And of course to apply the rule fairly to every club.

If I am misunderstanding your post please correct me.


gladly.....as most of what you write is incorrect...firstly I assume you refer to Hx in the 10 point deduction comment...we could have taken that route but chose not too as it would have been a swipe at the rules....we never entered into administration....we saw the season out even tho we were offered a lifleine by the conference commitee who were sh1tting themselves about the consequences of a midseason fall out...it will all be in the book... grin

and in any event what has that to do with the afcw situation...you broke the rules...we have all done so and have all been punished....

live with it as its getting very very boring and your club is in great danger of losing any goodwill that it had....already you have surely lost ours at Hx....
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Well then UU, you have gone in with all guns blazing, but sadly you are also mistaken on a couple of issues.

 

Translating your post, I assume Hx means Hornchurch? I wasn't aware of your points deduction, but I have noticed you dropped a league or two when your benefactor deserted you. No surprise there really. It could happen to any club.

 

We also lost points through financial mis-management. By 'we' I mean Margate FC, the team I support and whose message board this is.

 

My general point is that non-league fans should stick together in matters like this instead of bickering. For the record, I enjoyed my one and only visit to Hornchurch. I remember the fans were passionate, but nevertheless friendly. I think you beat us, although I remember the occasion more than the result.

 

You Uncle Urchin are welcome to your views. But you do seem to take things personally. Are you seeking another big row like the one that got you banned from another message board? I'm sorry but you won't get the desired reaction from me.

 

I was merely showing my support for some other non-league fans who have seen their club unfairly punished for a minor infringement of The Rules. I would do the same for you mate.

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Uncle Urchin

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apologies chris as I assumed from your posts that you were in fact a womble....clearly a mistake on my part....

 

now to clear a couple of issues....firstly I never take anything personally...I just have opinions as indeed do others and I pass those opinions on various message boards that are there for that purpose...I have no sympathy at all with AFCW and any legal action they may take could well cost us all money which we haven't got....perhaps you will stand by your sympathy for AFCW when Margate FC get a bill from the Ryman for a couple of grand...then again perhaps you will just shrug and pay it on behalf of the club....doubt it somehow...

 

and for the record I haven't been banned from anywhere..I was asked to not use the isthmian forum as the owners had received threats of legal action regarding some of my opinions....I concurred with that request and stopped using the board simply because I believe that the double standards at work over that issue were not worthy of further debate or action....the owners of this board were quite happy to leave the same views on here and indeed they are still on here...and no one has sued anyone (surprise suprise) grin...you may have also noticed that the isthmian board is now full of AFCW junk regarding their 'plight'

 

I have no issue with you or anyone else on any forum but why may I ask is someone else's opinion that differs to yours 'taking things personally'...?

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Kevin M (CCFC)

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"I was merely showing my support for some other non-league fans who have seen their club unfairly punished for a minor infringement of The Rules"

 

Chris1,

ffact is they knew the rules and, like all us other clubs in the league, agreed to play within them so why should they now bleat it's unfair ? Let's see now, could it possibly be because they have a chance of promotion if no or fewer points are deducted ? Do you think it fair to us other other clubs (that have played within the rules) that they should gain by playing an illegible player. How would you feel if your club were pushed out of a play-off place by means of AFCW having a reduced points penalty ? Don't belive you'd be very happy. AFCW are only interested in AFCW, not the welfare of fellow clubs. It's naieve of you to believe anything else.

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Uncle Urchin: you responded as if I was having a go at your club, which I wasn't. Anyway you have explained and I apologise in turn for any misunderstanding.

 

Kevin: yes, you and many others have made this point. However the rule was intended for players who are cuptied/banned/registered with another club, ie. advantage gained. Do you think a maximum of 126 points deducted is right for failing to fill in a form (no advantage sought, none gained)? Nor do I, and I have been arguing for that to be corrected.

 

As for your question Kev: I would like to see my team promoted on merit, not in the committee room. Hope that makes it clear.

 

I trust everyone will be as vociferous in favour of massive points deductions when it happens to their own club.

 

Anyhow, I can hear a bugle playing. What is that tune? Oh yes, 'The Last Post'.

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There seems to be an assumption that we are guilty of what we were eventually cahrged with - playing an ineligible player (rule 6.8), which we dispute. We were guilty of playing an improperly documented player (6.1).

 

Various people claim there is an automatic connection but then disappear when asked to show it. It would appear that there is not an automatic connection because

 

- they are specified separately

- specific punishments (optoinal points deduction) are laid down for 6.1, which are all subsumed into 6.8 punishments, there would be no point in specifying punishments if there was an automatic connection.

 

I'm still waiting to see the convincing counterpoint to this, anyone ready to provide it?

 

Also the penalty is clearly arbitrary and random, with a bias towards penalising dirty players less harshly. It's almost like giving someone an 11 year ban for a few mistakes in accounts.

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Uncle Urchin: you responded as if I was having a go at your club, which I wasn't. Anyway you have explained and I apologise in turn for any misunderstanding.

Kevin: yes, you and many others have made this point. However the rule was intended for players who are cuptied/banned/registered with another club, ie. advantage gained. Do you think a maximum of 126 points deducted is right for failing to fill in a form (no advantage sought, none gained)? Nor do I, and I have been arguing for that to be corrected.

As for your question Kev: I would like to see my team promoted on merit, not in the committee room. Hope that makes it clear.

I trust everyone will be as vociferous in favour of massive points deductions when it happens to their own club.

Anyhow, I can hear a bugle playing. What is that tune? Oh yes, 'The Last Post'.


I'm with you Chris, not that it will do any good frown
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Uncle Urchin Newbie

Uncle Urchin

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Originally Posted By: OldIsthmian
It's almost like giving someone an 11 year ban for a few mistakes in accounts.


get your facts right oldie...sections 216 and 217 of the insolvency act were in fact the relative statutes in my case and I wasn't banned by anyone..I gave an undertaking voluntarily....

now then...will you please stop boring everyone with your rhetoric about this issue..no one really cares and it is sooooo mind numbingly tedious now.......'rules is rules' and they are the same for us all...no sympathy from me I'm afraid...and little from elsewhere I suspect if you continue with your sabre rattling....

and don't bother whinging to the owners of this forum...they have more balls over here than your spotty little mate on the wombles (aka isthmian) forum... grin
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OldIsthmian

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Unc, goodness me what sensitivity, I was expressing sympathy with some hypothetical person who might get banned from being a Director for 11 years for minor accountancy errors. I'd hope that a real ban (or voluntary undertaking to avoid such a ban) of that length would need something more serious. I'd similarly sympathise with someone who got 6 months for a parking offence. The punishment should always match the offence.

 

I've worked out nobody will answer the issue about the rules as they can't, if there was some clear and unarguable connection between 6.1 and 6.8, it would have been pointed out by now because then I'd have to shut up about it.

 

No need to appeal to any administrators, you don't seem to be saying anything that might get them into trouble for publishing it. Just a robust exchange of opinions.

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