Canvey Island -vs- Waltham Forest

[YELLOW]

Originally Posted By: Matt CIFC

Spitting at someone in all walks of life is [****!!****] disgusting on it's own. Perhaps the Forest player and Canvey fan in question should submit written apologises to one another's clubs!

Think that's the best idea. I don't think either club covered themselves in glory but I really don't think what happened after the game is best talked about on these forums. Now the dust has settled it's best to let the two clubs sort this out.

[Forest Gump]

Selective memory at work? Two of your supporters trid to pull down the protective cage at the tunnel and were only halted by the excellent work of your stewards. One of them was almost foaming at the mouth he was in such a rage. Apparently he is "known".

I have to say that all players were in the tunnel area and were spat at by a Canvey supporter. The referee says the Forest player retaliated by squirting water at him.

Other things happened concerning some of your supporters and one of our players (not Victor Renner) which I will not go into here as the allegations are quite serious and I do not want to write anything that would annoy the vast majority of your excellent supporters. I do have to say though that our team bus was stonned on the way down the main street.

[YELLOW]

As I said best to let both clubs deal with it rather than trying to work out who was to blame on here. As I said neither party covered themselves in glory but I doubt anybody on here had a complete view of events so instead of commenting on what may or may not have happened let both clubs deal with things accordingly.

[The Great Eckscape]

Sorry Dave, even though I agree, I've got to post this before I explode!

 

"After the game there were a few Canvey supporters giving it a lot of mouth next to the tunnel. Apparantly something to do with racist remarks during the game from the home support. Our players gave some back, which prompted a Canvey fan to spit at our players, who retaliated by squirting some water. This caused the spitting Canvey fan to go balistic and he started trying to beat down the tunnel wall to get into the tunnel and have it out with our players! A few of the young Canvey fans thought it would be funny to stone our minibus on the way out too. When we left there were still 7 police cars there. Although, the police wasn't really needed: The Canvey stewards dealt with everything very well."

 

This was your quote from your message board. The quote which concerns me is "Apparantly something to do with racist remarks during the game from the home support." I'm sorry mate, but if this has been alleged then this is a bare faced lie. As most people know I stand with the Yellow Army at all games and respect everybody under the shed (the only ones sing/chant during matches). If one person had been heard making a racist comment towards your player then they would have known about right and wrong. We had an incident when we played Lowestoft Town earlier this season. One of their fans made a comment about the linesman who was black, and the backlash from the Canvey and other Lowestoft fans was not a friendly one. Also, anybody that was at the Shay Stadium when it happened at Halifax will remember the reaction of our fans to that incident.

 

As I said on your forum, the only way I can think that your player(s) thought they were receiving monkey chants (again alleged on your message board) was when people were shouting "Hoof" when your defenders proceeded to lump the ball up field as they did most of the match.

 

I cannot comment about what had happened in the tunnel area, I was over the other side of the ground taking our flags down. If somebody had made a comment towards any of your players then I sincerely hope they get what they deserve. However, I would like to see where calling our fans "Gyppos" lies in the definition of racism, as I have been told they did. I also hope that Victor Renner get what he deserves from the authorities for his cowardly act. Kicking the ball into a group of supporters, hitting a child, and then standing in the middle of the pitch chanting "Easy" is absolutely undefendable. There was no abuse towards him or any other players that deserved that, and I suggest that if he can't take a bit of banter then he's in the wrong sport.

 

I would also like to here more from one of your officials, who upon me telling him that we had never had any incidents of racism since I've supported Canvey then told me that their players were racially abused at Park Lane 5 years previously. This was absolute rubbish, and he quickly changed his mind and said he must have been thinking about somewhere else.

 

When Ian Luck scored our second goal, he charged towards the Canvey fans in the shed to celebrate his goal. He's been given our full support ever since he joined the club, and it was great that he appreciated this with his celebration. He along with our other black players are all highly thought of, and they share a great rapport with the fans. I find it insulting to have allegations of racism from the Yellow Army baring this in mind, and fullstop for that matter.

 

I am a fiercely proud Canvey Island fan. My mother is from Trinidad, and anybody who knows me can tell you that I am not exactly white. I know all about racism my friend, and nothing of the kind happened during that match, not in the slightest.

 

As I say, if anything happened afterwards then fine, let’s find out what happened and make sure that any guilty parties are dealt with. But if anything was said, do not think for one minute that is wasn’t just one or two idiots who has no place at Park Lane.

 

This club and it’s fans don’t deserve to have it’s name dragged through the mud for the alleged actions of the smallest minority possible.

 

Canvey 'Til I Die

 

Glen Eckett

 

[Forest Gump]

Glen, you make many good points. However, I was near our club official who said that your club had been "done for racism" some years ago. When one of your supporters and a steward denied this our guy actually took it back and said that he'd been wrong. Wrong that you'd been "done for it".

We do have a witness to the racist monkey chants. If "hoof hoof" was mistaken for something else, I would suggest your supporters have done this before and know how it can be misinterpreted. It might be better if your fans found a different word which could not be misinterpreted in these pc sensitive times.

[The Great Eckscape]

I could understand if we only shouted "Hoof" at black players, but that is far from the case. The truth is that if a team keeps hitting high balls out of defence then we shout "Hoof", regardless of their skin colour. I can assure you that this wouldn't have even entered people's minds when shouting it, so they wouldn't have thought about changing it.

 

I'm afraid this has offended me that we are being accused of this, and I'm sure that upon watching back the rest of our home games from the season (which have all been recorded) then I can catergorically prove that this was not the case.

[thomarocky]

Good grief,thank goodness I went to the bar at the final whistle. So, what exactly are the League, Officials and respective clubs doing to investigate the matter ?

[The Great Eckscape]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1579978311

 

Canvey Island v Enfield

 

Just before Jay Curran puts us 3-1 up. Canvey fans shout "Hoof" at Enfield defender who'd been hitting the ball upfield all day. He, as you can clearly see, is a white player. I could produce countless other incidents with the full matches.

 

As a say, as case of mishearing by your "witness".

[Uncle Urchin]

why does none of this surprise me one jot....FG and his fellow forum bore TS specialise in creating forum furore after every game..you only have to read their forum to see what the agenda is....

 

we shall be noticed at any cost

 

we have been to canvey and had you at our place many a time and never once heard a racist remark and I am pretty sure neither jeff nor the new gang would stand for it for one second....(of course you wouldn't have shouted hoof at us as we play the ball on the ground all the time )...these two are a pair of cretinous fools...always have been and always will be..TS doesn't even go to their matches...they will milk it until its weeks old or something else gains their attention...

 

never had you down for being a trinidadian Glen...always thought you were a pikey....

[ken]

i have been through the video of the incident and the game and the way my microphone was set up you can clearly hear what the fans under the shelter said, and at no poit is there anything racist said (some very choice language at times but not even a hint of racism). DVD's of the game will be handed over today.

[Forest Gump]

I didnt come here to start any troube at all, just to talk about the game.

 

I was nowhere near where the alleged racism was coming from, nor any other of the forest fans, but I did hear people talking about racism by the tunnel after the game. What I will say though, regardless of what happened during the game, the way a few of your supporters comported themselves was appauling, not to mention the kids who stoned us on the way out.

[pabird]

Originally Posted By: ForestGump

I didnt come here to start any troube at all, just to talk about the game.

I was nowhere near where the alleged racism was coming from, nor any other of the forest fans, but I did hear people talking about racism by the tunnel after the game. What I will say though, regardless of what happened during the game, the way a few of your supporters comported themselves was appauling, not to mention the kids who stoned us on the way out.

Please ease up on the “Iam only being polite stuff”; you appear old enough to understand that quoting third party gossip is at best mischievous and at worst deliberate “nothing to do with me” cowardice
As for the performance of some of our younger elements you may have a point in so much as I have never in several years of watching Canvey seen that type of behaviour and as for your lad who smacked, the ball after the game was over into a young Canvey supporters face, had your lad not been so arrogant and had immediately been contrite in dealing with the lad our idiots may not have risen to the bait.
We will deal at our end (I trust our management) be interesting to see what action you take?

[Canvey Fan 1926]

have you got the videos for the game ken?

[ken]

videos will be given to the club tonight

[The Great Eckscape]

Originally Posted By: ForestGump

I didnt come here to start any troube at all, just to talk about the game.

I was nowhere near where the alleged racism was coming from, nor any other of the forest fans, but I did hear people talking about racism by the tunnel after the game. What I will say though, regardless of what happened during the game, the way a few of your supporters comported themselves was appauling, not to mention the kids who stoned us on the way out.

Our fans, myself included, reacted very badly when the ball was kicked towards us. I shouted some very abusive, non-racial, things as did others. Looking back on this, I regret what happened very much. I lost the plot when the incident took place and the scenes under the shed are not what CIFC should be about. I suppose when you mix the passion of football fans, the joy of going 2-1 up, the despair of letting an equaliser in in the 90th minutes, an oppo player launching the ball at us, and then taunting our fans, it all got the better of me.

As for fans throwing stones at your coach and the tunnel incident, cannot comment as I say, but I hope any guilty Canvey fans get what they deserve.

However, I am big enough and old enough to be called and idiot, abusive, threatening etc and take it on board and apologise. However, being called racist as our fans have been is something that we are not and never have been, and we will never accept any accusations to the contrary.

As far as I can see there are two reasons behind these accusations.

1. One of Waltham Forest's players/staff etc mis heard a chant by the Yellow Army. If this is the case then I do not blame the accusations as mistakes happen. Similarly, I hope the accusers can now see that this was an error and apologise accordingly.

2. This is an attempt to overshadow the fact that Victor Renner deliberately kicked the ball at our fans and struck a child on the head.

I sincerely hope it is the first of these and we can all move on.

Anybody at the game tonight can read my programme notes where I have summed up the event in my opinion officially.

Oh and Unc, as for being a Pikey, "We all live in a yellow caravan, a yellow caravan.... "

[YELLOW]

Originally Posted By: The Great Eckscape

Originally Posted By: ForestGump

I didnt come here to start any troube at all, just to talk about the game.

I was nowhere near where the alleged racism was coming from, nor any other of the forest fans, but I did hear people talking about racism by the tunnel after the game. What I will say though, regardless of what happened during the game, the way a few of your supporters comported themselves was appauling, not to mention the kids who stoned us on the way out.

Our fans, myself included, reacted very badly when the ball was kicked towards us. I shouted some very abusive, non-racial, things as did others. Looking back on this, I regret what happened very much. I lost the plot when the incident took place and the scenes under the shed are not what CIFC should be about. I suppose when you mix the passion of football fans, the joy of going 2-1 up, the despair of letting an equaliser in in the 90th minutes, an oppo player launching the ball at us, and then taunting our fans, it all got the better of me.

You've summed that up perfectly Glen and I was exactly the same as you. I can get very passionate at times at football and like alot of people on Saturday, I got very abusive (non racial) and certainly uttered some obscenities after the incident of their player kicking the ball at the crowd.

What I will say is the people I know at Canvey and who are my friends are passionate but certainly not racists.

Luckily by the time I had walked round I had calmed down and actually told a few of our supporters that it was best to go in the bar, have a drink and calm down.

Actually I was quite subdued about all this on Saturday night. I hate losing my temper and I really don't condone foul mouthed outbursts. Luckily I can turn round and say "I didn't like the way I acted". I was no better than the player in question it just winds me up when people can do things like that and then laugh about it.

Anyway that's the last I'll say on the matter.

[Yellow Bungle]

Do we have any black players?

 

Must admit, I look at the pitch and just see footballers.