Our very own -One's to Watch'

[michael]

Its often in the second half of season as injuries and suspensions mount up; that a fringe player breaks into the first team and makes the spot their own permanently-at the expense of a more regular player:

 

Maybe there are a few contenders amongst our fringe/reserve players who could do just that.

Our squad does look pretty strong and i reckon at least one player will emerge to break into the first team regularly.

 

 

Bagley-may have something about him

 

Standen-many would say the unluckiest player not to be playing every week anyway

 

Smith and Wisker-had a few games-experience will have helped-if they get a chance again, they may make a permanent breakthrough to be good enough to play for the first team every week.

 

Dolton-looks confident

 

Old favourites-Sesay and Yiga-still on the scene.

 

Outsiders but could take their chances if given :

Pratt and Luke Williams.

[Cookie]

Originally Posted By: michaelmichael

Standen-many would say the unluckiest player not to be playing every week anyway

Sorry Michael but I think he's been VERY fortunate to even get a few games this season with the way the FIRST team players have been playing.I said I wouldn't put him down this year & I think I have done well not too but he isn't the best of players to be honest. Cant see why you keep on putting him on a pedestal.Him & Remy,your two favourites, are average players at best i.m.o.
I do however admire him for sticking with it though.He gets great credit from me for that.

[bigtw]

I was speaking to MF tonight and he has the same view.

 

He thinks there are probably 3 good young players in the squad who can do a job but as the senior players have been doing so well it's been hard for them to get their break.

 

 

Only time will tell.

[michael]

Hi Cookie-

The thread was intended to be about who may emerge from the fringes to make a permanent first team spot their own.

I take it DS won't get your vote !

I simply think there are'nt too many Ryman teams who would have him only on the bench;but as you rightly say-that shows the quality of the other Margate players.

 

Maybe the likes of Smith,Wisker or Bagley will have done enough, and matured enough to have cemented a permanent first team spot.

I'm pretty certain someone will-but who ?

[Cookie]

You brought the name up MM so I'm just responding. Bagley,if he can come from out of those clouds he's been on & fit in as a TEAM player maybe.Just back from injury I know but he certainly has the skills to be amongst the first team squad.Dolton too.Wisker & Smith are o.k players.Haven't seen some of the others that have been mentioned so cant comment on them. Yiga still is a decent player i.m.o & could still provide SOMETHING should he come on as a replacement at times.He didn't let us down at Whitstable. I think he's had the hardest deal of the lot!

[bigtw]

Cookie must disagree with you.

I've been to several training sessions lately and Dean standen Stands out as one of the most skillful hard working players there.

He does a good job on the field when asked and does the job asked of him.

 

Unfortunately we are not privy to what the management ask him to do when he is used.

 

I have found this over the years supporters judging players without knowing whats been asked of them.

 

Im not having a dig at you but I've been a FA coach for over 12 years now and some of the stories I could tell you about supporters and parents. Like one parent telling their son to push on and support the front man thinking he was in his normal right mid-field position, when in fact he was moved to right back at the start of the season 10 games ago.

 

but he wasn't to know what me the manager had told him to do.

[Cookie]

I hear what you say but I haven't mentioned any positioning play in my post above about or what is or is not expected of them.I only judge a player & comment on their abilities by what I see them produce on the field of play on match days, regardless of any instructions. I am merely stating who,in my opinion could be useful from the bunch we have on the sidelines.Lets remember too that its just MY opinion.Yes he tries hard enough(a good trait) but he dosen't have much flair does he?

We shall just have to differ on our opinions of Dean thats all. I just don't think he is as good as MM keeps saying,keeps saying,keeps saying(yes done on purpose)he is.

Finally don't forget I am a youth team coach too (or so I have been assumed to be) l.o.l.

[Chris1]

Can I join in? True, DS has caused widely differing opinions amongst supporters.

 

For my money he's a good asset, he distributes the ball well and can dispossess forwards without fouling. Also is good with both feet. His weak points are heading (he can't), shooting (he won't), and his temperament (eg. getting sent off within 2 minutes of coming on TWICE). Oh and getting caught out of position.

 

That sounds bad, but all in all I would rather DS on the bench than many others we have seen over the last couple of years.

 

He did a good job at ETU last season when people were really getting on his back. And Trotty has stuck with him. Let's give him a break.

 

On the wider subject, Smith has surely done enough to show he will make the grade. I know he backpedals a bit, but he is not the only fullback to do that, and he does push the forward wide.

 

Dolton has looked a good prospect, and I don't think he should be judged on one miss.

 

Robinson too has a chance of making it, although his positional play has ruled him out of the first team.

 

As Cookie says, Wisker put in some great crosses in the Whitstable game.

 

For me, Yiga may make it in years to come, but too raw to judge at the moment. Ditto Sesay (it was a dive btw). In fact Yiga reminds me of Remy, and I am oh-so-glad he was playing for the opponents on Monday; couldn't hit a barn door.

[P.W.]

Originally Posted By: Cookie

... Bagley,if he can come from out of those clouds he's been on & fit in as a TEAM player maybe.Just back from injury I know but he certainly has the skills to be amongst the first team squad...

Wasn't it Holden who thought he should be a first team regular after making a couple of appearances as a sub? Rather than Bagley ?

Originally Posted By: Cookie

... Yiga still is a decent player i.m.o & could still provide SOMETHING should he come on as a replacement at times.He didn't let us down at Whitstable. I think he's had the hardest deal of the lot! ...

He's certainly at a disadvantage with a Manager who has said in essence that he 'doesn't rate him'. What makes it difficult is that when he is played he's put on the wing. At both Whitstable and Heybridge he started on the wing and struggled, when he was allowed to play in front of goal he looked a different (more confident) player.

[Cookie]

Cant answer the Holden one Peter but from what I was told it WAS Bagley. If you go back over old threads you might find the earlier discussions on this. Its not a bad thing altogether thinking you are better than the rest & deserving of a place as it shows you have confidence in your own ability.I was open minded on this until I saw for myself that reserve game v Rams reserves where he only had to slide the ball into the net to score for his TEAM. What he did try & do was make the goal look more spectacular as it could have been by rounding the keeper to score.I felt this was "showing off" & wasn't necessary. A simple goal would have probably won the game for the team but in the end his miss contributed to a loss. He would have got just as much praise for scoring the simple goal as he would have done trying the more difficult route but it shouldn't have been about personal praise it should have been & could have been about a team performance on the day.Having said all that maybe he just made the wrong decision at the time on the day in which case I may be doing him an injustice but I could see & others could see(though we didn't have the ball at our feet to fair again) that the goal was easily scoreable in the first instance so I fail to see how he couldn't see it as he WAS originally seeing what others could see head on.

I don't know the guy personally so maybe what some have said about him is unfair. Maybe I am doing him an injustice by putting two & two together.

Maybe he's not as bad as some have made him out to be.He's certainly buckling down to being with the squad & waiting his chance,I give him that.

From what Ive seen of him he could do well in this team but we need to see him out there. Without seeing him on a more regular basis then we aren't going to know for SURE just how good he can be & what kind of attitude he REALLY does have.Alas we go back to the FIRST team doing so well & that prevents him from getting out there for us to see that.These youngsters DO need to be given more chances but AGAIN we go back to the "big" guys doing so well & why change an eleven that are doing so well.It is a hard one in trying to keep everyone happy whilst we are moving along nicely.

[BlueGate Alan]

Cookie Peter is right it was Holden not Bagley who thought he should be a first team regular. I agree Nick should have taken the simpler route to goal in that match but lets face it if he had had scored in the way he tried too we would probably have been raving about him and bemoaning the fact he got a bad injury. I do know of him as a school mate of my son's and, yes he is a little over confident at times but at 19 I believe will be a great asset to the team in the future.

[Cookie]

Then there must have been the TWO players with similar attitudes Alan. BAGLEY was mentioned to me by a "prominent" & regular visitor to reserve games & who is privy to what goes on behind the scenes to a degree that he might possibly have an attitude like this but it WAS mentioned.I certainly haven't made this up!

I'll wait to see & make my own final judgement in due course.I too think,with his abilities shown thus far in the reserves that he could be an asset to the team given the chance.

[ANGLE]

On the Pulman issue i thought he was a good player when with us in our Dover days,good skill and quick,its down to RT and MF,get the best out of him and use him where most effective.

[BlueGate Alan]

Tony am not saying he hasn't got an attitude but it was definately Holden who didn't want to sit warming the bench not Bagley. In fact I know Bagley was honoured to make the first team squad, following in his dad's footsteps. Don't forget I too have seen about half a dozen reserve games this season too.

[Cookie]

[color:#3333FF]Wasn't it Holden who thought he should be a first team regular after making a couple of appearances as a sub? Rather than Bagley that when he is played he's put on the wing. A

 

I haven't in any of my posts said that Bagley was unhappy about being on the bench & not being in the first team.I think a misunderstanding has come about here.I'm talking off "Attitude""in general(football related) & nothing specific.And it IS Bagley I am talking off & not anyone else.I do not have the same information on Holden as that of Bagley & if he was another with a similar attitude then I take your word for it.

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[BlueGate Alan]

Sorry Cookie an obvious misunderstanding on your posts on this subject then! Still think at 19 he can & will overcome this and has great individual skill to make the grade along with the likes of Dolton, Wiska and maybe even Pratt

[Cookie]

Agreed!

[michael]

A bit of 'attitude' and arrogance can be positive assets particularly in a striker.

Admitedly, they have to walk the walk aswell as 'talk the talk',but most teenagers have attitude and that will always be the case.

 

Its not just the player you need to look at on 'attitude 'issues.Its how the Manager handles and harnesses the attitude.

 

RedKnapp with Kanu and Allardyce with Anelka spring to mind.

Closer to home- Ian Baird at Havant with Rocky Baptiste.

 

If Bagleys 'game' encompasses 'attitude' so be it as long as he does the business.

 

Those misses by Dolton and Bagley will have done them both good.All strikers miss easy chances,it did not cost 'Gate on either occasion and in the future they will put them away.

 

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