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That is not what I am saying. I fully appreciate free speech and am quite happy with people having views on the club. I am just fed up with people talking about the board as a "Inner Circle" and insinuating that "Real Supporters" don't have a say in the running of the club.


Would someone like to define what a "Real Supporter" is please?.
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THe crazy thing is that I have been accused as being a member of the inner circle on more than one occasion. Which makes me laugh - living 119 miles away and relinng on FJ, Arky et al for info.

 

THe facts are tho quite simple.

 

THose people who have been elected have done and continue to do a great job. THe proof is in the stature and standard of the club. Their is, and always will be, a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that cannot and should not be made public and has to remain confidential. I am quite comfortable with that . I do a get a tad waspy with certain people who critisise without being constructive and hide behind the I dont have time argument. Do they think the others do?

 

I am certainly not going to have a pop at Andy and Southport or whoever puts themselves up - at least they had a go! Funny enough I also dont think their reasons for resigning should be openly discussed on here either.

 

We all know there are lots of people not connected to ETFC who love to dig around.

 

Lastly - until someone proves themselves to be not trustworthy they should be trusted. I have seen nothing to give me cause for concern in the work or the abilities of the current board.

 

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The Southern Dandy Newbie

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I disagree Invisible One.

We have heard numerous mention of a so called Inner Circle within the club. My opinion is that these so called Inner Circle members have to be voted in by the supporters. If Society members are unhappy about the Inner Circle they have the ability if they so wish to vote them out.

So what I am saying is if "Outer Circle" members want to change the direction of the club then they should stand for election to the board en mass at the next opportunity.

It really is a case of "put up or shut up"


You cannot vote board members out. You can only vote board members in. If there are not enough society members standing for election then those board members standing for re-election are automatically elected. you may put the point that if you are not happy then you should stand. However, there are plenty of fans who do have certain views on how the club is run who just do not have the time to give to act as a director. that does not mean that they should not have a point of view or make comments. At the end of the day, the board should answer to the society members and not the members to the board.


It's good to know that someone who writes in the local press is fully supporting free speech....


The man with the icon of a revolutionary chastises THM and mentions writing in the press...more than a hint of jealousy from the bumbling shopkeeper, methinks...
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THe crazy thing is that I have been accused as being a member of the inner circle on more than one occasion. Which makes me laugh - living 119 miles away and relinng on FJ, Arky et al for info.

THe facts are tho quite simple.

THose people who have been elected have done and continue to do a great job. THe proof is in the stature and standard of the club. Their is, and always will be, a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that cannot and should not be made public and has to remain confidential. I am quite comfortable with that . I do a get a tad waspy with certain people who critisise without being constructive and hide behind the I dont have time argument. Do they think the others do?

I am certainly not going to have a pop at Andy and Southport or whoever puts themselves up - at least they had a go! Funny enough I also dont think their reasons for resigning should be openly discussed on here either.

We all know there are lots of people not connected to ETFC who love to dig around.

Lastly - until someone proves themselves to be not trustworthy they should be trusted. I have seen nothing to give me cause for concern in the work or the abilities of the current board.

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Jim, as usual, I agree with you on most points. However, I want to raise a point where you say you dont think their reasons for resigning should be openly discussed on here.

In principle, I agree. However, the three "supporters first, board second" brigade have all had a snipe at the mythical inner circle and not explained why. If they want to with-hold their reasons for re-signing, then do so. If they want to explain themselves, do so. What I object to is having these individuals having a dig without explanation and, of course,the existing board have to accept it without reply.

So, Andy, when you asked for examples of "speak first, think later" you'll find several amongst this thread if you look carefully.

If we don't establish what the problems are, we do not solve them.
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THe crazy thing is that I have been accused as being a member of the inner circle on more than one occasion. Which makes me laugh - living 119 miles away and relinng on FJ, Arky et al for info.

THe facts are tho quite simple.

THose people who have been elected have done and continue to do a great job. THe proof is in the stature and standard of the club. Their is, and always will be, a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that cannot and should not be made public and has to remain confidential. I am quite comfortable with that . I do a get a tad waspy with certain people who critisise without being constructive and hide behind the I dont have time argument. Do they think the others do?

I am certainly not going to have a pop at Andy and Southport or whoever puts themselves up - at least they had a go! Funny enough I also dont think their reasons for resigning should be openly discussed on here either.

We all know there are lots of people not connected to ETFC who love to dig around.

Lastly - until someone proves themselves to be not trustworthy they should be trusted. I have seen nothing to give me cause for concern in the work or the abilities of the current board.

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Jim, as usual, I agree with you on most points. However, I want to raise a point where you say you dont think their reasons for resigning should be openly discussed on here.

In principle, I agree. However, the three "supporters first, board second" brigade have all had a snipe at the mythical inner circle and not explained why. If they want to with-hold their reasons for re-signing, then do so. If they want to explain themselves, do so. What I object to is having these individuals having a dig without explanation and, of course,the existing board have to accept it without reply.

So, Andy, when you asked for examples of "speak first, think later" you'll find several amongst this thread if you look carefully.

If we don't establish what the problems are, we do not solve them.


I am not going pursue this because it appears that I must be talking a different language to you. Communication is supposed to be a two way process and I have certainly looked really carefully through this thread and cannot find anywhere where I have 'spoken first and thought later'.

Maybe the lack of communication is a key factor!
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We appear to have genuine, ordinary supporters being elected to the board, and resigning, disenchanted, making references to inner circles and so on. There is no point in others stepping forward if the same thing is going to happen again and again.


The “Inner Circle” was first mentioned on Not the ETFC as a joke! The light-hearted comment was made when a regular on this forum who joked about the possibility that a splinter group could be forming within the group of supporters who regularly attend the weekly ETFC night at The Hollybush. The term became used more frequently on this forum to the point where some regular supporters seemed to genuinely believe that the splinter group actually existed. The more the “IC” was mentioned the more real it appeared to become. In my opinion it was not a moniker that referred to the Enfield Town FC or the Board.


I beg to differ DOY.


I do too!



SOUTHPORT: I feel that being a supporter is not conducive with being a member of the current board. I will continue to support the club, but I can not support the current board.


Three comments that are showing a lack of suppport of the board, appertaining to the mythical inner circle. Andy, if these are well-considered thought-through comments that are in the best interests of the club, then I apologise for accusing you of being a "spur of the moment" merchant.
But if these comments are well-considered, then perhaps it was for the best that you moved on.

Are you saying that communication was the problem whilst you were on the board? Please explain what difficulties you encountered - I am genuinely interested.

If there are problems, it is better that they are brought out into the open and resolved so the club can move forward. I'm sure that these are sentiments you would endorse as a committed supporter so here's your chance to do something about it.

The language I speak is that of improvement. Et tu?
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I feel that it is \bout time that Southern Dandy reveals who he actually is. After all, although we all use pseudonyms on this site, most of us are known top each other whereas, SD is not. It is about time someone with such an interest in such a serious matter does make themselves known so people may begin to understand why they have these views.

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Judging by his favorite player he is no spring chicken! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />


Gazza,I am deeply offended <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Happy - let's not be sidetracked by identities...as you point out, there are serious issues to look at if our club is to progress as we all wish it to in the future. Phil's resignation should be used as a learniing point for either the future behaviour of the board and/or its membership.
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My motive is improvement of our club and I hope that all supporters would share that goal.

The real issue for me is the motive for ex-directors to snipe at the current board who are doing such a valued job for the club.

Criticising those that have been elected does not help unless the criticism is constructive - so far, we have had the criticism without anything constructive.

We come round full circle to Horses Mouths summary: As a supporters-owned club, if we as supporters do not like what we have, we have the power to effect change.

It is easy to whinge, less easy to stand up and be counted and make things happen to take the club forward. My opinion is that each of the ex-directors has helped us go forward but current comments are not helpful.

On that note, I will follow the lead of Andy in saying that my comments on this matter are done.

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The one positive thing to come out of these boardroom falling outs,is that everyones support for the club overrides all differences,and clashes of personality.Every ex-member who has quit the board,still fully supports the club and attends matches.Its seem loyalty to the club overrides individual ego's.

 

Which is a lot different from many other individuals in non-league football.How often have we seen people that have been overlooked by their boards, or upset by the regimes at their clubs,leaving and taking up positions at other clubs.Not at Town.That must be encouraging.

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My motive is improvement of our club and I hope that all supporters would share that goal.
The real issue for me is the motive for ex-directors to snipe at the current board who are doing such a valued job for the club.
Criticising those that have been elected does not help unless the criticism is constructive - so far, we have had the criticism without anything constructive.
We come round full circle to Horses Mouths summary: As a supporters-owned club, if we as supporters do not like what we have, we have the power to effect change.
It is easy to whinge, less easy to stand up and be counted and make things happen to take the club forward. My opinion is that each of the ex-directors has helped us go forward but current comments are not helpful.
On that note, I will follow the lead of Andy in saying that my comments on this matter are done.


A snipe at the current whole board or just the inner circle? There may have been collective responsibility but there was not always consultation on significant issues. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/argue.gif" alt="" />

You wear a suit and you fold some programmes thank you.

Were any of the current board elected by a membership vote? No the number of vacancies matched the number of people elected without a vote.

Et tu to you too! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/chat.gif" alt="" />
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