Bashley Game

[neutralbob]

quick question, hows my mate vargas doing?

[Guest]

What's that coming over the hill. Is it a Vargas? Is it a Vargas?

[SiD of WEFC]

Not every game is won by the best team. Bad refereeing decisions at critical moments can turn a game, as can a moment of good or bad luck. Over the course of a season black-clad imbeciles and flukes should even out (though it doesn't always happen...)

A team built around the concept of "get the ball to Fred (or whoever) and he will probably score" will create maybe three chances in a match and score two.

By contrast, we have a squad where ten players have scored this season, including two in the division's top ten and another just outside. Typically, we create ten chances in a match and on a good day we score five of them - on a bad day we score one.

The difference between these two approaches is that when Fred is injured or suspended, his team will nosedive. The same happens when Fred - as an established goalmachine - is poached by a side two divisions up. Or maybe the rest of the division cottons on, and they just mark Fred out of the game. Either way, it's not good.

By contrast, and with the greatest respect to Michael, Matt and Ben, we do not have a goal machine player in the squad. Instead, we have a goalmachine squad. We've proved we can score goals whatever the circumstances because there is no one key player; there are eleven, and five more on the bench.

To my mind, we have a great squad and a great system. We are resilient, and if our style means we have occasional down days, such as Saturday, we will have many, many more highs.

As Chels says, keep the faith.

 

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[neutralbob]

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What's that coming over the hill. Is it a Vargas? Is it a Vargas?

i will assume he has settled in just fine as expected!

[Guest]

He had his on song within a week! That must be a record?

[Hammerman]

Fuzzy, You have misunderstood what I was saying. I was talking about the investment in the pitch and not your money.

Also is Fred are new striker!

[Windsor_Sec]

I'm not going to comment about the squad, the system or anything associated as I can't actually see any problems but I will comment about the pitch as some people really don't have a clue what they're on about.

At 5.30 on Friday afternoon the Park End was under about 2 inches of water and by 7.30 Saturday morning that water had gone. Yes there were a few softer areas left for the game but to talk of water-filled potholes and a game close to abandonment is ludicrous as no referee in a million years would have called the game off! People speak of a nasty bounce which caused Bashley's second goal and yes I'll agree that happened but was it because of a bad pitch? If it had been as flat as a pancake prior to 3 o'clock I guarantee it wouldn't have been by the time the goal was scored as 'keepers from both sides will practice in the goalmouths before the game and at half-time. Watch the 'keepers as well when they're taking a goal-kick and what do most of them do - dig themselves a nice little mound to place the ball on, no wonder the ball diverts at times and remember exactly the same thing happened to Paul Robinson in an England game not so many weeks back!

The simple fact is we lost because we gave away a silly free kick after we'd just won the ball back, didn't defend it properly and then had a bit of bad luck with the deflection, take away 1 & 2 and 3 couldn't have happened!

I've heard people talking about the groundsman not doing his job properly and I'll state this now for anyone who wants to listen, we have currently got the best groundsman this club has ever had who does far and above what he's paid to do and the simple fact is you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. We knew we would experience problems along the way after the installation of the irrigation system was delayed so it's something we have to learn to live with! If any expert out there could tell me how he could do any better after three nights of frost followed by what must have been close to 4 inches of rain prior to the game then please tell me and Martin because I fail to see what else he could've done!

At the end of the day I'm disappointed that some people are looking for excuses when we have a little blip in our results, let's get one thing straight, a season is 42 games long and you're either good enough or you're not, simple as! I believe we're good enough to make the playoffs at least so let's forget last week and start another long unbeaten run. Bashley are the only ultra-conistent team at the moment but a run of injuries/suspensions/loss of form is inevitable as it happens to everyone, so it's important we pick up again and start breathing down their necks waiting for their poor run to kick in and stop looking for excuses when things don't go our way all of the time!

[Clive_Thistle]

Agreed!

 

Is there anyway we can stop the players from warming up in the goalmouths before the game and at half time? Maybe rope the 6 yard box off or something?

[Guest]

09/06 Thatcham Town SL H 4-3 WON

23/09/06 Didcot Town SL A 2-2 DREW

26/09/06 Hanwell Town SLC1 A 1-0 WON

30/09/06 Beaconsfield SYCOB SL H 3-0 WON

03/10/06 Winchester City SL A 1-1 DREW

07/10/06 Cinderford Town FAT Q R A 3-2 WON

14/10/06 Marlow SL A 5-3 WON

18/10/06 Chesham United SL H 4-1 WON

21/10/06 Clevedon FAT 1 QR A 3-1 WON

28/10/06 Andover SL H 3-0 WON

31/10/06 Dunstable Town SLC2 H 1-2 LOST CUP WHO CARES

04/11/06 Hampton & Richmond Borough FAT 2 QR H 2-0 WON

11/11/06 Chesham United SL A 3-1 WON

14/11/06 Swindon Supermarine SL A 0-0 DREW

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Looking at this I hardly call what we are doing at the moment a blip. We lost to Dunstable in the cup but apart from that we haven't lost until now.

 

18/11/06 Bashley SL H 1-2

 

I don't see what the problem is.

[Hammerman]

The pitch was bobbly at the start of the game.

The pitch probably needs a rest and it doesn't help with the big strip through the pitch. From my point of view its doesn't look like money well spent.

When I have been away to other grounds there pitches look a lot better than ours.

We manage to play good football on them as well.

Whats happening with the training pitch at the moment?

[Windsor_Sec]

Clive, yes we can rope the boxes off but it needs volunteers to take them down prior to kick-off. If someone wants to volunteer to do the job it would help a lot.

 

Hammerman, the pitches that look the best are the ones that have had least disturbance during the close-season, you can't go digging 4 foot trenches everywhere and expect miracles overnight and, as was previously explained, delays in the project left us with an uphill task anyway.

The money spent was primarily on something you can't actually see [the irrigation system] which, in years to come, will prove time and time again to be money well spent. Anyone who has supported Windsor for years will have seen a vast improvement in the pitch during that time, a few more years might actually see us where we want to be with it but only after a great deal more money has been spent and you have to ask where will that keep coming from!

Historically the Stag Meadow area has always been a boggy area [years before the football club came along] and this is caused by it's low-lying position coupled with a very clay-based soil. Our antiquated drainage system has been improved over the years but it still needs ripping out and renewing. Ideally the whole pitch to a depth of about 3 feet could do with digging up to get rid of the clay to give us a decent subsoil to work with but you're talking mega-money to do that in one hit so the club over the years has tried to address that a bit at a time. Even the Chelsea's and Man Utd's of this world suffer similar problems, how many times have they relaid their pitches in the last few years? The difference there though is money, they can afford to throw away £60k to have a brand new turf pitch laid in a couple of days but the simple fact is we rely on the generosity of directors and sponsors for any work we need to do. The pro clubs also have a full time groundstaff of whatever numbers with the best equipment to work with and more importantly hardly anyone ever using the pitch [ie matchdays only]. I would like to see what their pitches would be like if they had 1st, reserve and youth teams all training on the main pitch!

 

As far as the training pitch goes I don't know the answer but I'll find out. The original work on it was delayed by the delay on the main pitch.

[Guest]

Steve I don't mind doing that job if you want?

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

Windsor Sec - you say that the park end had 2 inches of water and this then drained away. However why is it that the D at the carpark end is pure mud?!?!

 

The rest of the pitch is becoming patchy and the bounce on various parts of the pitch is also highly variable especially along the trenches and has been all of this season.

[chels - WEFC]

not blaming the pitch just because your losing are you?

[Guest]

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Windsor_Sec said:
I'm not going to comment about the squad, the system or anything associated as I can't actually see any problems but I will comment about the pitch as some people really don't have a clue what they're on about.
At 5.30 on Friday afternoon the Park End was under about 2 inches of water and by 7.30 Saturday morning that water had gone. Yes there were a few softer areas left for the game but to talk of water-filled potholes and a game close to abandonment is ludicrous as no referee in a million years would have called the game off! People speak of a nasty bounce which caused Bashley's second goal and yes I'll agree that happened but was it because of a bad pitch? If it had been as flat as a pancake prior to 3 o'clock I guarantee it wouldn't have been by the time the goal was scored as 'keepers from both sides will practice in the goalmouths before the game and at half-time. Watch the 'keepers as well when they're taking a goal-kick and what do most of them do - dig themselves a nice little mound to place the ball on, no wonder the ball diverts at times and remember exactly the same thing happened to Paul Robinson in an England game not so many weeks back!
The simple fact is we lost because we gave away a silly free kick after we'd just won the ball back, didn't defend it properly and then had a bit of bad luck with the deflection, take away 1 & 2 and 3 couldn't have happened!
I've heard people talking about the groundsman not doing his job properly and I'll state this now for anyone who wants to listen, we have currently got the best groundsman this club has ever had who does far and above what he's paid to do and the simple fact is you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. We knew we would experience problems along the way after the installation of the irrigation system was delayed so it's something we have to learn to live with! If any expert out there could tell me how he could do any better after three nights of frost followed by what must have been close to 4 inches of rain prior to the game then please tell me and Martin because I fail to see what else he could've done!
At the end of the day I'm disappointed that some people are looking for excuses when we have a little blip in our results, let's get one thing straight, a season is 42 games long and you're either good enough or you're not, simple as! I believe we're good enough to make the playoffs at least so let's forget last week and start another long unbeaten run. Bashley are the only ultra-conistent team at the moment but a run of injuries/suspensions/loss of form is inevitable as it happens to everyone, so it's important we pick up again and start breathing down their necks waiting for their poor run to kick in and stop looking for excuses when things don't go our way all of the time!

Am sorry steve but with enormous respect the pitch was poor on saturday. At the town end of the ground just outside the "D" there was at least one very large water filled whole which on at least one occassion prevented a scoring opportunity when the ball stopped dead. (apologies i'm less familiar with the names these days).

I was not looking for excuses after the game saturday and when talking about the game over a pint my opinion was Bashley just about deserved their win. I politely posted that i had been told that the club had not paid the groundsman (posted as a rumour) and therefore work had not been done on the pitch recently as a result. Our webmaster did not respond to that rumour so i'd ask politely if your aware if there's any substantion to it because if it's true in my opionion it's helped lose the club at least a point.

If i've said anything out of line please accept my apologies in advance but i see nothing wrong with exchanging views on a message board even if on occassion some peeps don't like it. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/argue.gif" alt="" />

[mal316]

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I politely posted that i had been told that the club had not paid the groundsman (posted as a rumour) and therefore work had not been done on the pitch recently as a result. Our webmaster did not respond to that rumour so i'd ask politely if your aware if there's any substantion to it because if it's true in my opionion it's helped lose the club at least a point.

Yeah, because I know all about the clubs finances.

And even if I did, this is not the place to discuss them.

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I politely posted that i had been told that the club had not paid the groundsman (posted as a rumour) and therefore work had not been done on the pitch recently as a result. Our webmaster did not respond to that rumour so i'd ask politely if your aware if there's any substantion to it because if it's true in my opionion it's helped lose the club at least a point.

Yeah, because I know all about the clubs finances.

And even if I did, this is not the place to discuss them.

You may not know about the clubs books but your closer to the daily goings on at the club than the vast majority of us. Even if you didn't know there was nothing to prevent you putting that in your response. Why not say "i don't know".

If hearsay at the club is saying that the pitch isn't being or hasn't being properly looked after due to the club not paying it's groundsman and the pitch contributed to a defeat last week, i'm gonna post it and ask quesations and if that puts peoples nose out of joint tough.

It out my nose out of joint reflecting on defeat when i couldn't get home from riverside last saturday.

[Windsor_Sec]

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Staines Rebel1 said:
Windsor Sec - you say that the park end had 2 inches of water and this then drained away. However why is it that the D at the carpark end is pure mud?!?!

The rest of the pitch is becoming patchy and the bounce on various parts of the pitch is also highly variable especially along the trenches and has been all of this season.

SR1, the area outside the 'D' is slightly lower and according to people like Chris S and Roy M was ruined when you played Billericay and they did almost all of their pre-match warm up in that area. Once an area gets like that it's beyond repair so that will be a dodgy area everytime we get sustained wet weather leading up to matches.
I'm not quite sure where you're going with your second paragraph, we knew the trenches were going to be a problem after the delay and patches are inevitable. We'll do what we can to maintain as good a surface as possible but if we're in for a wet rather than cold winter we may have further problems to face in the months to come.

[Windsor_Sec]

Michael, You've no reason to suspect you've upset anyone when all you've done is ask what would seem to be pertinent questions!

I didn't say the pitch was good last week, I did though explain that it was virtually impossible for the groundstaff to do anything in the days leading up to the game after it was [a] frozen solid and then flooded. That's not to say that they weren't here though as they spent their time doing what they could on the areas they could work on.

With regards to answering the question about possible problems with the groundstaff I really don't think it would be my place to comment on such things, particularly on an open forum, it just wouldn't be right! That's not to say you can't ask the questions though and I'm sure if you grabbed Peter or Kevin at a game they would be more than willing to allay any fears you may have.

As I write this though there are three people working very hard on the pitch divoting and using the sponge roller to get rid of the excess water and I don't think they would be there if there was any sort of financial problem. What is certain though is that there will be no mechanical machinery on the pitch before tomorrow's game as the surface is absolutely waterlogged. The forecast is for torrential showers again later today, overnight and in the morning and, if that is correct, we'll be looking at an early morning inspection to see whether the game can go ahead.

[Guest]

Appreciate that response steve, like i know you do all i want is the best for our football club thats why i ask.

 

Personally can't see the game going ahead with what is forecast but you never know. Presumably any pitch inspection will be held with plenty of notice so that those from bandit country and indeed south london don't have a waisted journey?

 

As for the Bashley game i think people will have to disagree. I thought we were out thought and out muscled last week, others blame the missed chances.

 

Ps Steve if i'm defensive im sure you can guess why. ;-) <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/chat.gif" alt="" />