Do Officials Ever Make You Feel Like Quitting?

[Jenko]

After our dismal defeat on Saturday I was left wondering how on earth some people get to referee football. We didn't seem up for the game and although the score flattered Halstead some what and we played some decent football in patches we didn't really deserve to win the game.

 

But with 15mins or so to go I really felt like telling our players to walk off the pitch and leave the officials to be centre stage. We lost and thats that but where the FA found the officials from on Saturday is beyond me. When you go away to teams in different leagues in Cup competitons you expect some bias towards the home side but to do what the officials done on Saturday is nothing short of cheating.

 

You know you are in for a tough time when the referee goes up to several of their players before the game and chats to them and asks them how their injuries are, how they have been playing etc etc. But you just get on with it. During the game he gives Halstead a freekick on the edge of the box that was a very good tackle from which they score. He then fails to give us two blatant penalties from successive corners that even the Halstead players and bench said were penalites. The ref then fails to book one of their players for a terrible tackle resulting in our player being subbed. To go through every decision would take an hour but the Halstead players told us that they have never seen such a one-sided ref and the Halstead bench said he was the worse ref they had seen this year and this is after they have had won 5-0.

 

In the second half the ref totally lost the plot and started to book our players for anything and blew up every time we made a tackle. I spoke to several Halstead fans and also a few neutral ones and they were stood there in disbelief in what one described as... 'the worse referring performance he had ever seen'. After we questioned the linesman about one or two dubious off-sides he then proceeded to not give blatant off sides from which Halstead scored their last 2 goals. The ref also blew up every time we took a corner for an alleged offence against the keeper.

 

For the people who use this forum and are referres or linesman...Krooner and The Mounite..could you define the laws of the game for me. Can you be booked for asking the ref without shouting and swearing why someone was booked and also can you be booked or sent from the dug out for saying to the ref that you think his performance is terrible? Again without shouting or swearing.

 

My final comment and its something that summed up the afternoon. When we asked the ref why he was so bias and why he knew all their players by their first name he said he had looked at the team sheet beforehand. When we questioned him further he said that he looked at the Halstead website on a regular basis and knew some of their players!

 

At the end of the day if we had played to our ability we should have won this game. Make of it what you will and you may say its because we lost that we are so annoyed but on Saturday I truly felt like jacking it all in because of what I can honestly say was the worse refeeing performance I have ever seen. I would like to say good luck to Halstead in the next round and that they are a very nice club, made us welcome and were very honest in their opinions of the officials.

 

By the way, believe it or not I never got sent from the dug out!

[coupwotcoup]

I understand where you are coming from, but the nodding dogs will say: "Yeah they lost, so he will say that".

However it always amazes me how thousands of referees all over the world, who have all taken the same course(s), and all follow the same laws, do get things so wrong.

We all suffer at the hands of ineptitude and it is so frustrating. Heard our one had a 'mare at Lush Green on Saturday too.

But remember these wise words...One man's whistle is another man's 10inch penis... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/achso.gif" alt="" />

[Jenko]

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coupwotcoup said:
I understand where you are coming from, but the nodding dogs will say: "Yeah they lost, so he will say that".
However it always amazes me how thousands of referees all over the world, who have all taken the same course(s), and all follow the same laws, do get things so wrong.
We all suffer at the hands of ineptitude and it is so frustrating. Heard our one had a 'mare at Lush Green on Saturday too.
But remember these wise words...One man's whistle is another man's 10inch penis... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/achso.gif" alt="" />

Very good Coups! Missed another game did ya????

I'm not saying that refs done make genuine mistakes and sometimes they are just too unfit to keep up and make the right decisons. Sometimes they just don't understand football froma footballers perspective. BUT I'm not going to back down in my opinion that the ref on Saturday was a cheat. End of. His comments about going on their website etc really hit a raw nerve. With about 30mins to go he just ignored our players and refused to talk. Absolute CNNT!

[SPS]

He was poor yes but so were we - we got what we deserved - nothing!

I think he was a cheat but until we stop blaming everyone but ourselves we will continue to lose games.

I don't disagree with you about the ref Jenko - but surely you can see we need to start taking some responsibility for our own performances too??

[Jenko]

Totally agree mate. We never looked like we were up for it and we said before the game that we knew the ref would be against us and not to use that as an excuse. As I said in the post we were dismal and we deserved nothing. Too many players not at the races. We should have beat them comfortably mate. As you probably saw I didn't get invovled with the officials becaue I was more concerned with our own performance.

 

As you said the ref was a cheat but in fairness we've got to ask ourselves was it him or us who cost us the game.

 

By the way I thought you show great character on Saturday and dug in and tried to do other people's jobs. You also showed alot of pride and dignity going up to the officials after ans shaking their hand. I just couldn't bring myself to do that.

[SPS]

Had we performed & his performance cost us the game i don't think i could have shaken there hands but it wasn't down to them. The problem is if we keep blaming everyone else people don't sit down & look at themselves & how they performed - i'm including myself in those comments as well.

[Kaiser Jnr]

Sorry to hear if this was genuinelly the case EMFC...

 

Its a pretty long speech, so you must feel pretty strongly about it... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

 

It does sound a bit like "ahh f*ck it they beat us, lets have a moan" - but who I am I to acuse people of lying! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

 

Chin up EMFC... Mines milky with two sugars please mate! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Jenko]

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Kaiser Jnr said:
Sorry to hear if this was genuinelly the case EMFC...

Its a pretty long speech, so you must feel pretty strongly about it... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

It does sound a bit like "ahh f*ck it they beat us, lets have a moan" - but who I am I to acuse people of lying! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Chin up EMFC... Mines milky with two sugars please mate! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Kaiser I didn't blame the ref for the defeat thats my point. I'm saying that he was absolutley shocking but he didn't cost us the game. We should have had two penalties and the linesman didn't give two blatant offsides. But overall it was us and not the ref that cost us the game. Lets be fair win, lose or draw I'll always give my opinion on the referees and they are not just bad when we lose. This year has got to be the worse year for referring. I have never seen so many complaints about the officials.

SPS you don't need to look at yourself. You always give 100%. Others do need to look at themselves though!

[Krooner]

Not going to comment on your match EMFC as I clearly wasn't there.

 

In some games I officiate at I know a lot of the players and sometimes it can be from 1 side and not the other. From a player/coach side of things how do you think I should handle it. Should I call them by their names or pretend I don't know them. this is a serious question and I would like serious answers. Cue Kaiser and Smallsy.

[BOROMAN]

Looks like we both suffered on Saturday.

 

Our one did the usual......... ok for an hour then he went completley off the rails.

 

I am not talking debatable things I am talking things that 138 spectators, 22 players + subs and coaches saw one way and he saw the other. What makes it worse is that his linos don't have the bottle to disagree either.

[blind1]

EMFC - the ref you had on Saturday is a level 3. Therefore he normally referee's in the Ryman's and Conference South. Therefore is a better standard of ref than any ref you have had for your league games this season.

 

It is always difficult when a ref knows players on one team and not the other.

 

Of course refs have good, bad and indifferent days! (Same as players do). Unfortunately by the sheer nature of what a ref has to do he is going to upset one team!!! At the end of the day though, I do not believe that any ref is biased??? (even if it may seem it?).

 

As for refs looking on website's? What is wrong with them taking an interest in football clubs <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> surely this is a good thing???

[Jenko]

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Krooner said:
Not going to comment on your match EMFC as I clearly wasn't there.

In some games I officiate at I know a lot of the players and sometimes it can be from 1 side and not the other. From a player/coach side of things how do you think I should handle it. Should I call them by their names or pretend I don't know them. this is a serious question and I would like serious answers. Cue Kaiser and Smallsy.

Its ok to know players, coaches, managers etc but thats where the friendship needs to end. I know a few officials in the ESL that we have regulary and I have a chat with them. A few weeks ago we played Concord and the ref knew some of our players and although he was bad for both sides the Concord players said they felt a bit worried that he knew some of our boys.

Krooner refs and linesman are human and make mistakes which I can accept. Sometimes there's a reason for a bad decision i.e. bad view, lack of fitness to keep up, not understanding the footballers point of view etc. That happens and when it happens to both sides you can just say the ref was bad.

However on Saturday I did question the integrity of the ref. It wasn't that he was just chatting to the Halstead players it was that it knew them well. Why didn't he come up to our management, players etc before the game and chat as well? It doesn't matter if he knew us or not it just makes you feel more respect towards the ref.

I can honestly say Krooner that I thought that the ref and linesman cheated. Even Halstead fans said he was poor and very bias. I mean when I questioned the lino and he ignored me and then the next time he is in action he doesn't give a blatant off side for which he was right in line it makes you wonder. I'm not saying they cost us the game but refs like him cannot do what they did on Saturday and get away with it. I am in the process of writing a letter to the FA and Essex FA afer I got the officials names to complain about their performance. It got so bad that in the end our players were turning to the ref before he even blew laughing knowing full well he was going to blow and then book them. I mean some of the bookings were just shocking. How can you book a player for asking a question?

[Jenko]

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EMFC - the ref you had on Saturday is a level 3. Therefore he normally referee's in the Ryman's and Conference South. Therefore is a better standard of ref than any ref you have had for your league games this season.

It is always difficult when a ref knows players on one team and not the other.

Of course refs have good, bad and indifferent days! (Same as players do). Unfortunately by the sheer nature of what a ref has to do he is going to upset one team!!! At the end of the day though, I do not believe that any ref is biased??? (even if it may seem it?).

As for refs looking on website's? What is wrong with them taking an interest in football clubs <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> surely this is a good thing???

You are kidding me? That ref was the worse ref I have seen this season and by far the worse performance I think I have ever seen. Yes look at websites but don't say you look at it regularly, ask players how their injuries are etc yet totally ignore the other team. We have an excellent website why didn't he look at that?

Can someone please answer this question, probably you Krooner. Can you be booked for asking a question without swearing or shouting? Or for saying you think the ref has had a poor game? Thats all our player did. He was unsighted when someone was booked and asked the ref what the offence was and the ref booked him. Then when the ref comes over and sends someone from the dugout for saying he is poor whats that all about?

[TB&G]

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Krooner said:
Not going to comment on your match EMFC as I clearly wasn't there.

In some games I officiate at I know a lot of the players and sometimes it can be from 1 side and not the other. From a player/coach side of things how do you think I should handle it. Should I call them by their names or pretend I don't know them. this is a serious question and I would like serious answers. Cue Kaiser and Smallsy.

Altho not directly involved in the particular point in hand I do feel qualified to make comment as my team have suffered many times this season from what appeared to be over dramatic refereeing decisions.

In my view Krooner when you officiate in a game where the club or certain players (perhaps even on both sides) are involved are known to you socially you should appear to behave as if you have just arrived from outer space and know nothing about the environment in which you are spending the next two hours or so of your life and if anyone who is known to you on either side attempts to make personal contact in any way whatsoever you should treat him as tho you do not know him which (if he has any sense)he will respond to by intelligently understanding the difficult situation his action may be putting you under.

[Krooner]

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Trueblueandgold said:

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Krooner said:
Not going to comment on your match EMFC as I clearly wasn't there.

In some games I officiate at I know a lot of the players and sometimes it can be from 1 side and not the other. From a player/coach side of things how do you think I should handle it. Should I call them by their names or pretend I don't know them. this is a serious question and I would like serious answers. Cue Kaiser and Smallsy.

Altho not directly involved in the particular point in hand I do feel qualified to make comment as my team have suffered many times this season from what appeared to be over dramatic refereeing decisions.

In my view Krooner when you officiate in a game where the club or certain players (perhaps even on both sides) are involved are known to you socially you should appear to behave as if you have just arrived from outer space and know nothing about the environment in which you are spending the next two hours or so of your life and if anyone who is known to you on either side attempts to make personal contact in any way whatsoever you should treat him as tho you do not know him which (if he has any sense)he will respond to by intelligently understanding the difficult situation his action may be putting you under.

Fair comment TBG. I always make a point of knowing the captains name and within 5 minutes I can almost guarantee that I will know 3 or 4 others and it does seem to scare some of them when I use their first names.

[Krooner]

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blind1 said:
EMFC - the ref you had on Saturday is a level 3. Therefore he normally referee's in the Ryman's and Conference South. Therefore is a better standard of ref than any ref you have had for your league games this season.

It is always difficult when a ref knows players on one team and not the other.

Of course refs have good, bad and indifferent days! (Same as players do). Unfortunately by the sheer nature of what a ref has to do he is going to upset one team!!! At the end of the day though, I do not believe that any ref is biased??? (even if it may seem it?).

As for refs looking on website's? What is wrong with them taking an interest in football clubs <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> surely this is a good thing???

You are kidding me? That ref was the worse ref I have seen this season and by far the worse performance I think I have ever seen. Yes look at websites but don't say you look at it regularly, ask players how their injuries are etc yet totally ignore the other team. We have an excellent website why didn't he look at that?

Can someone please answer this question, probably you Krooner. Can you be booked for asking a question without swearing or shouting? Or for saying you think the ref has had a poor game? Thats all our player did. He was unsighted when someone was booked and asked the ref what the offence was and the ref booked him. Then when the ref comes over and sends someone from the dugout for saying he is poor whats that all about?

Again EMFC it is difficult to answer because I do not know the exact circumstances. If it is the first time they have said anything then it does sound harsh. If it is the 5th or 6th time they have made comment then it is probably deserved.

[Jenko]

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Krooner said:
Not going to comment on your match EMFC as I clearly wasn't there.

In some games I officiate at I know a lot of the players and sometimes it can be from 1 side and not the other. From a player/coach side of things how do you think I should handle it. Should I call them by their names or pretend I don't know them. this is a serious question and I would like serious answers. Cue Kaiser and Smallsy.

Altho not directly involved in the particular point in hand I do feel qualified to make comment as my team have suffered many times this season from what appeared to be over dramatic refereeing decisions.

In my view Krooner when you officiate in a game where the club or certain players (perhaps even on both sides) are involved are known to you socially you should appear to behave as if you have just arrived from outer space and know nothing about the environment in which you are spending the next two hours or so of your life and if anyone who is known to you on either side attempts to make personal contact in any way whatsoever you should treat him as tho you do not know him which (if he has any sense)he will respond to by intelligently understanding the difficult situation his action may be putting you under.

I agree but I also think refs should beforehand talk to the management set up of both clubs to break the ice. I also think when they do their walk around before the game and the players are out there they should just stop and chat. I tell you when refs do that you think at least you can talk to them. I make a point of going into the dressing room before each game and shaking the officials hands. I don't pre-judge them but as a club we sometimes feel we are pre-judged.

TBG was you at the game when you beat us 6-2? The ref didn't influence the game but I was chatting to some Romford fans and we all agreed the ref was shocking.

[Jenko]

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blind1 said:
EMFC - the ref you had on Saturday is a level 3. Therefore he normally referee's in the Ryman's and Conference South. Therefore is a better standard of ref than any ref you have had for your league games this season.

It is always difficult when a ref knows players on one team and not the other.

Of course refs have good, bad and indifferent days! (Same as players do). Unfortunately by the sheer nature of what a ref has to do he is going to upset one team!!! At the end of the day though, I do not believe that any ref is biased??? (even if it may seem it?).

As for refs looking on website's? What is wrong with them taking an interest in football clubs <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> surely this is a good thing???

You are kidding me? That ref was the worse ref I have seen this season and by far the worse performance I think I have ever seen. Yes look at websites but don't say you look at it regularly, ask players how their injuries are etc yet totally ignore the other team. We have an excellent website why didn't he look at that?

Can someone please answer this question, probably you Krooner. Can you be booked for asking a question without swearing or shouting? Or for saying you think the ref has had a poor game? Thats all our player did. He was unsighted when someone was booked and asked the ref what the offence was and the ref booked him. Then when the ref comes over and sends someone from the dugout for saying he is poor whats that all about?

Again EMFC it is difficult to answer because I do not know the exact circumstances. If it is the first time they have said anything then it does sound harsh. If it is the 5th or 6th time they have made comment then it is probably deserved.

Fair enough Krooner. I can be a bit excitable sometimes but the player in question is very quiet and it was just a genuine question. It wasn't like he was constantly giving verbal to the ref it was just a question. What annoyed me more was that the ref missed the most obvious offence all day and that was the tackle that left our playing in a heap and having to be subbed.

[Krooner]

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Trueblueandgold said:

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Krooner said:
Not going to comment on your match EMFC as I clearly wasn't there.

In some games I officiate at I know a lot of the players and sometimes it can be from 1 side and not the other. From a player/coach side of things how do you think I should handle it. Should I call them by their names or pretend I don't know them. this is a serious question and I would like serious answers. Cue Kaiser and Smallsy.

Altho not directly involved in the particular point in hand I do feel qualified to make comment as my team have suffered many times this season from what appeared to be over dramatic refereeing decisions.

In my view Krooner when you officiate in a game where the club or certain players (perhaps even on both sides) are involved are known to you socially you should appear to behave as if you have just arrived from outer space and know nothing about the environment in which you are spending the next two hours or so of your life and if anyone who is known to you on either side attempts to make personal contact in any way whatsoever you should treat him as tho you do not know him which (if he has any sense)he will respond to by intelligently understanding the difficult situation his action may be putting you under.

I agree but I also think refs should beforehand talk to the management set up of both clubs to break the ice. I also think when they do their walk around before the game and the players are out there they should just stop and chat. I tell you when refs do that you think at least you can talk to them. I make a point of going into the dressing room before each game and shaking the officials hands. I don't pre-judge them but as a club we sometimes feel we are pre-judged.

TBG was you at the game when you beat us 6-2? The ref didn't influence the game but I was chatting to some Romford fans and we all agreed the ref was shocking.

I tend to agree with that general principle. It is a 2 way thing though. The management are more than welcome to approach officials first. The difficult thing with players and making small talk before a game is that some are receptive and others are not and that in it's self can cause problems. I like a bit of banter on the pitch as long as the players can take it as well as dish it out.

[Jenko]

I totally agree with you Krooner. Some players have the attitude.....'its them against us'...but you'll find alot of players like a ref you can have a laugh and a joke. The worse refs are the ones that book players or send them off for swearing. If you swear at the ref i.e. You are a c**t then you deserve to go. But if you swear about a decision i.e. what the f**k is that for ref then you don't deserve a booking.

 

It is tough I know Krooner and if some players spoke to me like they do to the refs then I would hit them. But on Saturday all I can say is that the ref wasn't bad in terms of making bad decisions but a cheat in the way he treated us.