Football Club

[hotspur]

It would seem that the end is nearly here for my beloved football club.What was once a great non league club with many successes and tremendous support down the years especially in the sixties and early seventies, where crowds of 4,000 plus would turn out for a mid-week league encounter against Dagenham,and 9,000 plus crowds against Skelmesdale-Wycombe-Hillindon Borough in the cup matches.

There is really only one entity to blame for all this, and that is the council, both the present shower and the last labour council, for it was they who sold the lease to those "cry babies" the Thornes.Had the council had the guts and foresight to have kept the lease we would still have had a ground at Wexham Park.Also had they kept some kind of say in the club as a whole-like at Stevenage etc, then we would not be in this position.How can a major town like Slough not have a decent football team, its nothing short of scandalous, and at the next election, as much publicity as possible must expose the council for what it is.

ps. did not roy merryweather oversee the demise of wokingham fc. allegedly ? and did not deaner bring newbury fc. to a close allegedly ?

[Guest]

Nonsense. If the Council hadn't agreed to offer Mayfair the opportunity to buy the freehold at a point in the future, STFC would have been kicked out years earlier.

 

Accuse the Council (all parties) of being unhelpful and/or incompetent but blame only lies in one area.

[Barry Scott]

It was also the council that funded the building of Wexham Park when the club was booted out of the Dolphin, but we'll gloss over that minor point

[hotspur]

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Anonymous said:
Nonsense. If the Council hadn't agreed to offer Mayfair the opportunity to buy the freehold at a point in the future, STFC would have been kicked out years earlier.

Accuse the Council (all parties) of being unhelpful and/or incompetent but blame only lies in one area.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't part of the original lease the fact that the Thornes had to provide football at Wexham Park ? At least that is what was put into the public domain-still if you have some undisclosed knowledge to the contrary then all that was said of the lease was lies then!
No the major stumbling block other than planning permission was that the Thornes wanted the council to help them foot the bill, and rather than do a WYCOMBE AND STRIVE TO GET IN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE, where crowds would have increased as they have at Yeovil,Wycombe and Cheltenham( and I am convinced we could have matched any of their attendances )they decided to throw their toys out of the pram( not put in a measley 40 seats)and watch the club go to ruination-now that they have the lease.Lets all pray that they never get planning permission for their intented building plans.

[Barry Scott]

So the council didn't turn up with said seats and found that the ground was locked did they, only to be re-opened when the FA inspectors turned up?

[hotspur]

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Barry_Scott said:
So the council didn't turn up with said seats and found that the ground was locked did they, only to be re-opened when the FA inspectors turned up?

If you cannot understand the message above, and can only answer posts in riddles( or enlighten us as to what your on about)then please stick with the Beano comics.

[Barry Scott]

Well the council did turn up with the necessary seats and equipment and workers to do the work. The Thornes locked the ground until the FA Ground Inspectors were due to arrive so the work could not be carried out, hence Wexham Park failing the ground grading and ourselves getting kicked out of the conference. Is that clear enough for you, or are you complete numpty?

[Guest]

Mayfair (not the Thorne's) might have had to provide a facility for football, which they have as the stadium is still there, but the provision of football itself is the responsibility of the club. Ask yourself why STFC weren't evicted during the many years of unpaid bills and rent?

 

The Council, who you accuse of doing nothing to help, were actually the one's to negotiate STFC staying at WP for several years on the proviso that Mayfair would get an opportunity to acquire the freehold.

 

The only thing that the Council in Wycombe did was to allow the football club to purchase the land where the new stadium is now situated. The finance came from the several millions of pounds WWFC got for selling their old site. Ask yourself....if SBC said to STFC, here's a piece of land that is suitable, how do you think the club could buy it if they can't even find a couple of thousand for wages?

 

Blaming the Council for this mess is as misguided as STFC blaming this forum for player unrest. It's called deflecting the blame from those that have f*cked it up themselves.

[Martin]

We are in a mess for so many different reasons. The Lease at Wexham Park should never have ended up in the hands of Mayfair and that is squarely the football clubs fault.

[hotspur]

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Barry_Scott said:
Well the council did turn up with the necessary seats and equipment and workers to do the work. The Thornes locked the ground until the FA Ground Inspectors were due to arrive so the work could not be carried out, hence Wexham Park failing the ground grading and ourselves getting kicked out of the conference. Is that clear enough for you, or are you complete numpty?

Tell me, why did the council have the seats, when the club was owned by the Thornes at that time-as I said before its their fault that we are now in this position.They supposedly brought the club as a football club then tried to get others to help pay for the running of it, maybe if they had left us alone some other person could have bought it and made a success of it.

[Barry Scott]

At the time The Thornes had a LEASE on Wexham Park and the council had the FREEHOLD[/b} meaning the Thornes were renting it from the council. When the club was kicked out of the conference and Deaner picked up the pieces a deal was brokered that the Thornes could buy the freehold in five years as it was assumed that Deaner would try and arrange for a new stadium to be built or get an extenstion of which he did neither.

 

But the point is you were blaming the council to start with, but have now switched to blaming the Thornes. At least try and keep a coherent argument together...

[hotspur]

I am very sorry Barry Scott, it seems you are a youngster and don't understand freehold and leasehold.If you own a flat on leasehold ground-all work to do with your flat is your problem,unless it says so on the lease.So you are not trying to tell me the Thornes spent all that money on the car park and the clubhouse and the golf range if originally they did not own that part-so they were respnsible for the seats in the stadium.If they belonged to the council why were they laying in the grass for years.

[Guest]

Do you remember typing this... "There is really only one entity to blame for all this, and that is the council?

[Barry Scott]

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hotspur said:
I am very sorry Barry Scott, it seems you are a youngster and don't understand freehold and leasehold.If you own a flat on leasehold ground-all work to do with your flat is your problem,unless it says so on the lease.So you are not trying to tell me the Thornes spent all that money on the car park and the clubhouse and the golf range if originally they did not own that part-so they were respnsible for the seats in the stadium.If they belonged to the council why were they laying in the grass for years.

So why is that the council's fault as Ian has pointed it out? Why have you forgotten your own argument in the space of just a few hours? I may be young, but at least I'm not as clearly senile and deluded as you are

[Bernie Gogan]

Well this thread has really helped resolve our problems..........

 

Thornes dumped the club, because the council wouldn't/couldn't help finance development.

 

Deaner hasn't had co-operation from the council to help find another site, barring the ill fated Kennedy Park scheme, which was stopped in its tracks when the BILLD coalition took over SBC.

 

The worst thing the football club did was have the ambition to get into the Conference, because that's what eventually started the decline, what let in the Thornes. Don't get me wrong the Conference years were great, but were the pinnacle from which we've fallen, because basically we couldn't afford it.

 

When the STST finally gets control will be a new start.........

[Roger Rebel]

There is another point you have not mentioned is how the Thornes got involved in the first place. We were a club that was erning money every day of the week yet we ended up £90,000 in dept no one as ever explained how that happened.

[Guest]

Everone is right ..many mistakes have been made surrounding STFC , past and present..but without loacl support in one way or another is killing off the club we all love..

 

The biggest thing at the moment is not having a home ......

 

and all the speculation and hindsighted comments are great but we all need to move on...

 

The biggest challange is to get us through this season if no light at the end of the tunnel as for some progress on and off the field we seriously need to ask the supporters for the next step...

 

lets move on... cheers chris

[Guest]

Not a member so cant log in as such-first time I have ever posted on here despite a connection with the club.

 

I know this anathema to some but I have recently overheard fan conversatios who would support a merger with Windsor.Isnt there now some sense-they have the ground , we have a fan base, we both have a reasonable non league status-most of all without something dramatic happening our future looks sad.

 

There can be arguments about is it Slough and Windsor or Windsor and Slough(with or without the Eton !)-the athletic club is WSE and has respect in that sport so.. maybe ?

[Roger Rebel]

I would rather see the team fold.

[Guest]

I think Roger is right...