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B*gger my old boots ! Never satisfied some people ! What do you suggest..The Mona Lisa ? everyone can identify with that....and maybe have Liam's head on it instead of hers ?? Or maybe Harry J posing as Britania ?? or maybe you would like to do one yourself...with a man U prawn sandwich on ? Ha !!

 

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oh....and if anyone cares...I downloaded it and there are now a couple adorning the walls of The Central....sorry Ascot Arms. They seemed to like it !

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B*gger my old boots ! Never satisfied some people ! What do you suggest..The Mona Lisa ? everyone can identify with that....and maybe have Liam's head on it instead of hers ?? Or maybe Harry J posing as Britania ?? or maybe you would like to do one yourself...with a man U prawn sandwich on ? Ha !!

Cheers,

oh....and if anyone cares...I downloaded it and there are now a couple adorning the walls of The Central....sorry Ascot Arms. They seemed to like it !


Try reading my post again, rationally.

Great two or three posters in one pub. Thats really going to get the attendance up isn't it??? Surely the ideal situation is that the landlord of the Ascot Arms downloads and displays his own posters each week and not depend on a club supporter doing it for him/her.

Ultimately, surely the intention has to be that posters go up in as many premises as is possible, not just a few in premises that are visited by those that can be bothered to visit this forum.

The comments that I have made are critical yes, but also very valid and are also trying to offer encouragement. The reality is that using the amount of ink that this first design will use, businesses will just not bother.

Try taking a look at the St. Albans site. Their posters are simple, clear and quite clearly work, with in the region of 50 to 60 regular downloaders.

It would be excellent if 50 or 60 posters regularly appeared around Gravesham. Not just in pubs, but the windows of retail shops, supermarkets, petrol stations, chip shops, takeaways, canteen notice boards etc. I'm afraid the initial attempt to create a 'Fleet poster will not achieve this.
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B*gger my old boots ! Never satisfied some people ! What do you suggest..The Mona Lisa ? everyone can identify with that....and maybe have Liam's head on it instead of hers ?? Or maybe Harry J posing as Britania ?? or maybe you would like to do one yourself...with a man U prawn sandwich on ? Ha !!

Cheers,

oh....and if anyone cares...I downloaded it and there are now a couple adorning the walls of The Central....sorry Ascot Arms. They seemed to like it !


Try reading my post again, rationally.

Great two or three posters in one pub. Thats really going to get the attendance up isn't it??? Surely the ideal situation is that the landlord of the Ascot Arms downloads and displays his own posters each week and not depend on a club supporter doing it for him/her.

Ultimately, surely the intention has to be that posters go up in as many premises as is possible, not just a few in premises that are visited by those that can be bothered to visit this forum.

The comments that I have made are critical yes, but also very valid and are also trying to offer encouragement. The reality is that using the amount of ink that this first design will use, businesses will just not bother.

Try taking a look at the St. Albans site. Their posters are simple, clear and quite clearly work, with in the region of 50 to 60 regular downloaders.

It would be excellent if 50 or 60 posters regularly appeared around Gravesham. Not just in pubs, but the windows of retail shops, supermarkets, petrol stations, chip shops, takeaways, canteen notice boards etc. I'm afraid the initial attempt to create a 'Fleet poster will not achieve this.



I read it rationally the first time. I set out my further comments below:-

a) I cannot imagine pub landlords doing a poster download themselves, unless they are avid fans of GNFC. These may number 3 or 4 in the borough. I think your average pub landlord/lady may have a bit more on their plate than to download posters. Personally, I didn't mind doing it.

B) Yes, the poster alone won't get an additional 1,000 people through the gate, but in the case of my pub, there are quite a few lads who take an interest so I am trying to convert that interest into bums on seats ( or terracing ). For your information, I have a small band of 8 or 9 casuals that I have persuaded to attend. Hopefully I will get more. Just imagine if we all brought 8 or 9 people with us !! Hmmmm !

c) This poster was a fans things by the fans in an attempt to do their bit. The ultimate responsibility for publicising the fixtures, by posters or otherwise, surely rests with the Commercial Manager, Greg Bettles. You may wish to address your thoughts to him ?

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The idea of making the posters available on line, is surely to encourage as many individuals, companies, shop keepers, publicans etc. etc. to regularly download a poster and put it on display in their premises.


I disagree... as Hirsty said, the likelihood of any publican, etc, downloading a poster unless they're avid Fleet fans is minimal.

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Because of the colour content, I cannot see many people taking the trouble to download it on a regular basis, which is obviously what is needed and should be encouraged, purely because of the cost. Each poster will almost empty a colour cartridge


You may have a point, as I acknowledged in my original post on the subject here:
Printing posters

Originally, I'd hoped, as I said in that post, that they could be professionally printed in return for sponsorship/logo on the posters, then picked up and distributed by fans without the need for them to print posters themselves. That said, my average inkjet coped reasonably well with them and used not even a quarter of a cartridge, let alone a full one. But I accept that, yes, it is heavier on the ink demands than a simple black and white poster.

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Once again, take a look at the St. Albans site and you will see the type of businesses that download and display their match posters.


That list is the businesses that DISPLAY the poster, where you've got your information from that they're downloading them themselves as well, I don't know. I think it's more than likely fans have distributed the posters to these businesses and premises themselves.

I accept your point about potential printing difficulties, but if someone was able to do them professionally (which is not a mammoth cost, maybe even the club could pay), then there's no reason why they can't be displayed in as many businesses as St Albans.

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Try taking a look at the St. Albans site. Their posters are simple, clear and quite clearly work


Indeed, but my initial attempt was to try and do something a bit different, more professional and more eye-catching rather than the plain old fixture list on a wall that wouldn't necessarily stop anyone in their tracks. I may well be wide of the mark, and it may not fulfill its purpose at all, but something a bit different may stop someone who's thinking "what's that all about?" rather than just "Oh, there's the local club's fixture list on a black and white photocopy as usual". No harm in trying it, is there?

I'm more than happy to field remarks on this and can certainly adapt in future posters for clarity's sake. But the St Albans poster is -in my opinion - just a tad boring and one that I'm sure every casual fan who thinks the Fleet are run out of someone's back bedroom has seen before.
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And from a 'marketing the club' point of view, it's a top quality production.

If printed professionally, etc - for that, well done. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/applaus.gif" alt="" />

 

However, from a print at home point of view, it's a nightmare.

How long before most people decide the sheer volume of ink it's using, etc., isn't a cost that's viable for them?

 

St.Albans poster has the right idea, but there are ways that it could be improved.

 

With a little assistance from www.gnfc.co.uk, I have an effort.

 

I've left this saturday's fixture off of it though, as 1 day isn't much time to advertise.

 

As soon as I find a suitable hosting site, I'll put it up to see what you think.

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OK.... You have to wait 20 seconds then choose to open from the internet or save to your pc first.

Click Here.

 

It's actually similar to some efforts I created last season I think.

 

For the record, I think putting any poster in pubs is a waste of time. The majority of people who regularly frequent these places are likely to be in them on a saturday afternoon too.

 

What's needed is to find some shops in the town centre willing to display a poster on a regular basis. That way more people every day may just see them.

 

Just my thoughts anyway.

 

See you saturday hopefully.....

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OK.... You have to wait 20 seconds then choose to open from the internet or save to your pc first.
Click Here.

It's actually similar to some efforts I created last season I think.

For the record, I think putting any poster in pubs is a waste of time. The majority of people who regularly frequent these places are likely to be in them on a saturday afternoon too.

What's needed is to find some shops in the town centre willing to display a poster on a regular basis. That way more people every day may just see them.

Just my thoughts anyway.

See you saturday hopefully.....


Far better, a lot clearer, contains far less colour, is less 'busy' and cluttered and is therefore far more likely to be downloaded and more importantly far more likely to be used, on a regular basis.

I would suggest however that the club bit at the top be made slightly narrower and the match details, ie who the opposition is, made larger and with perhaps only the next 2 or 3 games included.

Possibly include the Nationwide Conference logo also?
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(i) it's more than likely fans have distributed the posters to these businesses and premises themselves.


(ii) Indeed, but my initial attempt was to try and do something a bit different, more professional and more eye-catching rather than the plain old fixture list on a wall that wouldn't necessarily stop anyone in their tracks. I may well be wide of the mark, and it may not fulfill its purpose at all, but something a bit different may stop someone who's thinking "what's that all about?" rather than just "Oh, there's the local club's fixture list on a black and white photocopy as usual". No harm in trying it, is there?



To answer your points White Bucket:-

(i) If that is the case and you are probably right that it is their supporters that are doing both the downloading and distribution, surely that is all the more reason to make the posters simple, clear and cheap to download.

Incidently that does not mean that they have to look cheap either.

(ii) Plain and simple works, just take a look around as to what other clubs do. If its too complicated, people just won't bother read to them.

Because of work I travel up and down the UK week in, week out and if not all but certainly the majority of match posters that I have seen displayed have always been plain, simple yet effective. Just a glance from a passer by and I've seen the posters as I drive past in my car, should tell the reader all they need to know. The reality is that you don't want and won't get too many people going up to a poster and standing there, taking time to actually read them, people just don't bother. Why do you think giant advertising hoardings are so uncluttered? when was the last time you saw anyone standing in front an advertising hoarding actually reading what is being said/advertised?

Please don't take my comments so much too heart. We are both, quite clearly trying to do what is best for the club and to attract those all important missing/new supporters. I could well be wrong in all of my comments, but I honestly believe to attain 'mass' distribution of the match posters and if they are to be downloaded by the clubs supporters then they need to be clear, simple and cheap to download.

And before anyone suggests otherwise, No I don't mean it's because the Fleets supporters are clear and simple!

Perhaps our new media partner, the Messenger Group, could also be encouraged to download posters and distribute them with deliveries of their newspapers to all newsagents in the area???
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Far better, a lot clearer, contains far less colour, is less 'busy' and cluttered and is therefore far more likely to be downloaded and more importantly far more likely to be used, on a regular basis.

I would suggest however that the club bit at the top be made slightly narrower and the match details, ie who the opposition is, made larger and with perhaps only the next 2 or 3 games included.

Possibly include the Nationwide Conference logo also?
I included a forth match as the 3rd and 4th matches on the list are so close together over the festive period.

As for the sizing, it looks fab on A1 but the poster is then far too large!

I have printed some of these on A1 paper, but 2 to a page, as it were.

Seeing as it is the works A1 printer, I can't do too many (have got 10 so far.)

That makes them about 4 times the size of A4, btw.

If anybody knows of good locations willing to display these then you're welcome to take them.

I'll drop them off at some stage to the club office.
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Maybe the poster was a bit "too much" but its still a great idea. If only 5 people download it and stick it up in 10 locations and 10 people turn up thats another £120 plus through the gate.

 

A one or two colour poster made accessible can only help get punters through the gate.

 

I did a simple one in A4 for people to put in pubs, staff rooms etc etc

 

http://www.pvr.co.uk/wings/Upcoming_oct-nov.pdf

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There was obviously a lot of discussion about making match posters available via a download from the club's official website.

 

I have noticed that the original poster, the initial attempt and which was the basis for the debate on this thread, has yet to be updated.

 

All I would like to say on the matter is that if it is not updated on a regular basis, then what was the point in raising the subject in the first place.

 

I believe that making match posters available in this way is a great wat of getting distribution of posters around the town, providing they are done regularly and those distributing the posters are aware of their availability.

 

It works at other clubs, why can't it work for G&N???

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I suspect that after you took it upon yourself to tell everyone else what was wrong with their efforts, everyone was waiting for you to produce the ultimate poster that would have the crowds flocking back.

 

I even thought about e-mailing you to find out when to expect the next poster, until I realised.. Those who can do, those who can't tell everyone else where they are going wrong.

 

Ed has now produced an updated poster available for download here please feel free to print and distribute.

 

Oh and Mr Pearce, if you have any more thoughtson the design keep them to yourself eh!

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