EDGWARE TOWN v HAREFIELD UNITED

[HTFCew]

No it wouldn't - Edgware & Harefield would have only played 8 games each.

[ORACLE]

Someone needs to learn to add up?

Edgware and Harefield would officially have only played 8 games

[blues06]

give horace a break, he has put the effort in to show us the revised table!!

[Horace]

Alright, I cocked it up! The real programme adjusts all the columns properly - I got the goal differences wrong as well! Amended version coming up!

[Sharming Paula]

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Horace said:
Alright, I cocked it up! The real programme adjusts all the columns properly - I got the goal differences wrong as well! Amended version coming up!

Are they all having a go at you Horace???
Do you want me to sort them out??? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bisou.gif" alt="" />

[Horace]

Yes please Paula <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bawling.gif" alt="" /> Was distracted by something else I was doing!

[Sharming Paula]

LEAVE HORACE ALONE YOU NASTY NASTY PEOPLE!!!!

He was only trying to be helpful.

He seems like a very nice man - he dont deserve all these horrid posts.

 

Is that alright Horace??

[Horace]

Nice, Paula, thanks. Hope you win big at GW Rovers tomorrow. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bisou.gif" alt="" />

[GRS67]

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If it were changed, would look like this, Gav!

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Thanks Horace, that looks good <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> unless you have anything to do with Harefield, in which case you are prob on the phone to the FA right now pleading with them to get the three points back

[Krooner]

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Paula said:
LEAVE HORACE ALONE YOU NASTY NASTY PEOPLE!!!!
He was only trying to be helpful.
He seems like a very nice man - he dont deserve all these horrid posts.

Is that alright Horace??

I have never popped at Horace. He poured me a drink once. Although I feel it may of been through gritted teeth !

[Horace]

Luv you really, Kroons! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

[Krooner]

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Luv you really, Kroons! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

Hey missing you guys.

[Horace]

Been some good games this season, even better than the 3-5 with Edgware last year.

Nice to see Camberley doing a lot better - do you everget off work to watch them?

[GRS67]

it will be March before the points are taken away from them - if indeed they are

 

Horace....why do you think it wont be till March? any reason

[Lato]

I'm surprised that this is the decision that has been taken as it does set a dangerous precident. Okay the referee got the laws of the game wrong but I still think the result should stand as it is. Nothing personal Gav against Edgware just my take on it.

 

Be interesting to see when the 'great' (copyright applied for by Rhodes) Phil Rolt reschedules the game for

[HTFCew]

The ref in our game against Aylesbury Vale (which we lost) also got rule 14 wrong. Maybe we should appeal for a replay?

[GRS67]

Did you have a pen that you scored from and was not ordred to be retaken? How come we have not heard about this before? Can you explain the exact details?

[GRS67]

From the another site...

 

As mentioned in other threads, the matches between Boldmere and Friar Lane, Edgware and Harefield and last year between Uzbekistan and Bahrain featured referees making incorrect decisions when players (defending team) encroached the box during a penalty. In these incidents, rather than ordering the penalty to be retaken, the ref instead awarded a free kick to the defenders. The FA's in charge of these respective games then classed the results void and ordered the matches replayed (in fact, the Uzbeks requested a replay having won the initial game 1-0 - then lost out on the aggregate of the replay and the 2nd leg so would have been better off not having the replay!)

 

What I don't understand is how for most other decisions, the ref's decision is final, whereas in these situations they can be overturned? There seems to be a huge amount of inconsistency.

 

Ben Thatcher's elbow incident is a case in point. Because the ref only gave a yellow card at the time, the punishment could not be upgraded to a red card retrospectively. The refs decision was final. Yet, many red cards are later overturned by appeal panels. These incidents relate to matters of the referees opinion and judgement rather than the letter of the law and perhaps do not affect the outcome of the game like a missed or scored penalty would so perhaps they shoulf be reviewable and overturnable/upgradable by a panel, yet this was not the case for the Thatcher incident.

 

Another example then, goalkeepers have been sent off for handling the ball outside of the area (a rigid law) yet TV replays show that the incident actually happened inside the box, so no foul was committed (Exeter vs Hereford 2004-5). Like the penalty decisions, this did affect the outcome of the game as Hereford scored the resulting free kick, Exeter played 45mins with 10 men and the result was 0-1. Yet the decision was not overturned and the result stood, even though a incorrect decision by the ref cost Exeter points. Exeter are not the only team to have lost out in this way and other similar incidents are plentiful - the Spurs 'goal' vs Manchester United, for example. By the laws of the game the ball crossed the line, therefore it should have been a goal, even though the ref got it wrong. Why was that match not ordered to be replayed?

 

So, why then are these recent replay decisions allowed and what makes them different to the above situations?

 

1) There's no guarantee the penalty would be scored anyway

2) There's no guarantee the team that feels like their losing out is going to get the outcome they want (and could end up worse off)

3) There are plenty of other incorrect decisions that ref's make that change the outcome of a game which are not 'replayed'

4) If a ref's decision is final, regardless of whether it's a judgement call (Thatcher) or a black and white right or wrong call (penalty infingements, Spurs goal), why are these on-the-field decisions not final?

 

If this does become a standard procedure, is it not going to open the floodgates for any other kind of refereeing mistake, which would affect the outcome of a game, to require a replay?

 

I am certain that Exeter and certainly Spurs would have stronger cases for being granted a replay than the replays we're seeing now.

My understanding is that if the ref made an error in applying the laws incorrectly, then the match can be replayed.

 

If the referee's interpretation of, say, a foul is called into question then that is a matter of opinion and the match will not be replayed.

 

If we start using TV evidence, that again opens up another whole can of worms and is unlikely to be implemented in any great way as only a relatively few games are televised. Granted these are the games where there is most money at stake but whatt about all the matches that are played wihout TV cameras in attendance.

 

This has happened in an MFA game between Boldmere and Friar Lane as well. The league have ordered the game be replayed on that occasion also.

[Krooner]

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Horace said:
Been some good games this season, even better than the 3-5 with Edgware last year.
Nice to see Camberley doing a lot better - do you everget off work to watch them?

Seen 4 so far this season so doing ok. 1 win, 2 draws and a defeat. Playing ok but so many youngsters always leads to inconsistence.

[HTFCew]

In our game, there was encroachment whilst the player was in the middle of his run up to take the kick. The ref stopped him, which he shouldn't have done, and made him retake it. He was put off by this and the keeper saved it - maybe he had an idea which way the ball was going to go from the dummy run. See http://www.hertfordtownfc.co.uk/aylesbury_vale_home_16_9.htm for full report.