Bloke in the Reporter who had his car broken into...

[Harry J Allstars]

Never miss a trick do you WVN/QCS? The team are doing well, Daish hasn't put a foot wrong and the club are doing well on all fronts.

 

The first opportuinty you get to slag them off and you take it. Is it the clubs responsability to supply lighting 500 yards outside the ground? No. Is it their responsability to supply patrol's outside the ground? No. Is it the car owners responsability to make sure he takes anything valuable out of his car before leaving home and once he parks his car anything he can't take with him he makes sure is safely looked away as well as possible? Yes. How can you blame the club (again)?

 

If anyone is to blame then it should be in the following order. 1 Satan 2 The thieving little git that did it 3 The Council 4 The police 5 The car owner 6 The kids parents 7 Crimestopers 8 Everybody else 9 The Club.

 

These things happen, rather then getting all worked up over it it's best to just move on and get on with you life.

[Fleet4Ever]

Agreed, it's not the clubs fault but as Slarti said, it is indeed the clubs problem.

[Harry J Allstars]

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Slartibartfast said:
The point that many of the posters on here seem to miss is that this is not an isolated incident, cars are broken into along the bypass at most night games.
It is not Fleet supporters vandalising opposition cars it is thieves stealing radios because they know what time the driver will return.
As someone who parks along that road at every game I can tell you that very few cars turn up with just the driver, if I stop going to matches because my car has been vandalised so do my children and their friends.
This is a serious issue and comments like 'Its his fault' and 'He comes from Kings Farm so the car was probably stolen anyway' are not a huge help. The club struggles enough to attract new supporters without losing existing supporters due to crime in the area.
It may not be the clubs fault but it is the clubs problem and it needs to be resolved.

I take your point Slarti, if it is happening again and again and again then it is a concern for the club if people use this as a way of not coming back. All the club can do is put warnings in the programme (which they have done) and put some posters up. Rather than have the club relight the whole street and have police patrol the area I'd sooner the club spend the money on a new Charlie Mac.

There is no point redoing the car park we'll be out of the ground in a few years and the only people that use it are the club staff and the oppositions staff. I'd be interested what WVN thinks about the £5 parking he was charged the other night at Rushden. The parking at our ground is free, Chelsea charge £20 to put the motor in their underground car park the cheapest in the area is at Chelsea Wharf or Lots Road at about £6 and you have to get there about 13:00 to get a parking space thus pushing up the time you there and also obviously the cost.

As if lighting and patrols will stop the thieving gits. If they want it they'll take it and if we spend time and money on it then we're claiming responsibility and making it our problem, which it isn't. A concern for us yes but so is the injury list, I don't want the club sparing no expense to get the best doctors to keep that to a minimum. It's one of life’s problems, we'll just have to grin and bear it.

P.S there is a train station and a bus stop within walking distance of the ground.

[John Pearce]

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Harry J Allstars said:
Never miss a trick do you WVN/QCS? The team are doing well, Daish hasn't put a foot wrong and the club are doing well on all fronts.

The first opportuinty you get to slag them off and you take it. Is it the clubs responsability to supply lighting 500 yards outside the ground? No. Is it their responsability to supply patrol's outside the ground? No. Is it the car owners responsability to make sure he takes anything valuable out of his car before leaving home and once he parks his car anything he can't take with him he makes sure is safely looked away as well as possible? Yes. How can you blame the club (again)?

If anyone is to blame then it should be in the following order. 1 Satan 2 The thieving little git that did it 3 The Council 4 The police 5 The car owner 6 The kids parents 7 Crimestopers 8 Everybody else 9 The Club.

These things happen, rather then getting all worked up over it it's best to just move on and get on with you life.

Harry, what a load of b******s!

Do you not agree that the car park is a disgrace?

If you do, then surely you have to accept that the club has to take some responsibility for allowing it to get into such a state....most car parks in Baghdad have probably been looked after better!

I have not in the slightest said that the club should provide better street lighting or supply a security patrol, that would be bloody daft. I accept that yes those that park cars anywhere have to take some responsibility for their property and if posible hideaway valuables etc., But the club has simply got to realise that the wrong type of publicity, as printed in the Distorter, does absolutely nothing for their push to attact new supporters and increase much needed attendances.

Of course cars get broken into, in every town, probably at every football ground week in-week out but rubbishing a comment from somebody who just might have considered the occasional visit to watch the 'Fleet, just because he comes from Kings Farm is appalling.

My comments have nothing to do with 'slagging-off' the club, but are common sense observations of the posts on this thread.

Yes, move-on get a life, that is until it's your car that gets damaged near to Stonebridge Road.

[Stu M]

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Quecerasaha said:
Yes, move-on get a life, that is until it's your car that gets damaged near to Stonebridge Road.

As I said, mine has been damaged. I moved on, I moved the car, I ensure there's nothing of value visible in it. I never felt the need to make it 'news' however, or say I was never going to go anywhere near the club again.

The King's Farm line was a throwaway comment, don't get too serious on us WVN. Indeed, it's probably a fair comment to ask whether he feels his car is any safer there than at Stonebridge Road.

[Harry J Allstars]

I'm sorry WVN I must have took you comments out of context, I thought you were saying the club should pay for the new street lighting, patrols etc. So for that I apologise. I also never said "he probably comes from Kings Farm so what does he expect". Although he is acting a bit like he is the first person to ever have his car broken into.

 

I take your point about the car park it is disappointing but what can the club do? How many cars would it take if all fully refurbished? It looks pretty full as it is on match days so you'd probably get a few maybe 20 more cars in? I maybe wrong and it maybe that you can get all the cars in there and never have a 'Fleet fan parking out on that road ever again. I remember hearing some time back that the club sold off a lot of the car park, perhaps this limits our space.

 

I realise your just trying to be practical but so am I, it isn't written in the conference rules that we need to offer any more car parking space than what we already do. The question the club needs to ask it's self is, is this problem big enough for us to spend a load of cash on (after just refurbing the Plough End)? Or can we just let it lie, turn a blind eye (these are my words, not the clubs) and wait until we're in the new stadium? I guess at the moment, although this may change, the answer is the latter.

[X-Orange Jacket]

The only answer would be if we all were to complain to the local cop shop about it, then they can think about maybee having a patrol car doing the rounds every home game for us or charlton, unfortunately none of the stewards are able to help there because by law we are not allowed to apprehend anyone caught doing it, as we are not law enforcers. it would leave us vulnerable to assult claims.

[Riverview Supporter]

To be honest , its peoples stupidity that leads to these problems.

 

Ok , I leave my stereo in the car , but will use the Keys it came with to remove it fo rhome games if this is increasing.

 

I work ina job that has me checking car parks (Boo Hiss I hear you all say) and only today , in a small car park with 12 cars , i saw one vehicle witha window open , another with a handbag on seat and a third had two dvd players over backs of the front seats.

 

these people are asking for a little tyke to break in.

[John Pearce]

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Harry J Allstars said:
I'm sorry WVN I must have took you comments out of context, I thought you were saying the club should pay for the new street lighting, patrols etc. So for that I apologise. I also never said "he probably comes from Kings Farm so what does he expect". Although he is acting a bit like he is the first person to ever have his car broken into.

I take your point about the car park it is disappointing but what can the club do? How many cars would it take if all fully refurbished? It looks pretty full as it is on match days so you'd probably get a few maybe 20 more cars in? I maybe wrong and it maybe that you can get all the cars in there and never have a 'Fleet fan parking out on that road ever again. I remember hearing some time back that the club sold off a lot of the car park, perhaps this limits our space.

I realise your just trying to be practical but so am I, it isn't written in the conference rules that we need to offer any more car parking space than what we already do. The question the club needs to ask it's self is, is this problem big enough for us to spend a load of cash on (after just refurbing the Plough End)? Or can we just let it lie, turn a blind eye (these are my words, not the clubs) and wait until we're in the new stadium? I guess at the moment, although this may change, the answer is the latter.

Apology accepted!

This does raise an interesting and difficult question for the club. No of course they can't be held responsible for what goes on outside the ground.....but quite obviously it needs to attract many new supporters to the ground for each game.

The publicity given by the Distorter to Kings Farm Man's vandalised car does little to help the clubs on-going struggle to attract that new support.

Perhaps therefore the club should liaise with the local police, drastically improve on the level of awareness of the possibility of theft from cars etc., using posters around the ground, the programme and the public address system to both supporters and visiting supporters also and then go very public on what they are doing.

A virtual throw-away comment by the Chairman at the bottom of the article in the Distorter, does little to distract from the headline that the main article received.

[Sth_London_Fleet]

Or alternatively, use the bus, train or push bike (but is the club responsible for bike sheds, or is it the police)

 

Dave Angel Eco Warrior

[KShep]

I put my bike behind the ladie's toilets, on top of a burnt-out fridge and chained to a drain-pipe. Are tehre seriously bike sheds or was that an example?

[eufckev]

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Fleet4Ever said:
Agreed, it's not the clubs fault but as Slarti said, it is indeed the clubs problem.

But why is it the clubs problem? The guy parked his car on a public road, OUTSIDE THE GROUND (and quite far away from it if on the bypass), so the club can't do anything about it, the guy parked his car there at his own risk. The club don't own the bypass!! It's like you go to park your car in a high street, your car gets stolen, who's responsibility is it then?

Unless you are saying it's the clubs problem in terms of attracting people to matches, then thats different.

[Harry J Allstars]

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kevthegnfcfan said:
Unless you are saying it's the clubs problem in terms of attracting people to matches, then thats different.

That's exactly what he is saying. People aren't going to park their car there if they keep getting broken into. Trouble is without the car park being done, which I don't think it will be as it will cost more then it will save is, I don't see what the club can do.

[eufckev]

Unless we TRY to hire stewards to patrol the cars parked on the bypass, but doubt that would happen.

[KShep]

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kevthegnfcfan said:




Unless you are saying it's the clubs problem in terms of attracting people to matches, then thats different.

That's exactly it. GNFC are in no way to blame for cars getting broken into; we can't control the behaviour of local theives, nor can we determine what people leave on show in their vehicles. We haven't got the money to re-do our car park and presumably there is no-one else who will fund a new car park.

However, whilst people are having their cars vandalised and broken into, they will not come back to GNFC and will let their friends know what happened, and they will not come to GNFC, meaning we lose potential fans, which is exactly the opposite to the direction we want to be going in.

I don't like the idea of GNFC paying for the mistakes of the town that could do so much more for us, but if this continues and new fans continue to get put off and try to name and shame us in local papers, we might have to. At the moment it doesn't seem a huge deal, but it could become one? As thousands of houses are meant to be built around that area in the next few years, could someone consult the Council, encourage them to do some forward planning and get a car-park put in around there somewhere?

[eufckev]

Maybe the club should persuade the council to set of a series of CCTV cameras along the bypass. Could make it feel a more secure place.

[Jimmy]

Stewards have no legal power on the bypass - it's a pointless exercise.

If they saw a thief and touched him he could scream assault and would have a case in law.

[BustaGut]

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Sth_London_Fleet said:
Or alternatively, use the bus, train or push bike (but is the club responsible for bike sheds, or is it the police)

Dave Angel Eco Warrior

To catch a bus ,train to watch GNFC play it would take me ages to get there. Even though I live in a area of Northfleet.
Only other option is taxis yea right.
Complain to much and the council will put in yellow lines everywhere, and no one will be able to park anywhere near the ground, so even smaller attendences.
I think the club seems to lose out no matter what is or is not done.
Other than paying for a couple of coppers to patrol the area.

[Alan W (GNFC)]

Ok - Lets be realistic here - this is Societies problem rather than the clubs - it needs addressing on a National level - most of the kids (and adults) involved will be quite brazen and couldnt really care about the effect they have on their victims or come to that whether they are going to get caught or not.

 

We must also remember how many cars are parked on the streets around the ground during a game - several hundred or more no doubt & what percentage of those get damaged/ broken into? Probably a very small number - I appreciate that stat doesnt matter if you're the unlucky one, particularly on your first visit to the ground, but I know how many games my father has attended with his car (most home games, I imagine, over the last 10 years at least, and probably more) and as far as I know, he's never had a problem.

[eufckev]

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BustaGut said:

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Sth_London_Fleet said:
Or alternatively, use the bus, train or push bike (but is the club responsible for bike sheds, or is it the police)

Dave Angel Eco Warrior

To catch a bus ,train to watch GNFC play it would take me ages to get there. Even though I live in a area of Northfleet.
Only other option is taxis yea right.

Don't know how old you are, but why not walk, get some exercise, I walk from the southern part of Gravesend to the football ground, in bout 40 mins. Does me good it does!!