Lets not colour the problem

[pabird]

It appears from this morning’s paper that Tony Bliar has put a hold on refusing immigration of Bulgarians and Romanians when membership of the EU is granted.

Our Tony does not wish to offend his European “partners”,

Neither Tony nor the labour party he fronts give a tuppeny toss that the majority of the electorate have had enough of unbridled immigration, No! It is not a colour issue it is our way of life being over taken by huge waves of differing cultures who encamp in selected areas and blow away the indigenous culture that we used to describe as “our way of life”.

Secondly we simply do not have the services to survive another mass incoming of immigrants, our transport services are at a stage close to collapse, our NHS likewise cannot cope with present numbers, education is facing a day to day crisis in dealing with the present in rush of immigrants and we the indigenous population do not wish to lose acres of green belt land being swamped with low cost (oh yeah) housing.

As for the cost of welfare payments of every description lets face it we cannot afford to give our own pensioners a decent life style let alone throw away billions on newcomers who have never contributed a penny to the reserves they decimate.

Any chance of an election soon!

[pabird]

Out of interest figures published today by government sources

 

 

'Nearly 450,000' new EU migrants

Nearly 450,000 people have come to the UK from new EU countries since May 2004, say new government figures.

[The Invisible Man]

Worryingly, I tend to agree. I might quibble a little about the meaning of culture in this context, but the thrust of the post is spot on.

 

You have to ask yourself why does everyone elect to come to the UK, the second most westerly European nation? Not only have the other nations not been stupid enough to allow unlimited access, but we are the only ones stupid enough to hand out benefits left right and centre to all and sundry.

 

If the quoted figure is 600 000 (the 450k plus "self employed" migrants) you can safely assume it is in fact much higher. The original government estimate was about 15 000.

 

Perhaps they mistook Polish migrants for weapons of mass destruction.

[Big J R]

Does anyone honestly BELIEVE Government statistics ???

[Colin, Germany]

People have always had the right to move to whatever part of the United Kingdom they wanted to, provided they had enough money to do it, of course, and now we are in the European Union, which enables anybody, with a certain time lag for pairs consisting of a new member and a reluctant old member, to live anywhere within the European Union. For instance, I have taken advantage of this, and am living in Germany. You may say that the United Kingdom has one culture which is separate from the continental culture, but Europe only has an identity as being culturally different from Asia, since there is no really clear cut boundary between the two, as there are between other continents. Indeed, many important cultural personalities in past centuries travelled through several European lands, which increased the breadth of their artistic output.

 

Furthermore, the regional cultures within the United Kingdom seem to thrive despite the large numbers of people moving from one part of the country, or countries, to another. Does anyone even want to know how many Scots move to or from London each year?

 

The European Union is doing badly in many of its tasks, but in its main task of keeping peace in Europe, it is not doing badly at all. As long as the flow of European citizens across the continent continues, there is a good chance that we may even avoid a major war in the European Union for some time to come.

 

No country has refused access to the newer members. Some countries have merely negotiated to delay granting their citizens the right of entry for a few years, and those countries are worse off economically for that decision, whether or not they are temporarily culturally better off.

 

However, I do agree that the Green Belt was a wise forward looking planning decision, and that it is a great pity that this brilliant idea has been abandoned.

[pabird]

Colin, Many of us have travelled extensively around Europe (and further) and your comments would have made sense in some past generation of learning but not in today’s GB.

Money, our services in the UK cannot tolerate 1/2 a million incomers a year without billions being spent that we simply do not have, Our housing situation cannot stretch to those numbers without seriously affecting in a negative manner the indigenous population.

Our NHS cannot cope with present demands and attempting to load up the system with many thousands more who have NHS needs is simply impossible without again imploding on the life style of the indigenous.

Government and business are now using the incomers as cheap labour, which is unfair on the immigrant, and depriving Brits job opportunities at the correct rate of pay and obviously a situation certain to stoke anti-racial feelings.

Our education services are stretched beyond the tolerable and simply will not cope with the numbers being quoted.

Will the newcomers be made welcome? Generally (now) the answer has to be no which is against all previous GB fair minded acceptance of immigrants but for the Brits enough is enough.

[The Invisible Man]

But Colin the benefits systems are not the same throughout the EU, whereas they are throughout England and Wales (not sure about Scotland). Thus it makes no difference if you move from London to Yorkshire but there is a big incentive to move into the UK from eastern Europe. Wages are much lower in Eastern Europe, and thus a migrant is delighted to work for double that in the UK (with a safety net of the benefits system, housing etc) but still less than the "natural" UK wage, thus unndercutting British workers. According to the news itm last night there is evidence of this occurring.

 

Those countries who have "delayed" allowing access, are we totally convinced they are not going to delay again? Even if they don't the UK is still going to remain a favourite destination.

 

Your comments regarding cultures are certainly correct, to all intents and purposes Europe (and even the US) are a recognisable single culture (not sure about Liverpool though). I didn't really want to digress into this though.