Veli Hakki

[Paul Stephens]

Does any one know where Veli actually is and how to contact him. It must be a hard time for him at Christmas, and a letter or card or two might make a difference to him coming out embittered, or rehabilitated.

[Guest]

he should have thought about that before he started slinging paving slabs at police horses.

[Paul Stephens]

Words fail me. Thats why he has gone to jail. The purpose of jail is threefold punishment/deterent/rehabilitation. You obviously think everyone who makes a mistake should be punished for the rest of their lives. I believe otherwise

[Guest]

Great idea, lets rehabilitate them all and put them out on the streets early, then they can all 'get at it' again before xmas, there's a good millwall game coming up at christmas, our boy can nip down there on 'home leave' and smash up a few local businesses. Words fail you do they...obviously you've never been a victim of violent crime have you?...then you might change your tune...go see him yourself mate...bet you a fiver you don't go to see him over christmas...you'll find an excuse.

[Paul Stephens]

Perhaps you cant read Lord Longford. The point of my mail is I dpnt know where he is. So it would not be a fair bet.

 

Also if we rehabilitate them they wont "get at it again" because they will be rehabillitated. So what is your point except to stir up trouble about a young man who has made a mistake, has put his hand up, and is paying the price.

 

No i've neve been a victim of violent crime ..... NOT. How do you know what I have or haven't done.

 

Oh and the name - where does anti pornography come in?

[PJ-STFC]

Paul

I agree with your sentiments, its a shame that the forum attracts these intellectually challenged individuals.

 

Tried looking up 'H M Prison' on Google for you...

On the H M Prisons website is a 'Visitor's Guide' (in PDF format) which gives instructions for locating a prisoner.

 

H M Prison Service Visitors Guide (PDF)

 

As for visiting, once you have made contact, Velli would need to send you a Visiting Order, as he will only be allowed a few visits each month, and he would probably rather see his family!!

Haven't found any information about writing letters, but once you know where he is it's probably a good idea to contact the prison directly for advice.

 

 

From the H M Prison FAQs!!

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[Paul Stephens]

Thanks mate. I wasnt going to Visit Veli just thought it might be an idea to send him a card at this time of Goodwill to all men !!

[Guest]

ever thought about sending a card to the traumatised people that were on the receiving end of all of the violence that night?...guess not...

[Ian]

Forgive the generalisation but people in Veli's position generally fall into two categories. Hardened thugs who deserve to be where they are and show no remorse or signs of rehabilitation and those who also deserve to be where they are (because they have committed a crime) but who are genuinely sorry for and ashamed of their actions and whose acceptance of their punishment will ensure that they never repeat their actions.

 

All the people on here speaking up for Veli (not condoning what he has done), of which I am one, understand that he falls into the second category. Comments from unregistered contributors are made without the knowledge of Veli or the common sense to recognise that one size doesn't fit all.

 

[Guest]

Well said Ian.

 

I agree with you and Paul.

 

I just wonder if Santa will also send Christmas cards to the families of those who have died in police custody or those who are the victims of Establishment injustice.

 

 

[Guest]

you can debate the issue all you like but we only have laws and they have to be accepted and honoured or else you have anarchy, is that what you are condoning rebel, i hope not or else there is no future for you at all.. let the thug get on with his miserable life...I've read his 'plea' to the forum...its all bol****s.. any decent club would not honour him and would certainly not have him back, if you do you are sending out the wrong statement, both to the players and to the fans... win at all costs, thats not right and if you do that you will not prosper, there is an arrogance about your club that comes from your slide from great heights to mediocrity, arrogance will not save you, hard work and unity will. Good result today by the way. Well done. Back Browne and the team.

[Guest]

I agree with 'not surprised' if you condone violence it escalates and becomes endemic in our society,. How many youngsters are reading these 'support' posts for Hakki and thinking they can do it as well, and get away with it, or, maybe be forgiven. Why should we forgive violent crime, it is totally unnacceptable surely,.....well it is in my household...and my kids know that...maybe the 'liberals' don't mind their kids throwing a few bricks at police horses and innocent bystanders if it means...'beating the establishment'....great...explains a lot actually....if he wasn't a good football player you lot wouldn't give a t**s...I'd still like to know how many of you 'bleeding hearts' will go and visit him this xmas...

[Guest]

You don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal to judge something on the facts of the case---you just have to be unbiased, and not make your mind up until you know the facts.

 

Yes, what he did was totally unnacceptable, and he's paid a price for it. In other circumstances the club might well have shown him the door, however they looked at the facts of the case--his guilty plea, his remorse, his otherwise good character, and his general attitude, and decided, on the facts, that he was worth a second chance.Let's hope he was worth it, asa all such decisions carry a risk of being wrong, but when they are right, they are well worth it.

 

Do you suggest that anyone who breaks the law is always refused a second chance? If so the spirit of human kindness is sadly lacking in you at this time of goodwill.

[Ian]

Where have I either mentioned or inferred beating the establishment or condoned what Veli Hakki did?

 

Just in case you have missed what I have said I'll spell it out more clearly for you. I despise violence of this nature. I never have and never would condone what Veli did or anyone who has done something similar. Veli Hakki deserves to be in prison for the crime that he committed. You will never find any message from me stating anything other than this view. Is that clear enough?

 

He has not "got away with it" though. Let us not forget where he is and rightly so in my opinion. We are not "forgiving violent crime" either. If we were forgiving it he wouldn't have received a prison sentence which is something that even the people on here speaking up for him agree is right.

 

What I am also saying though is that Veli is genuinely remorseful and sorry for his actions. The punishment he has rightly got will serve as sufficient deterrent and ensure he never repeats his actions. Do you honestly believe that Veli would repeat what he did once he is released?

 

Are you a Slough Town supporter, Constable?

 

[Guest]

No I am not a STFC supporter, I support Millwall, my family have for several generations. This will go on forever but I will leave this up in the air, you are so sure he won't do it again, how do you know it was the first time, because he got caught? In my opinion the club send out the wrong message, he should be cast off and left to sort himself out. Violence is a terible thing in our society, to be frank I am fearful when I take my boys to our games but we can't lock ourselves away. I saw at first hand what happened that night and it wasn't pleasant I can tell you, I can also tell you that most violent soccer hooligans do it for the fun of it and mostly do it again and again and again. I hope you are right in Hakki's case. I really do, but I doubt it. Thanks for the debate.

[Guest]

I would like to know how you feel about your club signing the thug Wise after he allegedly attacked one of his own team mates.I suppose as he was not charged with this offence it's ok.

[Guest]

That's rather a pointless question, I have no control over who the club signs and I have no truck with any form of violence, I thought perhaps that I had made that clear. The question is already answered. Your attempt to swerve the previous debate will gain no further input from me. Thanks for the time.

[Ian]

But hang on, surely there's some parallels here. Wise has been guilty on more than one occasion with thuggery of this nature. Wasn't he charged for attacking a taxi driver as well as being involved in several other incidents before breaking his team mates jaw?

 

Did you write to the club and put your objection to his signing on record? Did you cheer when he scored against Leicester a few weeks ago? Have you told your kids about his past or do you allow them to hero worship him as any other Millwall player?

 

I accept that you do not support violence of any sort but forgive me for suggesting that any support of Wise smacks of double standards.

[Guest]

To be fair, you are definately swerving the issue, the poster 'constable' was challenging your open support on a forum for Hakki and suggesting that it could send out the wrong message. I have not been on the Millwall forum, but would suspect that there is not to much support for wise at all. The Millwall fans have a bad reputation, but we surely all know that it is down to a small minority and not good long serving fans such as 'constable' probably is. Lets also bear in mind that Hakki was a Millwall 'supporter', especially when it came to the 'fun', got that have you. Lets not be to naive and also lets not be to aggressive in our support of criminals that are convicted of violence. You seek to swerve your support of Hakki by turning on a man who obviously seeks to remove violence from this sport. He didn't sign wise and he certainly hasn't supported him either, you can bet on that, but your supporting Hakki. Got it now have you. You can't win this one boys. You may think that you can but you will not. also bear in mind that these forums are open. Be careful that you don't send out the wrong message. You would be surprised at how many people come on to the non league forums....!!!!

[Paul Stephens]

I still dont understand the small minded approach of those against Veli. We all agree that what he did was wrong. We all agree that he should be punished. You then have two choices.

 

1) Attempt to rehabilitate a young man with the rest of his life in front of him

 

2) Write him off as a mindless habitual criminal who was lucky not to be caught before.

 

Funny but i would have thought all you pillars of society would have known how the justice system is supposed to work.