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[andyetfc]

In this week's Independent on the back page.

 

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Boss Jim Chandler hopes the new signings will help Town make it out of Ryman Isthmian Football League Division One North and back to a level of non league football the club - traditionally one of the biggest in league circles - deserves.

 

ETFC has never been higher than the league it's in.

If ETFC goes 'back', then do we look to the ESL?

ETFC does not have a tradition of being one of the biggest in league circles.

 

Please do not tell me that the history of EFC is with ETFC as it is not. If that were to be the case, then where's EFC's history? I don't believe that ETFC should be associated with taking another team's history. We are not an AFC Wimbledon who proclaim to have won the FA Cup. We are a team with just five year's history.

 

No doubt there will be at least one person out there who disagrees with me.

[lovely stuff]

ETFC will always be associated with the old EFC.There is a direct lineage.ETFC was set up by EFC supporters for god sake.

 

Lets never forget that,or deny our history as past EFC supports.I want to be associated and proud of everything EFC did from 1893 to 2000.Its only the EFC after the split, than i have no feeling or association with.Lets not forget that the vast majority of Town fans supported EFC for a LOT longer than they have currently supported ETFC.That will hopefully change as Town go from success to success in the next 20-30 years,but at the moment, most of all of our personal football 'history' has happened under the banner of Enfield Football club.

 

I take it as a compliment when people associate Enfield Town with being the same club as the old Enfield Fc.Lets not get the current EFC set-up confused with real EFC before the split.Everyone i know in the area of Enfield considers and talks about ETFC as if its the same club as the old one we were all watching in previous decades.Surely thats why we created ETFC .In order to preserve and continue what we had at Enfield Fc.

 

So yes, Enfield Town has created its own traditions and history.It is a seperate and unique club,where new fans are as welcome as old EFC fans,BUT that doesn't mean our club and its formation,isn't associated with original Enfield. fc.

[MbrunoB]

We are the club formed by FORMER supporters of EFC so the past is theirs and the future ours!

[lovely stuff]

NO..The Past (up until the split) is OURS.Don't forget it was US that actually experienced that 'past'.

 

Just because you get divorced ,doesn't mean you must deny you were ever married.Or that the history you shared with your wife, is no longer YOUR history,just because you are now with someone else.

 

 

[andyetfc]

So we are sharing the past of another club with the club itself? I am sure that EFC do not want to share their history with ETFC.

[Badger]

As LS said, it is a compliment when people associate ETFC with the history of the old club. I remember a Wealdstone fan on here a while ago saying many of their supporters felt ETFC held the spirit that made the old club.

 

But for a local paper to smudge the lines between two clubs who both have an impressive history, and who both have great potential for the future, it's just bad journalism.

[OldTowner]

Very poor show that one of the "local" rags has not got a clue regarding which Club plays IN Enfield.

I think this is a good indication of the overall problems Town have as a Club playing "local" football in the Borough. It is always going to be difficult to create our own identity and will take many years and a good deal of success.

Just hang on in there.

Perhaps the "local" papers could do a special pull out spread before the big season opener against Hornchurch to help promote the Town Club.

I am sure our Press Officer is on the case.

[Chopper]

As far as i can see Enfield have there History and Enfield Town have there History from 2001. end off.

[lovely stuff]

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So we are sharing the past of another club with the club itself? I am sure that EFC do not want to share their history with ETFC.

No, i'm sure the current set-up at EFC do not wish to share any success that happened under the name 'EFC' with Enfield Town.So what.I do not wish to share any of the success that EFC had in the past whilst i was supporting them,with those that are now at EFC (but who wern't there at the time).What we want, and what we get ,are two seperate things.

A club cannot be formed by 300 EFC fans (many who have 20/30/50 years of loyal support under their belts) WITHOUT that new club having a connection both in history,and lineage with our original club.


I thought it was telling yesterday, that when someone had a 1970's Skelmerdale V EFC programme for sale. He contacted TOWNS website to advertise the fact.Probably because he knew that 99% of the people that were at the original game, now support the Town.

[The Invisible Man]

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Just because you get divorced ,doesn't mean you must deny you were ever married.Or that the history you shared with your wife, is no longer YOUR history,just because you are now with someone else.

No, but if you were married for 25 years, divorced and re-married someone else, after five years you would not claim that marriage to have be 30 years. Nor would you try to graft the history and experiences of the first marriage on to the second (only at your peril!)

I know and appreciate what you are driving at LS, that the spirit and so on has continued with ETFC but they ARE seperate clubs. Perhaps the rag could have said something about the desirability of the borough being represented at the highest non-league levels again. There again (without having seen the article) it appears to be direct quote from Jim......

Confusingly I recall that many people including the local rags (mainly the old Herald) often used to refer to EFC as Enfield Town. Some even argued the point, despite never having been there and knowing that I regularly went to games. I once wrote to the Herald about an advert reading "Good luck to Enfield Town in the FA Trophy Final" or something - how sad is that?

[EssexFlan]

If you took a 5-year old club who never finished lower than 4th at Step 5 and finished 3rd in their 1st Step 4 season and consistently produce some of the highest attendances for those leagues then you have a club who “deserve” a place at Step 3 in the Ryman Premier League. That club would add something to that higher division and remember it is only at school where you get punished for giving the right answer but not using the right method (though I assume Maths GCSEs are different now………………)

 

You can sort of see Jim’s train of thought in that an Enfield football club deserves to be at a higher level renewing the tradition of football that has been played in the Borough (apart from Sep 99 to Sep 01) by clubs wearing white with royal blue.

 

ETFC have won 7 trophies, EFC have won Conference titles, FA Trophies, FA Amateur Cups, etc. We retain the memories of the club that used to attract some ETFC supporters.

[lovely stuff]

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No, but if you were married for 25 years, divorced and re-married someone else, after five years you would not claim that marriage to have be 30 years. Nor would you try to graft the history and experiences of the first marriage on to the second (only at your peril!)

 

 

Of course not. I do not wish to claim anything that EFC has done ,or will do, since the split.Whatever EFC do or don't do in the future is nothing to do with me or my history as a supporter.BUT if i had been married for 25 years.That 'past' would be mine,because i experienced it.That history that me and my wife had, would not be the history or past of her new husband.It would be hers and mine.And whatever experiences i took from those 25 years, would be part of me and mould my relationship with my new wife.

 

I'm beginning to confuse myself now.<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/doah.gif" alt="" />But i hope you get the point i'm trying to make.

[The Invisible Man]

Yes, I understand what you're saying. Of course EFC was part of all of us (and vice versa) until 5 years ago, and those experiences stay with us and have in part shaped the character of the new club. But it IS a new club, nevertheless, with its own character.

[Mr Happy]

Damn, this has become boring and I am sure I have heard it all before!!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />

[Arkwright]

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So we are sharing the past of another club with the club itself? I am sure that EFC do not want to share their history with ETFC.

Probably because he knew that 99% of the people that were at the original game, now support the Town.

I didn't know we had so many supporters from Skem as well. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Arkwright]

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No, but if you were married for 25 years, divorced and re-married someone else, after five years you would not claim that marriage to have be 30 years. Nor would you try to graft the history and experiences of the first marriage on to the second (only at your peril!)

Of course not. I do not wish to claim anything that EFC has done ,or will do, since the split.Whatever EFC do or don't do in the future is nothing to do with me or my history as a supporter.BUT if i had been married for 25 years.That 'past' would be mine,because i experienced it.That history that me and my wife had, would not be the history or past of her new husband.It would be hers and mine.And whatever experiences i took from those 25 years, would be part of me and mould my relationship with my new wife.

I'm beginning to confuse myself now.<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/doah.gif" alt="" />But i hope you get the point i'm trying to make.

If you kept going on about your 1st marriage to your second wife, you'd pretty soon have another divorce!!!.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

Andy if your blood is boiling go and stand in the butchers freezer.

[Jim Cunneen]

I'm sure the ex wife spends most of the time trying to forget the history she had with her ex husband.( he said with a tad of knowledge) I am equally sure that the new woman would like to formulate her own history....... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/icon_smokin.gif" alt="" />

[andyetfc]

Let's have a joint celebration dinner with ETFC fans celebrating the successes of EFC from the past and the EFC supporters celebrating the successes of ETFC during the last five years!

[Mr Happy]

Nah, let's just have a joint!!!!!