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News from the CCL or lack of it.

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Krooner

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Not around until Wednesday. Went to something this morning that I thought would give me some info but there is no flying around. It is all top secret.

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I think last weeks meeting was for the mamagement committee of the league to decide who is going where. If thats the case, I'm not surprised we have not heard anything. There is a meeting which I think is tomorrow (Monday) or the day after which our club secretary and I believe paulb are going to, when we understand, the proposed constitution of the league will be revealed.

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As I understand it that meeting is only for the Ryman 2 teams and not all the other Premier and Div 1 sides.

 

The league cannot inform some of the teams and not others.

 

An e.mail to all clubs would inform all the teams at more or less the same time that has to be the correct way of doing it.

 

The CCL cannot be blamed for this situation, this is down to THE FA.in not planning this correctly.

 

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The meeting on Monday night is for officials of the clubs joining from the Isthmian League. It's a sort of welcome to the CCL and to explain how the CCL works, as there are many things that differ from the Isthmian League.

 

It's not as simple as an e-mail to all the clubs, as people work or maybe on holiday, so some clubs will still get the news quicker than others, whatever means of transmitting information is chosen.

 

I think the clubs that could be changing divisions should be told first, as that way they can't hear potentially bad news from anyone else.

 

It's also very simplistic and quite futile to just blame the FA. Notwithstanding the arbitration by the Northern Premier League, we have known that the Isthmian Two was going to be disbanded. The Isthmian League, rightly in my opinion requested that the 13 clubs not promoted to Step Four should be accommodated in their preferred league. With the exception of Croydon (who concented), all the other 12 did go to their first choice league.

 

The CCL knew there would be an influx of teams from the Isthmian League and drew up a plan, where in conjunction with the FAs ground gradings, clubs had to improve their grounds. It is generally accepted that the CCL and some Hellenic grounds are the worst in both Step Five and Step Six.

 

Clubs have been aware of this all season and anyone relegated on ground grading may well have been relegated anyway under new FA rules, which have been agreed by clubs, supporters and other interested parties.

 

Also of note, is that all Step Six (CCL Division One clubs) must have floodlights for the start of the 2007-2008 season.

 

Instead of taking easy options, the CCL have forced these issues on clubs and in effect, they have started works early, as a year later clubs may well not have met next years deadlines.

 

The FA connot be blamed for this as there is general consensus for change and indeed there will be bigger changes in the future when two Step Five leagues disappear. This will mean a reduction in clubs at Step Five and as a result, approx 20 clubs nationally may have to be relegated to Step Six! You have been warned.

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I still believe the FA is at fault, yes the Northern League took them to arbitration but should these discussions take place during the season prior to change or should they have been decided and set in stone prior to the start of the season then everyone would have known where they stood.(maybe this was the case and if so I apologise).

 

How long do you think clubs should have to wait, Yes contact the teams that are being relegated first thats not many teams to call, the meeting was last Thursday and still no news.

 

Some of the teams in Div 1 will not be able to install floodlights and the CCL is looking at creating a division at step 7 for these clubs.

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The timescale was decided by the CCL and not the FA. If they'd have set a deadline for ground gradings of 1st April like the one for acceptance to Step Five, then some clubs would have complained. By giving clubs an extra month after the season has finished, then the works could be carried out uninterrupted.

 

It's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

The Northern Premier League (not the Northern League) took out their arbitration only nine weeks before the end of the season, so all clubs were in limbo, not knowing until middle of May waht was going on!

 

There were approx 100 clubs countrywide applying to be promoted to Step Four. Quite unprecendented. Given that there was going to be one or two extra divisions at Step Four, then it was only after all clubs in that situation were graded, that we knew who was likely to go up! It could have been that there was a lack of teams with grounds good enough to go up. In that case more than three from Isthmian Two would have gone up. At one stage, it was thought that about ten would go up, meaning that only one or two clubs would have come the CCL. You certainly can't blame the FA for that, no one knew how much excellent work was going to be carried out by clubs - I still can't think that Godalming Town was good enough though! I know Krooner agrees!

 

Where did you get the information about the *new* CCL division at Step Seven? There is absolutely no truth in that. The FA will be deciding all these things from now on, so all decisions benefit the majority not the minority.

 

Additionally, the FA is not keen on leagues spanning more than two Steps, so that instantly rules that out!

 

The FA wants 'County Leagues' or part of county leagues at Step Seven. We have the Surrey Intermediate West and Surrey South Eastern Combination at Step Seven. The FA originally wanted floodlights at this level, but that idea is on hold, possibly scrapped?

 

I think Krooner's idea is about right. No promotion from Division One and Farnham Town (21/21) relegated along with Frimley Green due to their failure to improve their ground.

 

Note: Groundsharing is not permitted to retain or improve status for the first season of a share!

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I still can't think that Godalming Town was good enough though! I know Krooner agrees!

I think Krooner's idea is about right. No promotion from Division One and Farnham Town (21/21) relegated along with Frimley Green due to their failure to improve their ground.

Note: Groundsharing is not permitted to retain or improve status for the first season of a share!


I agree with you NN & Krooner about Godalming - I missed last seasons game thru injury but it's never been a great ground anyway. They must have done a LOT of work.......

The point about groundsharing says it all - how many teams are doing this to stay up? - Westfield, Frimley, Bedfont Green etc. (btw we share @ Hampton & we already had the agreement in place)

I saw a post on our website btw that Horley, Colliers Wood and Farnham might be kicked out as their grounds are of "B" grading......

Horley is a lovely little ground at this level...... can't believe that if it happens.
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The poss new league at step 7 came from a CCl officer I was speaking too.

 

So there is truth in that, Wether the FA allow it is a nother thing.

 

I agree Horley have a great little ground, the newest in the league after spending something like 3.5mil on it. i cannot believe the will relegate them.

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If Epsom & Ewell and Camberley finish in the bottom three next season, will they accept relegation then?

 

It appears the FA have saved you. I think these clubs should be considered for relegation!

 

If Westfield & Frimley have avoided a relegation zone and prepared to spend the money and groundshare until their ground up to scratch (which I know both clubs will be working on), at the same time bringing conference grounds into the CCL! (I know Farnborough's dump, but you know what I mean). They should not be relegated to allow two sides who finished below them.

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Yes we finished 3rd from bottom but in a league of 16 teams, relegating 3 from a division of 16 teams wouldnt normally happen, hence why I feel that the relegation issue should work as I said before.

 

Farnham 1st - finished bottom of 22 team CCL

Feltham 2nd - Finished 21st in 22 team CCL

Bedfont Green 3rd - Finished 20th in 22 team CCL

Epsom & Ewell 4th - Finished 15th in 16 team Rym2

Frimley Green 5th - Finished 19th in 22 team CCL

Camberley 6th - Finished 14th in 16 team Rym2

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