Why remove my posting?

[Guest]

I havn't seen any explinations to why most post containing the words to a certain football song was removed?!?! I'm certainly not about to waste my time reposting it, but a sensible explination would have been nice.

 

 

[Bate'o]

.....What was the song?

[Guest]

No Surrender

[Stu M]

You may seem to think its sentiments are fine, but in my experience the sort of twats that 'adopt' it aren't usually too far removed from the sort of racist scumbags who usually call themselves 'loyalists'. Oooh, a bit like you.

 

Dave will delete this one too, but I thought I'd air my thoughts.

[Richard C]

What is the point of singing something like that. Do some people not have an ounce of intelligence!

 

More important issues like giving Kettering a game to remember would be more appreciated. Come on Fleet. Lets get some useful comments about Kettering etc and get a large crowd down to the Fleet to watch a thumpin win and return to form. Come On Fleet

[Guest]

I think some sort of guideline needs to be in place to determine what a person can and can't post on this board.

 

It's ridiculous that someone can ask for a post to be removed without a valid reason.

 

Like I have asked before, what is so offensive about the song?

 

Only a half-wit would suggest that a posting should be removed because the kind of person who might sing it could possibly be racist.

 

If a racist was seen eating a hot dog or burger would you ask for the refreshment van to be removed? Of course not.

 

 

 

 

[FleetFanatic]

A person can post absolutely anything they like.

 

A moderator can remove any post for a variety of reasons.

 

Please read agreement for using Non-League UK.

 

Thanks

 

PS I still think you are a racist scumbag.

[Guest]

Would you point out where about's my posting contraveins these guidlines then?!?!

 

I suppose you have got some evidence of me being racist have you? But surprise surprise your not going to enlighten me on why I am a racist??

 

And don't worry mate, I ain't even going to bother with the name calling mate.

[Stu M]

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If a racist was seen eating a hot dog or burger would you ask for the refreshment van to be removed? Of course not.

 

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Rubbish. And you know it. What place has No Surrender in a football ground anyway? Do you sing songs declaring UN sanctions against Iraq be maintained? Do you sing songs about not giving in to Al Qaeda terrorism?

 

No, you sing No Surrender at a football ground cos it's synonomous with the sort of political inadequates you're no doubt associated with.

 

I'm with Super Daz on this one.

 

Dave, presumably you'll be zapping this as I fear I'm going a bit political! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif" alt="" />

[David Holden]

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Dave, presumably you'll be zapping this as I fear I'm going a bit political! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif" alt="" />

 

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I Think this will be a job for the new moderator whoever he or she is. I've resigned remember.

[Richard C]

A moderator can remove a post for a host of reasons - ie: Your name being 'Loyalist' - thus provoking judgements towards you, whether right or not. I personally think thats the end of this thread.

[FleetFanatic]

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Would you point out where about's my posting contraveins these guidlines then?!?!

 

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Er.....because people found it OFFENSIVE.

 

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I suppose you have got some evidence of me being racist have you? But surprise surprise your not going to enlighten me on why I am a racist??

 

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Er.....if the cap fits, wear it.

 

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And don't worry mate, I ain't even going to bother with the name calling mate.

 

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Er.....I'm not your mate and please do call me a name.

 

Go on.....you know you want to.

 

Please.....make me cry.

[Guest]

"Why remove my posting?"

Aside from the nature of the song.....you're spelling a loan mean's that you're posting should be removed from this forum wear us brite peepull hang out. .......

 

PS Would I be correct in assuming that you're also one of those types who say "innit" when you don't actually mean it? Tw*t!

[Guest]

I didn't post a message wanting a political discussion, I wanted an answer to why my posting was deleted.

 

It is a song which can be heard at many football grounds, particuly when England are playing - that's why I mentioned it when someone else suggested it.

 

I think it's quite funny how none of you can come up with a sensible reason.

[FleetFanatic]

In a heading at the top is a tab F A Q

click it

then click on What are the rules?

 

This is what you will find;

 

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- [color:"red"] Participants shall not post any material likely to cause offence [/color], that is protected by copyright, trademark or other proprietary right - without the express permission of the owner of such copyright - or that contains personal phone numbers or addresses.

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- This web site does not verify or guarantee the accuracy of the material posted to the Forums or bear any responsibility for any loss, damage, or other liabilities caused by any posted message.

 

I think the two items highlighted in red in this post speak volumes towards answering your question.

 

People found it offensive so it was removed.

[David Holden]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Loyalist:</font><hr />

I think some sort of guideline needs to be in place to determine what a person can and can't post on this board.

 

It's ridiculous that someone can ask for a post to be removed without a valid reason.

 

 

 

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From the conditions of use:

 

Content that is unlawful, obscene, mischievous, vulgar, profane, sexually oriented, racially or religiously discriminating, or otherwise objectionable is not permitted, even if masked.

 

I think that about covers it, and if you don't agree you can complain to the administrator.

 

Also from the conditions of use:

 

If you have a problem or a complaint, privately direct it to our Business Office, the Administrator, and/or moderators. Do not make it a public issue. They will then take the appropriate actions accordingly.

 

Perhaps the new moderator will have different views when he/she takes over, but remember I am dicatorial which is why I am going.

[Guest]

As for the fella who highlighted the points in red. Your right you ain't my mate.

 

When you quote the offence being caused, fair enough. But surly there has too be some regulations over what is offensive and what isn't. Surly someone can't just say anything is offensive just because they don't agree with it. That's pathetic.

 

It's like saying, such and such are a better team that Fleet, Right then let's remove that post it's offensive. I can understand blatant racism beingt offensive but not a different opinion.

 

You still havn't said why it's offensive or for what reason.

[Stu M]

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You still havn't said why it's offensive or for what reason.

 

 

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You're either (a) very very stupid, as I supect or ( playing devil's advocate.

 

It's offensive because the song is synonomous with far right movements such as the BNP whose very ideals are 'offensive' to most people, though probably not yourself. It's not an England 'anthem' anymore than a nazi salute is an England anthem. And it's usually hollered by skinheaded yobs who aren't football fans, but are usually more concerned with having a ruck.

 

That's why it's offensive, whether or not you only like for its lilting musical arrangements or because it makes you feel English.

 

Clear enough for you, numbskull...? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool_shades.gif" alt="" />

[Andy Y. (G&NFC)]

The reason why the majority of free thinking people including myself find that song offensive is that the whole intention of it is to ridicule and offend a large part of the community. ie) The Catholic community. We live in something called a democracy, where people have the right to voice their own opinions. But these opinions must not be offensive to other people in that democracy. In other words, you are entitled to think what you like but you must not "overstep the bounds of decency." I could expound on the reasons why that particular song is so offensive, however I guess you must already be aware of the content or you wouldn't have posted it in the first place. As someone who used to follow England around, I can tell you the reason why that song was sung was; a) To attempt to wind up the local community if the other Country being played was English speaking, and, To warn the other thugs on the terraces that a fight was just about to kick off.

 

Suffice to say it is racist in the extreme. Remember, Racism is not just about colour it also includes religion amongst other things. People living in Gravesend and the surrounding areas, live in a very diverse community whether they like it or not and by and large, the community gets along extremely well. There is no place for racist attitudes in this club as it reflects the community as a whole, thank God.

 

By the way I am not a Catholic so it isn't a personal insult to me before you ask.

 

Is that clear enough for you? I am guessing you are student as you do not seem to have developed enough common sense to be a real grown up yet. May I respectfully suggest you do a little more research before you start to wind up other people on this board.

 

Dave, I think you will find this is one great big reason why you should reconsider resigning your position as moderator of this board as it needs someone with a bit of inteligence to control it!

 

 

[Guest]

Andy thanks for giving me a sensible reply it's appreciated.

 

I'm not a student Andy, and as you have probably guessed have also been to England games in the past. I am aware of the background of the song. From very much personal experience I would say that 'No Surrender' was not a song which was sung to wind up any English speaking foreigners. I would agree that there are some extreme racists who follow England who sing this song but also a few genuinely good lads who are not extreme right-wing.

 

I don’t want to make this a political discussion because that would be boring, but as an proud Englishman, singing ‘No Surrender’ is the best way to get one over on the left-wing politically correct brigade who see everything patriotic or nationalistic as blatantly racist. We’ll forget that. There are Englishmen across the country who will never give in to that, and I’m one of them.

 

I can't understand anyone really being offended by this because none of the words are offensive to anyone other that Martin McGuiness, Gerry Adams and their band of terrorist simpletons.

 

We’ll probably not see eye-to-eye on this subject but at least you got back to me with a sensible posting instead of name calling like other ‘characters’ on here have done.

 

Oh yeah, by-the-way. Sorry about the spelling, but I really couldn’t care less!!