Spurs are at it again - Pure Vandalism!

[Migrant_Manor]

Spurs have submitted a revised planning application for a First team Training Centre and Academy Facility on 23 hectares of Green Belt land immediately west of Myddelton House in Bulls Cross. The revised plan for the main site still shows a massive building complex of 12,000m2 compared with the existing sports pavilion of 700m2 which is to be demolished. There has been some reconfiguration and the footprint of the complex has been slightly reduced, but the academy wing and the first team wing now wrap around the south and east sides of the covered football pitch; so there is a building mass with a length of 108m x 125m with a height of up to 9m. The maximum height of the covered pitch is 10.5m and with floodlighting columns 15m high it is difficult to accept Spurs' contention that nothing will be visible to the public,

especially form the elevated postion of Forty Hall.

 

Why is it that the Council feel happy to help the team from down the road yet they do little to help our team in it's own borough? If you are concerned about the plans or are simply frustrated by the inequality of their approach to the two clubs situations you should send your objections to the Council.

 

This massive private and commercial development is situated wholly within the Green Belt. It is within the Enfield Chase Area of Special Character, mostly within the historic Forty Hall Estate and on land which formed part of the 16th century deer park of Elsyng Manor House; part of the site is within the existing Forty Hill Conservation Area and the Character Appraisal for this Area, commissioned last year by the Council, recommends for all the above reasons, safeguarding this area by extending the Conservation Area to include all the remaining land under threat from Spurs.

 

Please send in objections to:-

 

Mr D Snell, Environment, Street Scene and Parks, London Borough of Enfield, PO Box 53, Civic Centre, Silver Street, Enfield EN1 3XE, quoting Reference TP/06/0735.

[lovely stuff]

Could we get the council to instist that Spurs build the local 'team' a ground,within their complex,in order to smooth the acceptance of planning permission. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[Hawkeye Pierce]

Firstly The London Borough of Enfield is very lucky to have a first team in the premiership even if they are a sickly bunch! Remember that year Crewe Alexandra deprived the old EFC of a league place (!!!!!!!s).

 

Maybe next season if they changed their name to "Enfield Hotspurs FC" and groundshared locally we might feel they cared about the Borough of Enfield? How long before Myddelton House goes the same way the old Cheshunt ground went (for housing)?

[MbrunoB]

Excuse Me but that lot are in HARINGEY not ENFIED.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

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[lovely stuff]

They are still Enfield's local premiership team. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

[andyetfc]

Maybe the Council could look towards a section 106 agreement for Spurs to fund a non league stadium somewhere else in the borough as part of their planning application?

[Eastside Urchin]

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They are still Enfield's local premiership team. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

poor enfield <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[lovely stuff]

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andyetfc said:
Maybe the Council could look towards a section 106 agreement for Spurs to fund a non league stadium somewhere else in the borough as part of their planning application?

Exactly.Part of Spurs' brief to obtain planning permission, was to provide services and facilities for the local community.If they build a conference standard facility within the complex for Enfields local football club,that could go a long way to securing planning permission with Enfield council.Even if we had to share it with one of their reserve teams.As long as the 'share' was free and we could take our own bar receits .It would be benificial to us.

[1FinEnfield]

Surely the fact that any sort of sporting devlopment of new facilities within the Borough of Enfield must be good news. It means that the attitude of the Council may be changing from its long-held view that sports clubs are at best a minor nuisance to them or at worst something that should be actively driven out. Hopefully, if it's built and there is limited impact on the local area and residents it might encourage them to look on future applications for a new ground for one or both of the borough's Ryman League teams more favourably.

It'll make a change from another Fairview Homes development or supermarket!

[lovely stuff]

I think the sad fact is that Enfield council look for 'big money'.Fairview,Tesco's and Spurs have this. We don't.

[Migrant_Manor]

This wasn’t the point I was making LS - it would be great if THFC would contribute to ‘our’ new home within our borough but some things go beyond football!

 

It is an abomination that Spurs are looking to develop this area within green belt land. For a start they should be looking on their own doorstep – not a 'Migrant Manor!' Secondly they should develop a brown field site within easy reach of the neighbourhoods of their fans.

 

By the way, I would have exactly the same attitude and opinion if we were talking about Arsenal developing this area.

[1FinEnfield]

Too true. The way to Enfield Council's heart has always been money and lots of it. As neither Enfield nor Enfield Town have this, it makes it a lot more dificult for either of us to get the type of facilities we need. But, we live in hope and if Enfield Council start abandoning their policy of tieing the hands of or actively driving out all professional or semi-professional sports teams, then maybe just maybe at some future date one or both of us might get a small scrap of land to truly call our own.

[lovely stuff]

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It is an abomination that Spurs are looking to develop this area within green belt land.

I agree that the Green belt should be out of bounds,but it seems that with this government and the constant need for more and more housing,the green belt will be eaten up anyway within in the next 50 years by Prescott and those that follow him.

 

 

 

 

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For a start they should be looking on their own doorstep – not a 'Migrant Manor!'

Wish someone would have told Arsenal all those years ago.

 

 

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Secondly they should develop a brown field site within easy reach of the neighbourhoods of their fans.

 

Unforunatly,more Spurs fans now live in Enfield and Hertfordshire,than still live in Tottenham.So building in Enfield will be within easy reach of most of the clubs fans.

[lovely stuff]

Blimey, Brunob and Jim.What has the world come too, when he your own 'Paper of choice', is having a pop. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

 

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/julie_bindel/2006/05/i_am_glad_aresnal_lost.html

[Nikki 50/50]

this is really boring. i dont really care about spurs so i dont care if they wanna build a fancy training thing up the road from me, why should i?

AND i can totally understand the council backing a local premiership club and thinking twice about backing a non league club thats been going 5 years (which is NOT saying that i don't want the council to give us a lovely posh stadium, or chuck us some money to help us out- its just a little more understandable that they go for a premiership club)

AND how can attracting more football fans to the area be bad for Town? if anything it'll only get our attendences higher for when spurs fans cant go to their games n they find out we're five mins away.

right, now i've stressed my points!

 

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[MbrunoB]

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Blimey, Brunob and Jim.What has the world come too, when he your own 'Paper of choice', is having a pop. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/julie_bindel/2006/05/i_am_glad_aresnal_lost.html

That just proves what an ignorant pr1ck you are as you do not know my views and I NEVER buy any daily paper.

After moaning about Arsenal moving from one borough to another 93 years ago you know want that other bunch to move part of their operation to another borough. MAKE YOUR MIND UP.

Does anyone really think that they would give up any part of something that they own to help anyone else?

[The Invisible Man]

What on earth are people talking about?

 

The proposal is to build a training ground, not a stadium. Most, if not all, league clubs have separate traning facilities, usually remote from their actual stadium. The old Spurs one was at Cheshunt next to the A10. At present it is in Chigwell or somewhere. I believe the arsenal have one at London Colney: this is nothing unusual. For Spurs to have one at Enfield would be relatively close to the home stadium.

 

The matter has nothing to do with Enfield Council other than their duty as LPA to consider an application that has been submitted. The only money involved is the application fee and, if approved, in due course the payment of business rates. This is hardly likely to sway their decision.

 

I really do not see what this has got to do with Enfield Town FC.

[Man From Mars]

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The Invisible Man said:
What on earth are people talking about?

The proposal is to build a training ground, not a stadium. Most, if not all, league clubs have separate traning facilities, usually remote from their actual stadium. The old Spurs one was at Cheshunt next to the A10. At present it is in Chigwell or somewhere. I believe the arsenal have one at London Colney: this is nothing unusual. For Spurs to have one at Enfield would be relatively close to the home stadium.

The matter has nothing to do with Enfield Council other than their duty as LPA to consider an application that has been submitted. The only money involved is the application fee and, if approved, in due course the payment of business rates. This is hardly likely to sway their decision.

I really do not see what this has got to do with Enfield Town FC.

A training complex of a huge size vizzy ! The Bone of content is surely that Enfield council should solve the Ground problem for a shared stadium for Es & Town before even considoring spurs application.

[Sponsor of Beer]

Agreed, other than there may be some benefit in talking to the Council about whether there is any mutual benefit in how the community type facilities [that were originally part of the proposal] and to some degree were what made the Council sit up and take notice in the first place, are now to be provided.

 

Not surprisingly, the applicant chose the Myddleton House site because of its relative privacy arising from limited access, etc. Its understandable that they don't really want 'the community' anywhere near the finished article.

 

Seems to me that it wouldn't take a great deal of genius for the council to realise that this is a bloody good opportunity to get some cash in to get it out of a hole on the athletics stadium.

 

That's of interest to ETFC.