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[Phil Old Boy]

Haven’t looked at the board for a day, but feared the worst when I saw some details on Ceefax.

 

Don’t shoot me down on this as I have trouble understanding all the posts on trusts/ltd companies etc.

 

1) Who will actually put in our resignation to the Conf Committee?

 

2) If we need £1k a week to open the gates, say if we stayed in the conf, wouldn’t just 100 people pay for that just with their attendance fee. Some of the more local games can attract a few hundred away supporters which is revenue just on its on there for a few weeks and that’s without the numbers from our owns fans attendance.

 

3) Yes, with a reserve team, it’s likely we will take a battering each week. But a) It keeps us watching a high standard of football. We would be relegated down to Conf South but rather than fall into possible obscurity if we fall too far if we resign, the above will at least keep us going for a year in which time we will have a year then to sort out a regular income. It was mentioned earlier about setting up standing orders from the supporters, how about that idea of a Canvey Island Community lottery where most money goes to the club, but also money is also distributed to non-football institutions like playgroups, charities, etc anything like that on the Island. That will get the non football people of the Island interested also. Reckon this could pull in at least a few grand each week if set up and marketed properly.

[Sharming Paula]

Phil Old Boy said:

 

3) Yes, with a reserve team, it’s likely we will take a battering each week. But a) It keeps us watching a high standard of football. We would be relegated down to Conf South but rather than fall into possible obscurity if we fall too far if we resign, the above will at least keep us going for a year in which time we will have a year then to sort out a regular income.

 

Thats ok but think of the morale amoungst the players -wouldnt be good <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

[Matt H]

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Phil Old Boy said:
2) If we need £1k a week to open the gates, say if we stayed in the conf, wouldn’t just 100 people pay for that just with their attendance fee. Some of the more local games can attract a few hundred away supporters which is revenue just on its on there for a few weeks and that’s without the numbers from our owns fans attendance.

I've often wondered this. Why can't we just continue on as normal just with a reduced playing budget and only paying for what we can afford. But if we continued in the Conference I think there are costs that would see us go bust next season and then we'd have to start again anyway. We get bugger all for crowds as it is, to be the whipping boys that prop up everyone else in the League may make the attendances drop further. Think it boils down to doing the honourable thing and jumping before we're pushed.

[ronin]

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Matt CIFC said:

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Phil Old Boy said:
2) If we need £1k a week to open the gates, say if we stayed in the conf, wouldn’t just 100 people pay for that just with their attendance fee. Some of the more local games can attract a few hundred away supporters which is revenue just on its on there for a few weeks and that’s without the numbers from our owns fans attendance.

I've often wondered this. Why can't we just continue on as normal just with a reduced playing budget and only paying for what we can afford. But if we continued in the Conference I think there are costs that would see us go bust next season and then we'd have to start again anyway. We get bugger all for crowds as it is, to be the whipping boys that prop up everyone else in the League may make the attendances drop further. Think it boils down to doing the honourable thing and jumping before we're pushed.

The cost of getting the players to the further away games in the Conference would be beyond our means (over £1000 a game?) and then we would have to pay the players a fair wage for taking time off work.

[The Great Eckscape]

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Phil Old Boy said:
1) Who will actually put in our resignation to the Conf Committee?

2) If we need £1k a week to open the gates, say if we stayed in the conf, wouldn’t just 100 people pay for that just with their attendance fee. Some of the more local games can attract a few hundred away supporters which is revenue just on its on there for a few weeks and that’s without the numbers from our owns fans attendance.

3) Yes, with a reserve team, it’s likely we will take a battering each week. But a) It keeps us watching a high standard of football. We would be relegated down to Conf South but rather than fall into possible obscurity if we fall too far if we resign, the above will at least keep us going for a year in which time we will have a year then to sort out a regular income. It was mentioned earlier about setting up standing orders from the supporters, how about that idea of a Canvey Island Community lottery where most money goes to the club, but also money is also distributed to non-football institutions like playgroups, charities, etc anything like that on the Island. That will get the non football people of the Island interested also. Reckon this could pull in at least a few grand each week if set up and marketed properly.

1. We have been in touch with John Moules (Conference Chief Executive), and he has advised us that he will guide us through this procedure.

2. There are many costs that have to be paid and we need to make sure we have funds for all of these. We've got the sub lease which looks as though it will be £700-£1000, the players wages which will be in excess of £1000, other staff wages, programme costs, competition entry fees, merchandise & food/drink at cost price, marketing, and the list goes on.

We will make money via Programme Sales, Admission Fees (inc season tickets), 50/50, Lottery, Bar & Burger Bar, Sponsorship, Donations, Fundraising, Prize Money (Hopefully!) etc.

We need to ensure that everything that goes out comes back in again, that's where the financial minded guys can sit down and balance everything up.

3. I don't think you would see a higher level of football, as each game could potentially be a massacre. The players and fans need to be part of a club that can achieve, and we need to ensure that we give them the best possible chance of doing this. Also, fans want to watch a successful team, and I believe that leaving us in the Conference and coming last would not benefit our long term future, and make other clubs consider us a joke.

The lottery we have currently hasn't been marketed brilliantly, but as long as we get the necessary licenses we will be getting this going big time, and everyone can be open for input when we look how to organise this.

[Phil Old Boy]

Thanks for all that Glen.

 

Sorry, more questions or rather observations if you know the answers or thoughts. Just trying to raise and discuss lots of issues like a brainstorm as sometimes someone else can come up with a great idea no one has thought about. Must be exhausting all the ideas recently though would have thought!

 

2.a) Just wondered what the reserve team are being paid. First thought that £1k at that level was high but it’s not just eleven players and things have gone up from £50 a game.

Didn’t think of the away games and players being released from their workplaces. Big stumbling block as well.

c) Just wondered how much that weekly club lottery or whatever it was that appeared in the programme fetched in. The 3 prizes normally totalled £300 so perhaps a grand was raised there.

 

3. Yes, you are right, it just would not be a match. My thoughts were that if we could stand one bad season and have time to sort things out financially during that time, then next year in the conf south we may have a chance to equip ourselves to bring new players in.

The key to all this is as usual is money. That is the main aim to get a source of income in. Now with Jeff, mostly out of the scene, perhaps there could be that consortium of 10 local businessman who would stump up £50k a year.

As for becoming a joke in the conf by losing by large margins, would be hard to swallow in the short term, but at times you have to have broad shoulders perhaps to ignore outside thoughts. We are only interested in our club and wouldn’t it be great to come back again against these people and wipe the floor with them. See it as a challenge, of monster proportions though!

Best of luck with the lottery and I’m sure that it could be one of the clubs greatest assets in the future.

[trueyellows15]

no other club in there right mind would be prepared to pay £1000 per week to stay at a ground that is far be big for level 8...that is the biggest joke....although we have had great times at park lane, it will ruin the club.think of the other things you could do with £1000 a week, more wages for better players, better advertising i could go on and on.i just hope we are staying at the park lane for 1 season and then ground share, so we have a club next year thanks to jeff kings great timming, although i feel all of this jeff king leaving has been a long team plan and nothing to do with attendances. something else is going on....i hope the clubs long team plan is to be independent from jeff king and but i fear this will never be...going on the poor and mad decisions so far from the club....the fans are having no say, the club will not find £1000 a week anyway...im very sad and angry what has happened to us.can anyone tell me some good news. can there be a great escape from this mess................

[The Great Eckscape]

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Phil Old Boy said:
Thanks for all that Glen.

Sorry, more questions or rather observations if you know the answers or thoughts. Just trying to raise and discuss lots of issues like a brainstorm as sometimes someone else can come up with a great idea no one has thought about. Must be exhausting all the ideas recently though would have thought!

2.a) Just wondered what the reserve team are being paid. First thought that £1k at that level was high but it’s not just eleven players and things have gone up from £50 a game.
Didn’t think of the away games and players being released from their workplaces. Big stumbling block as well.
c) Just wondered how much that weekly club lottery or whatever it was that appeared in the programme fetched in. The 3 prizes normally totalled £300 so perhaps a grand was raised there.

3. Yes, you are right, it just would not be a match. My thoughts were that if we could stand one bad season and have time to sort things out financially during that time, then next year in the conf south we may have a chance to equip ourselves to bring new players in.
The key to all this is as usual is money. That is the main aim to get a source of income in. Now with Jeff, mostly out of the scene, perhaps there could be that consortium of 10 local businessman who would stump up £50k a year.
As for becoming a joke in the conf by losing by large margins, would be hard to swallow in the short term, but at times you have to have broad shoulders perhaps to ignore outside thoughts. We are only interested in our club and wouldn’t it be great to come back again against these people and wipe the floor with them. See it as a challenge, of monster proportions though!
Best of luck with the lottery and I’m sure that it could be one of the clubs greatest assets in the future.

Currently the reserve team are not paid, only a £10 bonus if they win. John Batch has indicated that he can manage a decent team on just over £1000 a week.

The lottery I believe brings in about £600 a fortnight, but the potential for it is massive and could easily make £3000 a month with the right marketing and enthusiasm. All those who filled in the forms stating their skills were "anything to help" or "enthusiasm" etc, we'll be in touch! If people just did 5 to 10 small-medium size roads around their area, and we got as many people out doing it for a couple of nights a week (collecing and canvassing), then we'd have the island covered in no time.

[Guest]

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trueyellows15 said:
no other club in there right mind would be prepared to pay £1000 per week to stay at a ground that is far be big for level 8...that is the biggest joke....although we have had great times at park lane, it will ruin the club.think of the other things you could do with £1000 a week, more wages for better players, better advertising i could go on and on.i just hope we are staying at the park lane for 1 season and then ground share, so we have a club next year thanks to jeff kings great timming, although i feel all of this jeff king leaving has been a long team plan and nothing to do with attendances. something else is going on....i hope the clubs long team plan is to be independent from jeff king and but i fear this will never be...going on the poor and mad decisions so far from the club....the fans are having no say, the club will not find £1000 a week anyway...im very sad and angry what has happened to us.can anyone tell me some good news. can there be a great escape from this mess................

In February

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trueyellows15 said:
We all know Jeff plays the players he prefers,which we can all see is not working,we thank Jeff for getting us where we are today, but was it his money or his management skills??? do you think is about time Jeff stepped aside and let a more experenced manager step in..

In May

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trueyellows15 told Hornchurch fans:
UNLUCKY ON THE PLAYOFF PLACE, BUT YOU HAVE DONE VERY WELL THIS SEASON AND SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOUR TEAM, WELL DONE!!!MAY BE SUPPORTING YOU LOT NEXT SEASON IF CANVEY FOLDS.....TO NEXT SEASON.....

You have made 9 posts all doom and gloom, why dont you [****!!****] off to Hx.

[trueyellows15]

thanks for the good news, it really made me happy...it was billericay not hornchurch....i was just giving billericay some kind words returning what they have for us..im sorry for all the doom and gloom im just angry what going on..sorry

[Matt H]

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The Great Eckscape said:
Currently the reserve team are not paid, only a £10 bonus if they win. John Batch has indicated that he can manage a decent team on just over £1000 a week.

Twenty players on 50 quid a week = 1k. I can't see us having a squad of twenty next season so I presume these "1 or 2 quality signings" that John mentioned will be possibly those that have played higher in the pyramid that might possibly command slightly more than 50 quid a week? Time will tell I suppose!

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The Great Eckscape said:
All those who filled in the forms stating their skills were "anything to help" or "enthusiasm" etc, we'll be in touch! If people just did 5 to 10 small-medium size roads around their area, and we got as many people out doing it for a couple of nights a week (collecing and canvassing), then we'd have the island covered in no time.

I've got all Summer free and my name's down on that sheet. If I'm not at the cinema, you know where to find me <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


As for Jeff's 1k a week - 143 fans paying 7 quid each a week covers that. 286 fans paying 7 quid a week pays for the lease AND the players' wages. I think we can draw more than 300 full paying adults a game so although it will be very tight, I'm sure we can manage.

The only downside is that we won't have a home game every week to cover the extra costs. That's where the marketing and publicity comes into it, to make those 300 paying adults, 500+ paying adults.

Southend Utd have just released their season ticket prices for next season - 380 quid for 24(?) Championship games = 16 quid a game. For less than half that price those that can't go to Roots Hall can watch some real football at Park Lane!

[Ribbit]

To be honest, if I were a neutral, I'd much rather pay £16 at Roots Hall to watch top quality football, in a top league, with top teams, than £7 at Concord to watch us in a poor league, playing poor football against poor sides.

 

I'm not about to watch Southend rather than Canvey though, despite it being much easier for me. I'm sure there isn't anybody on here who won't be around next season, but I think we'll struggle to attract any neutrals in the ESL unless we get instant success. Even then I don't think we'll be overwhelmed.

[Guest]

Why do you keep saying ESL, as far as I am aware that is not where we are going!!

 

I would rather stand next to the yellow army watching paint dry than stand next to a load of fairweather glory hunters at sarfend.

[Ribbit]

I don't really know. I suppose because it's the lowest we can go. There's not exactly huge odds against it, are there?

[Matt H]

IF we were to drop as far as the ESL, (I don't think we will) I believe our current crop of players, (can't really call them Reserves now) will be more than able to compete in the League. It may not bring instant success, but I'm positive we can seriously give a good account of ourselves on the pitch. To say Canvey will be in a poor league, playing poor football against poor sides is a bit of an insult. You can only beat what's put in front of you.

 

Southend in the Championship doesn't guarantee top quality football, they could see some serious defeats next season. We want to attract those in Benfleet/Hadleigh/Rayleigh/Pitsea that are just starting to get into football and are perhaps looking for a Club to be affiliated with, (which is why I'm glad we're having permenant 'Kid for a Quid'). For just a pound I'm thinking about starting to bring my young Cousin to all the games I go to, (I'll make him ditch his Man Utd shirt) perhaps, just maybe he'll enjoy it and want to go again...and again.

 

Gradual progress on and off the field is what I think we're aiming for - Something we should've done a long time ago.

[Ribbit]

Oh no, I do agree with you.

 

I don't mean to insult anyone by saying the ESL is poor quality - but you can't sit there and tell me it isn't, with a straight face.

 

I haven't seen our reserves play, but I have seen their results and I'm sure they will do well whatever league we end up in. I'm not doubting what can happen, I just prefer to be more... pessimistic, I suppose. For all I know we could end up in a Ryman league and absolutely romp it, but on the other hand we might end up in the ESL and finish bottom.

 

We've got to weigh things up and look at them from both sides. It's not going to be easy in the slightest - this isn't like all those years ago when Jeff took over; we're not going to storm through every team and league put in front of us. WE MAY NEVER REACH THE CONFERENCE AGAIN!

 

Of course, on the other hand, we might be back in three years. You never know and until Christmas, when we can properly gage how our season is going, I don't think we can really estimate anything. Do you?

[Guest]

Another angle should be to get your cousin to sign for one of the youth sides, they get a season ticket (I hope that continues next year).

 

It is hard for a kid not to support a team he plays for, before the prices went up I also used to bring 1/2 dozen of Jnrs mates.

 

 

If we are paying a £1 each kid next season, I will start filling my car again and treat them to entrance, they all bring a couple of quid for a burger and a programme.

 

As it is now to bring Jnr and a mate is £20+.

 

Next season me Jnr and three of his pals £11. I just do not bring them now, funny their mums give them a £10 for burgers etc, but would not dream of giving them a £5 to get in.

 

Thats five programmes, five burgers, five drinks and a scotch in my coffee.

[Ribbit]

Haha

[Matt H]

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Ribbit said:
I don't mean to insult anyone by saying the ESL is poor quality - but you can't sit there and tell me it isn't, with a straight face.

The quality of the player may differ, but football is football to me. Champions League to Combined Counties I'd still watch it if Canvey were playing.

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Ribbit said:
I'm not doubting what can happen, I just prefer to be more... pessimistic, I suppose. For all I know we could end up in a Ryman league and absolutely romp it, but on the other hand we might end up in the ESL and finish bottom.

No problem with being pessimistic, but if you're like that all the time you'll never enjoy what you have to begin with.

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Ribbit said:
It's not going to be easy in the slightest - this isn't like all those years ago when Jeff took over; we're not going to storm through every team and league put in front of us.

That's more like it, a bit of realism <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> And once everyone learns that and it sinks in the better.

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Ribbit said:
WE MAY NEVER REACH THE CONFERENCE AGAIN!

To be honest, I'm not THAT bothered by the thought of that. Means I can make more Away games. The further up the Leagues you go, the sense of community lessens. Would rather be playing in Ryman Prem and drinking and partying on the terraces rather than cramped in a plastic Championship ground being made to sit down.

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Ribbit said:
Of course, on the other hand, we might be back in three years.

That's better, you're learning now <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Ribbit said:
You never know and until Christmas, when we can properly gage how our season is going, I don't think we can really estimate anything. Do you?

No-one knows where we will be at Christmas. Everyone on here knows where they'd like us to be, but as I said above, to be perfectly honest as long as we're still in existance I don't really care, I'll still be there. Just giving my opinion on where I'd like us to be.

[Ribbit]

I would've like us to do what Wimbledon did when they first entered the Premiership. There's so much hope for non-league clubs - nobody ever HAS to loose any community spirit.