Daish has got to go!

[John Pearce]

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Harry J Allstars said:

However one way that this was poor was that WVN seems to have been proved right. Okay mate you win well done. You hide behind your computer when no-one knows who you are (at least that’s what you think) and revel in the Fleets demise just so you could say ha-ha I told you so.

I suggest that you read my posts above, and those posted on previous threads.

I don't really give a toss if people know who I am, as you say many people already do anyway.

Those that do know me, will know that I am not the sort of person to gloat, or say I told you so. I would have much rather have been proved wrong, that way the Fleet would have been enjoying a successful season and everyone would be happy.

[Harry J Allstars]

Sorry Darren, I was trying to express not that you coulnd't be bothered but that you genuingly couldn't make it.

[kmj]

Yes, but Margate lost too Gary!

[Alan W (GNFC)]

I actually thought today was a vast improvement in most respects on recent home games such as Scarborough.

 

We simply lacked a final ball and someone to finish moves off, But several fans around me were saying they were enjoying the game.

 

The 3 quick goals changed everyones tune, however and then there were comments such as "This isnt Conference standard its not even Ryman standard" - god how our fans overstate things - all that talk of playoffs when we had a few good results, switching to extreme negativity now.

 

Now I'm not saying everything in the garden is rosy - most certainly it isnt and theres a lot to work on.

 

There was never 3 goals between the 2 teams today, though - I dont think Aldershot actually made Craig make another save during the game - they took the 3 chances they had (ok, there were a couple of close calls where they failed to get the final touch as well), whereas we failed to finish our chances - Smith's chance set up late by Slatter would undoubtedly have been taken by Charlie and if we'd had Charlie on the pitch, I suspect he would have finished the one where Smith got round the back as well

 

Ross was generally solid at the back as usual, Slatts had a decent game for the most part, Smith did well holding the ball up and laying it off up front, although he's clearly not a natural goalscorer and Fuller didnt do badly either.

 

Liams bit in the programme praised the PASE team - perhaps he should try throwing one of them into the 1st team now (Darvill has, of course, been mentioned before and Liam mentions Mike McKenna who scored a hatrick in the Kent Intermediate Cup Semi)as I dont think we're allowed to bring in further loan players now?

[Peter W.]

I know it would take a lot of messing about, but if you go to the conference guide site and look at where we were last season at this time you will find we were 14th with 46 points, so only one point different and one place lower last year. This is our first season as nearly a full time side, so we are playing catch up on most of the league.We do not have the resources of the majority of clubs either, but I am a GNFC supporter wether times are good or bad, endless critisism does nothing for the players or the management.Before anyone asks yes I was there today and have travelled away a few times this season as well as attending Kent Cup matches and reserve games, so I have seen the team at all levels.

[Andy Y. (G&NFC)]

Who are you kidding WVN. I bet there is nobody (with the exception of C.G) who is happier tonight than yourself with the way things are going.

 

I'm obviously using a computer that turns all the positive things you have said about the managership of this club since the demise of Fordy into negative statements, because I'm buggered if I can remember a good word that either of you two have said.

 

I'm not trying to defend anyone here as I wasn't at the game today and, yes I've witnessed some utter [****!!****] this season, as I did during the end of Fordys reign too! And I'm certainly not trying to stop honest debate on this site, but you have constantly been sniping at Daish since day one. Why is it so personal to you? is he knocking off one of your family or something or are you the Worlds best judge of character who got it right where everyone else was wrong!

 

You may be right about things, but whereas the majority of people on this forum are saddened by events, you seem to be positively revelling in it all.

[John Pearce]

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Alan W (GNFC) said:
There was never 3 goals between the 2 teams today

I'm sorry Alan but I think that when you read the papers on Sunday, there was 3 goals between the teams!!!

The final score was 3-0. There are far too many if's and but's in your arguement. The facts are that Aldershot, who on today's showing are at best an average Conference side who showed precisely why they have been struggling all season, still managed to pick-up an easy three points against a very poor 'Fleet side.

I agree that there were not that many chances at either end, but in a club where almost evey player signed seems to be a defender, the 'Fleet do seem to have a habit of letting in poor goals and today was no different.

The way things are going Daish is going to be forced to play PASE players as there are very few others who are fit enough to finish the season. The problem with throwing young inexeperienced players into the deep-end too soon is that if they struggle it will do very little for their confidence. Very much like many of the players who were on show today against Aldershot?

[Stu M]

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White Van Nistelrooy said:
Having now heard Daish's excuses on Radio Kent, I am even more convinced he should go!Todays's result is down to inexperience???

Funny that, considering he brought Johnson on at half-time when McKimm could have come on... or had Glozier on the bench when Skinner has clearly been ostracised. And it's hardly worth mentioning Protheroe again.

I'm not necessarily in the Daish-out camp, but just because WVN has been negative all season (when I haven't agreed with him) doesn't mean his current point of view is wrong. Today's argument is valid. We lost 3-0 to an average side, the season is over, crowds are poor, and we now have to turn one eye to next season. On current form, we're very like Crawley were last season, and they've only just escaped by the skin of their teeth.

[Matt (GNFC)]

As Chatham Gary has pointed out Liam has wasted money putting together a very lopsided squad. Too many leftbacks, one to many full time goalkeepers. As one person correctly said to me yesterday we have gone from a very good part time outfit to a very mediocre full time team. Can this be addressed in the next couple of seasons, i dont think so. Potential supporters as i mentioned many months ago dont really want to go to a worn out tired stadium. The kids for a quid scheme is a great initiative from the club but neutrals are not being attracted to what is boring football and also a poor stadium with a lifeless atmosphere. Perhaps we'd be better switching back to part time, getting ourselves a nice little modern stadium built and then building a team once we have the infrastructure in place. There's no point paying out full time wages having big ideas about moving to a new ground if we go into administration within 18 mths because current crowds couldnt sustain full time football. I would much rather see ourselves rebuild at a lower level to become stronger for the future than tread water at this level.

Everyone says we've moved on but i would like to see Andy Ford back at the club, there's no better man to manage Gravesend and Northfleet as he's passionate about the club, something that the players will also feel when they pull on a Fleet shirt managed by Andy.

[Riverview Supporter]

many of us travelled down to a poor Forest Green last season. Before the fleet began to dominate , The forest green bench was very very berbal , As soon as they went behind , it all went quiet. The team was clueless an d fleet ran out 5-1 winners.

 

Yesterday , The bench was animated until the first goal , then in the second half , when we were 2-0 down , Daish and crew were silent , unanimated . Almost like a sven goran ericsson figure.

 

That man couldnt motivate a Frenchman in a Brothel

[Hempstead Gaz]

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Harry J Allstars said:
What a great game today.

First half we played nice passing football got forward a few times and then we were unfortunate enough to concede a goal.

When the second half started it was a disappointment to see Saunders going off due to his reoccurring back injury, and Johnson coming on.

What followed was a great goal by Aldershot that was applauded by many home fans, including me, and saw the Shots fans singing the "easy" chant. They were right.

The second half continued to be poor as we never really got going, without Saunders in the team we are a very poor side.

I went into the bar today to tell the manager what I thought but unfortunately he wasn't in there and neither was the chairman or any of the directors so couldn't ask questions or share my thoughts.

As for my comments about this being a great game for the Fleet, these things often take a while to see, WATCH THIS SPACE!* I don't know anything and haven't been speaking to anyone the people that would make such a decision I haven't seen since I sold them a golden goal on the way into the ground.

However one way that this was poor was that WVN seems to have been proved right. Okay mate you win well done. You hide behind your computer when no-one knows who you are (at least that’s what you think) and revel in the Fleets demise just so you could say ha-ha I told you so.

And Chatham Gary what about you, yeah okay your also right but you sent a message via your sad little text phone thingy at the end of quite a good first half, I bet you couldn't wait for us to go a goal down so you could put that on here. Shame you don't ever go to away games where you could post some more drivel except you'd have some sort of readership which you don't get at home games as everybody is at the ground (except for Fleetfanatic who I saw on Thursday and was going to try and come today).

*Cheers to Greg! etc etc...

Sorry Harry, I've lost your thread. Are you actually for or against Liam?
I have only started being critical of Liam in the last 4 weeks or so (check out my postings history if you need to be pedantic).
I was one of many always prepared to give Liam the benefit of a year or so to turn Andy's part time team into a Daish full time team.
Yesterday, in the 2nd half we saw the culmination of his efforts.
Nobody can deny how poor we were.
Well, he has now had a year or so in charge, and can anyone put their hands up and say what we have now is better than we had a year ago?.
I accept that Liam has brought in some very good players, such as Craig, the Smith twins, Bowry, Slatter and Charlie.
So why are we playing so badly?
Liam said or RK that it was down to inexperience!!
For goodness sake, they are all his "inexperienced" players".
If he needed some wise heads out there, Mckimm was warming the bench, Skins was in the stand and Provs was running Margate's midfield.
He only has himself to blame.
As to various comments about me agreeing with WVN - we have had many dissagreements - ask him! On this though, I reckon he is spot on.
Hard to believe, but it makes me weep to see us so poor, it would give me no pleasure in getting relegated, but with dwindling crowds, lack of income, playing budget cuts, I fear we are in for a long slog next year.
You are absolutely right, Harry, I do not go to away games,! I work 6- 2.30 on Saturdays. Only with the help of AIRWOLF could I hope to make any.
That said I went to 80 CONSECUTIVE games, both home and away in the early 1980's, so please don't preach that I am not a loyal supporter.
As for my batphone - so what if I make postings on this forum during the game?. There were plenty of supporters who were not there to watch, so perhaps one or 2 found my posting readable.
Come to that, Aldershot brought about 350 - 400 , meaning we were down to our basic 700 again - on a day when the Gills and Charlton were not in the area.

[John Pearce]

A final thought from me on yesterday's game.

 

According to Daish, or so it has been attributed by our local press, the team were determined to gain revenge for the 3-2 defeat in the last minute at Aldershot and gain some revenge for the 6-1 hammering at Grays.

 

Well the first of those games is now over and for my part I saw little of the passion and determination that, was promised by the manager and required to avenge the earlier defeat.....

 

Bring on Grays!

[BustaGut]

I felt that the first half we did not play to badly, Until we gave them the first goal. Up until then I thought we had the edge.They went on to score a really good goal, that seemed to drain any remaining belief that our players had left. I thought both Fuller,and Slatter tried to get us back into the game, but with little success.

 

I think the vast majority knew we were in trouble, when Rawle was injured, (best game I had seen him play to date )A defender was brought on to allow another defender could go up front to be our major strike force!!!!

 

As far as management go, I think there are things going on behind the scenes that we are unaware of. and one of them is to remove the part timers from the club. If going full time with all the benefits of full time training etc are better, then why oh why did they not let the part timers play themseleves out of the team, rather than force them out, or are the benefits not as great as we were led to believe, or are the part time player's just plain better players??? and making the full time ones look bad.

 

 

The team and the end of the day is contolled by money. We have no new sponsor that I am aware of.We have falling gates, and a team playing badly.So where do we go from here??? No money to expand the squad, and a manager that a lot are not happy with.If we are going to change the managment should do it now,So that we can start rebuilding for next season, by using the remaining games to practise with.

[Hempstead Gaz]

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BustaGut said:
As far as management go, I think there are things going on behind the scenes that we are unaware of. and one of them is to remove the part timers from the club. If going full time with all the benefits of full time training etc are better, then why oh why did they not let the part timers play themseleves out of the team, rather than force them out, or are the benefits not as great as we were led to believe, or are the part time player's just plain better players??? and making the full time ones look bad.

Full timers will invariably be fitter than part timers, Busta, but that alone does not make them better players.
What we evidenced yesterday was a lack of organisation, which comes from repeated practice. Endless poor set pieces were wasted, whether they were free kicks from 25 yards, or just boring old corners, no plan no method.
I think the trouble could be that without MaCarthy and MaKimm, we had no natural captain to lead by example. Bowry did OK, but rarely shows the leadership qualities that younger players need to look to for inspiration.

[Harry J Allstars]

I am neither Daish in or out, I am a guy that wants to see Gravesend & Northfleet Football Club do well. If that’s with Daish at the helm or not remains to be seen.

 

This does somewhat contradict the point I made yesterday about the game. I had just returned home from the bar where I intended to ask Daish what was his game plan for the match, what are his views on our current position and where he sees us ending up at the end of this and next season.

 

As I have said none of the directors or Daish made it to the bar, this demonstrated to me that perhaps those mentioned above do not care. Upon reflection I sure many of them do care, the directors have put a lot of money in and also apart from anything else are supporters of the club. You only have to talk to them to know that they want the club to do well not only for financial reasons but also because they, like all of us, want to see the club do well.

 

As for Liam it is at the moment hard to say whether he feels any compassion for the club. It may only be the thing that puts bread on the table to him but to me and to many others it is something a little more than that. I hope he doesn't think "ah well I'm not fussed, it’s only a job so what do I care?" With him not turning up to the bar to see the fans it shows that he has this view of things.

 

CG I never questioned your support for this club and sorry if it came across like that, you clearly support GNFC and only want the team to do well. A persons passion for his team is not summed up by how many miles in a season he travels to watch his team or by how many away games he makes on the trot, how many post's he puts on a forum, or by how many Christmas raffle tickets he sells, in fact I don't think there is an action anyone man can do to demonstrate how much he loves his team, it is in his heart. We all do what we can for our team the rest is up to circumstance.

 

However we played our best 45 minutes of football yesterday that we had played for a long time and were, I think, unfortunate to be 1-0 down. You saw this as too good an opportunity to be missed and thought you would continue to demonstrate your anti-Daish cry. This comes across to other that you can't wait to see the club do badly, not to me as I have said I don't doubt your loyalty but to others you are seen as the anti-Fleet.

 

As for you WVN I also don't doubt your loyalty to the club, there is no doubt that you passionately care about how this club which you don't need me to confirm for you. However you too are seen as a minion of the anti-Fleet. As you have said you have not until you started this thread called for the head of the manager of this club. This makes it even more suspicious as you clearly haven't liked Daish from the beginning yet why leave it this long to ask him to leave. "Daish" and "Out" are two words that now are as common as "Bread" and "Butter" so why you have waited this long is beyond me.

 

Now back to my comments about this "being a great game". I wasn't completely pissed but I had had a few and was angry that I never got to put my points across to the manager in person. I have talked about him not showing up looking like he doesn't care this only added to my anger.

 

This is probably down to an anger that has grown within me throughout the season, had this been at the beginning of the season it may not have shown through like it did. Yesterday was not a good day for the Fleet at all, whether Liam leaves as a result or not, we still lost.

 

This is an example of how dangerous a message board can be. Yes I said something with out thinking about it and that is wrong but I am in a position to be held accountable for what I say. People know who I am and can stop and ask me what I meant by certain comments. Others are not and use this place as a way of running a campaign against a certain person. I have word that there is to be another Fans Forum take place, well I would like one or two of you guys come along and say, yeah my name is WVN and this is what I think about the team, club etc. But you won't.

[FleetFanatic]

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Harry J Allstars said:
This is an example of how dangerous a message board can be. Yes I said something with out thinking about it and that is wrong but I am in a position to be held accountable for what I say. People know who I am and can stop and ask me what I meant by certain comments.

Oh please, somebody is only 'accountable' if they hold a position of importance!
(If Roly came on here criticising Daish, for example.)

You are not 'accountable' for anything - you are merely just another voice!
I think Daish was the wrong choice & many people know who I am too!
But I am not 'accountable' for that stance - it is merely an individual expression of opinion.

Like I said - we'll be lucky to get another 5 points by the end of the season. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />

And people can go to all the fans forums they like - it won't change what goes on.
At one forum the fans were promised 'less long-ball hoofing and more of a passing game' - months later, we have the hoofing game being defended as 'how most sides in this division play'.

If everybody went to the next forum and demanded Daish Out, do you think it would happen as a result?

I don't.

[Hempstead Gaz]

Both Harry & FF are right. We all want what is best for Fleet- it is just the way we want the club to respond to this poor form is different.

Oh, and Harry, you'll have to put up with my batphone a while longer- I'm stuck in a ward in Medway Hospital with a poisoned elbow & blood poisoning!!

[Slartibartfast]

Just as a matter of interest, and there is no reason why you shouldn't be the same people, but are any of the people calling for Daish to go now the same ones who wanted Andy Ford out last season?

Oh and who would you replace him with?

 

Get well soon C.G. hospital food sucks.

[Hempstead Gaz]

Thanx, Slarti, it's worse than a Fleet gristleburger!!

And I've alway been and remained a big AF fan

[Hempstead Gaz]

And Andy Hessenthaler is available next season