The Trust - seperate thread

[epicrebel]

richie are you going to pay windsor the price of the pints

[Guest]

no, but if you ask windsor if we could maybe come to an arrangement where the club puts part of the ticket money towards the price of a pint. How much is a barrel of beer £80 we could cover the cost of that, i am just putting ideas out, they may not work but why not look into it.

[epicrebel]

how about with the token aswell money off at tummies (4 david )

[richierebel]

you joker! but seriously I am sure there would be some companies that would go in for a contra deal like that, but you may not even need a free beer to entice people maybe just an offer of 2 games for the price of one or something like that.

[epicrebel]

most of the board i think would go along with you there but the same old thing it's up to the club to say 2 for 1 deals ect.

[Guest]

Copy again for all to see what our mandate was at our launch...this was copied from Ian Latheys posting :

 

A good representation of what the trust was form to do and has acheived....

 

But I know we have to do more...and we need your help too....

 

 

This has been posted after a conversation with Staines Rebel, who was un happy that we were giving money to charities instead of keeping it in the trust ! Also He commented to me that we should have been formed into a charitiable trust, since talking with a few people ...we can do this when we form a Football in the community scheme this part could beecome a charity , but as for running a football club we can not become a charitable trust... (that is why the trust was form as a back up)

 

Quote : From Ian Lathey

 

Seems as there is some unnecessary comments being made, I thought I'd dig out the presentation from the Trust launch evening to clarify what was said at the time....

 

Trust Aims and Objectves:

 

- Flexible

- Fund raising and sponsorship

- Involvement in youth football

- Encourage Community based club

- Promote positive image for Slough Town F.C.

- Ensure long term future of Club

- Obtain and secure permanent home in Slough

 

How will it be achieved?

 

- Involvement with local companies

- Partner with local teams and clubs

- Support and sponsorship

- Increasing awareness of Slough Town F.C.

- Working with current owners

- Pressure on Slough Borough Council

- Ensure future is not dependent on individuals

- Involvement & support of Trust members

 

Whilst anyone can be critical about certain aspects of the Trust (and I could list several things I'd like to see done), many of the elements listed above have been achieved. You could point to the fact that the two important objectives haven't been (secure future and get a new home) but how much impact can a Trust with a couple of hundred members have in that respect? Especially when it's so hard to communicate with the people running the club.

 

Food for thought.

 

unquote...

 

 

Thanks to Ian for the posting...

 

Chris sliski

[Roger Rebel]

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Copy again for all to see what our mandate was at our launch...this was copied from Ian Latheys posting :

 

A good representation of what the trust was form to do and has acheived....

 

But I know we have to do more...and we need your help too....

 

 

This has been posted after a conversation with Staines Rebel, who was un happy that we were giving money to charities instead of keeping it in the trust ! Also He commented to me that we should have been formed into a charitiable trust, since talking with a few people ...we can do this when we form a Football in the community scheme this part could beecome a charity , but as for running a football club we can not become a charitable trust... (that is why the trust was form as a back up)

 

Quote : From Ian Lathey

 

Seems as there is some unnecessary comments being made, I thought I'd dig out the presentation from the Trust launch evening to clarify what was said at the time....

 

Trust Aims and Objectves:

 

- Flexible as long as you do as the club says

- Fund raising and sponsorship for who

- Involvement in youth football yes

- Encourage Community based club not working

- Promote positive image for Slough Town F.C. not working

- Ensure long term future of Club just about

- Obtain and secure permanent home in Slough not working

 

How will it be achieved?

 

- Involvement with local companies not working

- Partner with local teams and clubs not working

- Support and sponsorship not working

- Increasing awareness of Slough Town F.C. not working

- Working with current owners not working

- Pressure on Slough Borough Council not working

- Ensure future is not dependent on individuals just about

- Involvement & support of Trust members not working

 

Whilst anyone can be critical about certain aspects of the Trust (and I could list several things I'd like to see done), many of the elements listed above have been achieved. You could point to the fact that the two important objectives haven't been (secure future and get a new home) but how much impact can a Trust with a couple of hundred members have in that respect? Especially when it's so hard to communicate with the people running the club.

 

Food for thought.

 

unquote...

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

Thank you Chris for convincing me about my decision not to renew my trust membership, our conversation helped me see the wood for the trees.

 

Also Ian's post has shown me that the two most important reasons why the trust was set up are as far as ever out of reach - the long term future of the club and otaining a secure and permanent ground.

 

The unfortuante reality is that the trust will never have the finances to run the club unless it starts at the bottom of the pyrimid which is something that I belive none of us want.

 

I wish the trust well in its efforts to support the club where it sees fit.

[epicrebel]

wot a cop-out S-R1. 1) how can the trust secure the clubs future while deana owns it. 2) without the club the trust can't get a ground which the local coucil will not give. afc wimbledon done it with all the supporters backing, so you want to walk away and see the end of slough town f.c. because if deana does do a runner there's only the trust left to pick the club up, so you opting out helps who?

[Ian]

The Trust should have several objectives, some short term, some long term. Also the objectives should be a mixture of relatively easy to achieve and those which may at this stage seem a dream. The objectives the Trust has have the right balance. Having the opinion the Trust should do nothing other than try and take over the club is incorrect - it goes against everything Supporters Direct say about how football trusts should be established. If that's really what people want they shouldn't join the Trust.

 

If Martyn walks away and the Trust has to take over legal ownership, who's to say somebody wouldn't contribute sufficient funds to the Trust to enable them to continue running the club at this level? That may happen it may not but what is guaranteed is that a Supporters Club is not a legal entity that could take ownership of a football club, a supporters Trust is. The old STSA were criticised for not being proactive. The formation of the Trust was a proactive step.

 

Having the legal structure in place is just one aspect though, the hard part is then encouraging supporters to work for the Trust. THEIR Trust. I'm not suggesting that the Trust have got everything right, as I don't believe they have and they would probably say that too. I'm not in a position to stand for the board and put in the work myself however so it would be hypocritical to moan about the efforts of others.

 

It's fair however to defend them against the accusation that they are doing anything other than was clearly set out at the launch in January 2004.

[Guest]

Ian is quite right..we know as a board we have done thinks maybe not to everyones approval and maybe wrong in some eyes...however we know we can improve on some too...we will give our best to try and keep a steady ship, and are fully aware that we have our downfalls..

 

Just to reply to Staines Rebel..if you knew our objectives and were happy to join the trust on the first occassion, what has really changed ?

 

So instead of abandoning ship, now...work with us put yourself up for election and steer us in the way you think fit ?

 

we need everyone....and that include's you...The Trust is for its members and safety net for the sake of our club an aim we should be all looking to help in this cause.

 

kind regards chris sliski

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

Thanks for that comment Chris, Yes I did join the Trust as per the objectives set down, but over time I have changed my view on how I belive the club and trust needs to move forward and that unfortuately conflicts with the trusts objectives.

 

I will however continue to support the club in ways I feel that suit me.

 

As I said before, I wish the trust well in supporting the club in the way it feels fit.

[GarySTFC]

Whilst I think the Trust is far from perfect, I'm sure they are not being aided by the way the club is run at the moment - which in fairness is a complete shambles. Fair play to those involved on that side for keeping us going, but it can't remain like this.

 

Back to the trust though, to achieve their goals, surely the Trust needs all the members it can to support it to achieve them? If you're a member, you'll surely be able to have a stronger voice as to what you feel is being done incorrectly rather than from 'the outside'?

 

It's definitely a difficult situation for all parties involved, mainly down to the situation with the football club. Personally, I don't think we can do much apart from get as much in the kitty as possible and then see what happens as nobody really knows what the hell is going on with the club off the pitch, so what hope has the Trust got?

 

As is said all along, if we're not all pulling in the same direction, do we really have much hope of saving it if it does goes tits up?

[Guest]

To be honest Gary the reason i did not renew my membership was i was realy p****d off that we gave trust money to Dover FC, and i dont care if it was only 50p we should look to our self first and last.

[Roger Rebel]

Sorry forgot to log on.

 

RR

[GarySTFC]

I agree Roger, but also, we need to be making 'friends' with other clubs so we can count on their support when we really need it as well. Dover was a bit different as it was self induced, but others (Brook House was one wasn't it?) who had simply run into trouble due to the costly nature of the game these days, deserved some help.

 

At the end of the day, if Dover return the favour if/when we're really in trouble, then will it have been worth it? I think so.

[epicrebel]

it's all done in kind, you give, you get back. If your seen helping others others help you. Do you know this saying? By NOT being in the trust all your doing is spiteing the football, without as much money as possible there is no hope at all. If the club ( as gary puts it ) goes tit's up, you can look back and say i helped towards the end of the club THANKS!!!!!!!

 

 

I'm one P---ed off supporter, wot can you do on your own. NOTHING we've got to sick together.

[GarySTFC]

We've got to sick together? That's a different one!

[Guest]

When we were protesting outside Slough Town Hall we had no help or support from any other club. By the way Dover is a far more afluant club than ours.

[Roger Rebel]

Here's a better one Charity begins at Home