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Chatham Gary said:
Trouble is, Boreham Wood is not an isolated result. Remember Kettering, Hornchurch and Bishop's Stortford. We really can be consistantly crap against lower teams in cup games.


I don't think you can really include Hornchurch in that list. As soon as i saw us drawn against them I knew it was one of the hardest ties we could have got. With players such as Lee Elam in their team we were hardly likely to win.

As for Saturday's result, yes we were rubbish (except for three minutes when we scored and MacDonald volleyed superbly against the post) but one thing to remember is our shocking record in the Trophy. Another thing was that Borehamwood played very well, as a form team who have only lost twice all season. However, this doesn't excuse a passionless performance. Coleman was dire, Protheroe barely passable, Skins got skinned by their number 8 throughout the first half, as was McCarthy by their number 10. I was reminded of Halifax at home last year, where they took advantage of our slow defence with quick passing and balls over the top.

On the Daish topic, he has brought in dross such as Coleman and Scott 'Badding', but also Ross, Bobby and Charlie, three of the best players I have seen down Stonebridge Road. On the one hand he has kept Moore (who Liam describes as a top talent) in favour of a striker with the ability (and speed) of a wounded snail, yet on the other hand he has put Drury back in the team and got the best out of him (he was good once again today). Also it is no good to slag off loan signings, since Fordy signed his fair share of donkeys during his reign, just like Liam has this season and last (remember Sigere???).

I think the bottom line is we are stuck with Liam for the duration, since the board will not pay off his two year contract. All we can do in the meantime is support the players and, hopefully, confidence will breed success.
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Charlie desperately needs a partner up front.


Is Daish the only person that can't see this? Everybody's been saying that we need at least one extra striker since before the start of the season.

Can't comment on yesterday, as I wasn't there....thank god. Sounds/reads that it was at least as bad as Kettering and that was appalling.

As the club are now professional and from Daish's comments he was clearly not happy with a number of individual performances (going by the result that should probably have read everyones performances) then the players should have been brought in for extra training today.

If anyone has any doubt as to why home attendances are falling, they only have to look at yesterday's result. It doesn't matter how good Boreham Wood were, a professional Conference side should be able to at least have got a draw against a side 3 divisions and 50 places below. Quite clearly Daish's tactics against sides from a lower league leave a lot to be desired...Bishops Stortford, Kettering and now Boreham Wood.
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When I woke up yesterday we were 10th in the Conference and still in two cups, one of which we are favourites to win and one of which we weren't. This morning we are still 10th in the Conference and are still favourites to win the KSC.

Couldn't agree more. Fair enough, the extra publicity and gate reciepts that could have been were needed, but we still have another go at a cup, plus another half a season to play in the league. What would getting rid of Daish do for us right now? Create instability, makes the public more sceptical about us (who wants to watch a club with no manager?) makes the players lose confidence in the board and therefore doubt their own futures, and gives us an unstable image as a club which won't attract players. Leave things 'til the end of the season and the start of next, see who Daish brings in and where we finish, moniter our attendances. For now, leave the DAISH OUT stuff out <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />
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The thing about the trophy is it's only a cup, anyone can win it. I would have sacrificed yesterdays game for an LDV cup spot and thats now what we must aim for. We can achieve it. But from what I see Daish now has no excuses he must deliver a top half of the table spot or this can only be seen as a poor season. Fans must come along and think yeah I want more of that, so far this season we've only give them Halifax at home and Woking away. A good FA Cup run playing one of the big boys from the league or getting to the Trophy final would have been a winning season, so its top half or failure.

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No more excuses. We must win the KSC at all costs to restore what little Kentish pride we have left, AND we must strive to win at least 12 of the remaining games together with a few draws to get into a top 8 spot.
If not then we can consider this a poor season by any standards, and one which started with such high hopes and expectations has turned into a real damp (and very expensive) squib.

Agreed Harry. Pretty much what I said earlier on.
Roll on Friday and stuff Canvey 6-0!!
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The thing about the trophy is it's only a cup, anyone can win it.


Everyone, that is except the Fleet?

I bet the directors won't have taken that view.

The thing about winning the league is...it's only a cup?

What a bloody ridiculous comment. If its only "a cup" why bloody enter it in the first place?
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You all moan about Liam Daish. Ok our performance today was terrible but when we play our game I honestly think we are capable of reaching the Play-Offs.


However, that statement could easily be applied to almost every side in the division.

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Coleman was useless today - he had a golden chance and blazed high and wide!


I'm not sure receiving the ball on the edge of the box with a crowd of defenders between you and the goal can be described as a 'golden chance'. Still, even if one states in Coleman's defence that the service can leave a lot to be desired, this doesn't seem to be as much of a problem for Moore, who seems able to get himself involved in the game more when he comes on.

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Slartibartfast said:Striving hard to find something positive to say about todays performance and the only thing I can come up with is it was good to see Jacko back.


At least the game provided the amusement of Bangura's strop when he was dismissed.

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Graham S said:Yes it might be true, but for those people who clearly have decided they don't want Liam as manager to treat something they've "heard" as gospel does them less favours than it does him.


Couldn't have put it better myself.

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Slartibartfast said:When I woke up yesterday we were 10th in the Conference and still in two cups, one of which we are favourites to win and one of which we weren't. This morning we are still 10th in the Conference and are still favourites to win the KSC.


Exactly. As has been said, can you imagine what fans of other clubs would think if we jettisoned our manager despite residing in what would be our best league finish in this current Conference stint? Add this to the financial implications of paying him off, and it becomes totally unrealistic. Admittedly, a lot of discontent probably comes from the fact that there have been many games where we've been a bit lucky to pick up the points we have, and that there haven't been too many good games in terms of entertainment. Unfortunately, the fact is that it's a results business, and if you'd offered me a 10th place finish at the start of the season, I'd have accepted it gladly. Of course, worrying issues such as the lack of firepower up front mean we could easily slide down the table.

Furthermore, a note of caution, Slarti: remember the standard of team Liam put out in the KSC last season when we had nothing else to play for? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
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However, I am concerned about the way people are treating as fact the rumour that Liam has asked for more money, because of the evening training. Yes it might be true, but for those people who clearly have decided they don't want Liam as manager to treat something they've "heard" as gospel does them less favours than it does him.


I think you'll find that it hasn't been described as the gospel truth.

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Allegedly, Liam wants a wage rise because he can only train the part time players at night, after they've finished work.


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Ask Daish that one - if you can find him, that is, in between his alledged wage-increase requests.


At the end of the day, there isn't an agenda against Liam Daish.
In this business, it's all about performances and the performances, in general, aren't there.

If you bought something in a shop that was rubbish, you wouldn't complain?
Do people not complain when the trains are rubbish?

Why should yesterday's dog-poo of a performance be treated any different?
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At the end of the day, there isn't an agenda against Liam Daish.
In this business, it's all about performances



Interesting use of the choice of the word 'performances', though, FF - in a different scenario, where Daish was playing Kevin Keegan-style entertaining football but propping up the table, his detractors would argue it was all about results, not performances. And his results - in so far as league position is the final arbiter of them - say he's 10th and to all intents and purposes safe from relegation. Not something we could say for the past three seasons (albeit in an arguably poorer league).

I've got no axe to grind either way, I'm neither a Daish fan nor a Daish Outer, but while some of the performances have been disappointing and/or dross, it's consolidation we need now, not a headlong rush for the play-offs at a club that is ill-equipped for them.
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Interesting reading some Canvey comments about their home defeat:

 

'A number of players need to take a look at themselves after that game today. It was gutting watching a side who didn't seem to have a single player who wanted to grab the game and start to deal with it.'

 

'Let's show a little fire in our bellies. Perhaps if the players do that then maybe the crowd will respond. It's all very well the players saying get behind the team but if the effort is not there on the pitch then why should the fans make the effort!!!'

 

'Everything aside - this defeat isn't going to help the club at all. Early exits from all the cup competitions means no real money going into the coffers. Thats obviously going to have a knock on effect.

 

I personally hope we push for a top 10 spot and get involved in the LDV next season but I can't see many of the fickled fans being drawn when our season is "for them" all but over........and yes I appreciate that for "us" consolidation this year was important and we seem to be on track for that - just my thoughts.'

 

'The above are my opinions and others may have seen it differently. I wouldn't say that the players didn't try - but those that did played as individuals. Some players never really got involved in the game. We didn't seem to have any width and created numerous problems for ourselves with little movement off the ball and some woeful passing.'

 

Funnily enough, they could be describing us after yesterday.

 

Friday night is going to be interesting.....

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and its only five points to York......

 

Saturday was rather crap, and considering I paid £30 for a train, on a journey that took me 3 hours, and £10 to get in it was the worst game for me this season.

 

My highlights of yesterday was that bloke who threw his top down at being sent off. Brilliant!!

 

My thanks goes to those who shouted the abuse at the players... In such a ground I know they could hear every word and Im sure it really helped them.

 

Anyway to conclude, we are 10th, we were not the only side to lose to a lower division team. We will be back

 

Up the fleet

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However, I am concerned about the way people are treating as fact the rumour that Liam has asked for more money, because of the evening training. Yes it might be true, but for those people who clearly have decided they don't want Liam as manager to treat something they've "heard" as gospel does them less favours than it does him.


I think you'll find that it hasn't been described as the gospel truth.

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Allegedly, Liam wants a wage rise because he can only train the part time players at night, after they've finished work.


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Ask Daish that one - if you can find him, that is, in between his alledged wage-increase requests.


At the end of the day, there isn't an agenda against Liam Daish.
In this business, it's all about performances and the performances, in general, aren't there.

If you bought something in a shop that was rubbish, you wouldn't complain?
Do people not complain when the trains are rubbish?

Why should yesterday's dog-poo of a performance be treated any different?


If you read my post, you'll see I'm not taking exception to people complaining. If you went, you have every reason to complain - it was excruciating enough just listening to it online.

What I was commenting on was people judging Liam as grasping & overpaid on the basis of what everybody admitted was no more than an allegation. People have a right to criticise the players & management for what they saw on the pitch with their own eyes but not to make personal judgements based on what has been "heard" & has proceeded from an un-named or unknown source.

I'd love to see the Fleet in a Trophy Final & our going out has knocked an enormous hole in the rest of the season for me. (Sorry, the KSC is about as exciting a prospect as sipping lukewarm tea whilst watching bowls, now they hold the final in the evening & not on the May Bank Holiday any more.) Hopefully come the end of work on Friday I shall be really looking forward to the Canvey game, but at 4.50 yesterday I couldn't have given a damn about it.

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