One of the best FA Cup teams of all time!!!

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Seems that despite never reaching the 3r... in the FA Cup

 

I suggest Billy Minter get's the nod!

 

Quote:

Clubs are being asked to nominate these players via a vote on their club websites and must send their entries before this season’s FA Cup Fourth Round, on the weekend of 28th January 2006

 

Webbo???

RTS ??????

[Rob_the_Saint]

Yes I noticed that on Friday. I'll try to get something proper organised later, but in the meantime, how about a few suggestions for the following:

 

'The FA are looking for one goalkeeper, one defender, one midfielder, one forward and, of course, a manager to lead them into battle from each club.'

 

Assuming they mean players that have played for our club, I'll go for Bazza, Kevin Mudd, Lenny Piper, Stevie Clark and Sir Col.

[Webbo MFI]

I'm a bit lost as to where to vote etc.

 

We have played in the FA Cup since 1908 but haven't exactly set the world alight...

 

 

Date Opponent Competition Result Att MR

October 08

Sat 3 H Upton Park FA Cup / 1st QF D 1 - 1 Details

Thu 8 A Upton Park FA Cup / 1st QF® L 2 - 3 Details

September 09

Sat 18 H Tufnell Park FA Cup / Prem W 1 - 0 790 Details

October 09

Sat 2 H Barnet Alston FA Cup / 1st QF D 1 - 1 1276 Details

Thu 7 A Barnet Alston FA Cup / 1st QF® L 0 - 2 Details

September 10

Sat 17 H Luton Celtic FA Cup / Prem W 5 - 1 Details

October 10

Sat 1 H Barnet Alston FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 1 Details

Sat 15 H Tufnell Park FA Cup / 2nd QF D 0 - 0 Details

Thu 20 A Tufnell Park FA Cup / 2nd QF® L 1 - 3 Details

September 11

Sat 30 A Chesham Town FA Cup / 1st QF D 2 - 2 Details

October 11

Thu 5 H Chesham Town FA Cup / 1st QF® W 3 - 0 Details

Sat 14 H Barnet Alston FA Cup / 2nd QF L 1 - 2 Details

October 12

Sat 12 A Apsley FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 0 Details

November 12

Sat 2 A Enfield FA Cup / 2nd QF L 0 - 2 Details

September 13

Sat 27 H Page Green Old Boys FA Cup / Prem L 1 - 2 Details

October 19

Sat 11 H Barnet Alston FA Cup / 1st QF W 1 - 0 Details

Sat 25 H Luton Clarence FA Cup / 2nd QF D 0 - 0 Details

Wed 29 A Luton Clarence FA Cup / 2nd QF ® L 2 - 3 Details

September 20

Sat 25 H West London OB FA Cup / Prem W 1 - 0 Details

October 20

Sat 9 A Leavesden FA Cup / 1st QF D 1 - 1 1200 Details

Thu 14 H Leavesden FA Cup / 1st QF ® W 3 - 1 Details

Sat 23 H Barnet FA Cup / 2nd QF W 4 - 2 3000 Details

November 20

Sat 6 H Hampstead FA Cup / 3rd QF L 1 - 2 3500 Details

September 21

Sat 24 A Edmonton FA Cup / Prem W 4 - 1 Details

October 21

Sat 8 A Polytechnic FA Cup / 1st QF W 4 - 2 Details

Sat 22 A Hampstead Town FA Cup / 2nd QF W 4 - 2 5300 Details

November 21

Sat 5 A R.A.F. Henlow FA Cup / 3rd QF W 3 - 0 Details

Sat 19 A Clapton FA Cup / 4th QF W 3 - 2 Details

December 21

Sat 3 A Nunhead FA Cup / 5th QF D 0 - 0 Details

Thu 8 H Nunhead FA Cup / 5th QF ® W 2 - 0 Details

Sat 17 A Gillingham FA Cup / 6th QF L 1 - 3 8500 Details

November 22

Sat 18 H Dulwich Hamlet FA Cup / 4th QF D 1 - 1 5215 Details

Wed 22 A Dulwich Hamlet FA Cup / 4th QF ® L 7 - 8 4060 Details

November 23

Sat 17 A Ilford FA Cup / 4th QF D 1 - 1 Details

Thu 22 H Ilford FA Cup / 4th QF ® W 3 - 0 Details

December 23

Sat 1 A Sittingbourne FA Cup / 5th QF L 1 - 2 Details

November 24

Sat 15 A Lynn Town FA Cup / 4th QF D 1 - 1 3718 Details

Thu 20 H Lynn Town FA Cup / 4th QF ® W 8 - 1 2500 Details

Sat 29 H Brentford FA Cup / 5th QF W 5 - 3 8825 Details

December 24

Sat 13 A Hartlepools United FA Cup / 6th QF L 0 - 4 Details

November 25

Sat 28 A Leyton FA Cup / 1st Rd L 0 - 1 5594 Details

November 26

Sat 27 A Chatham FA Cup / 1st Rd L 1 - 3 4327 Details

November 27

Sat 12 A Kettering Town FA Cup / 4th QF L 1 - 9 4380 Details

November 28

Sat 10 A Kettering Town FA Cup / 4th QF L 1 - 6 2500 Details

September 29

Sat 21 A Wealdstone FA Cup / Prem L 0 - 4 Details

September 30

Sat 6 H Welwyn Garden City FA Cup / XPrem W 9 - 0 Details

Sat 20 A Barnet FA Cup / Prem L 2 - 6 Details

September 31

Sat 5 H Hertford Town FA Cup / XPrem W 9 - 1 Details

Sat 19 A Old Lyonians FA Cup / Prem W 3 - 1 Details

October 31

Sat 3 A Hoddesdon Town FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 2 Details

September 32

Fri 2 H Chesham United FA Cup / XPrem D 1 - 1 Details

Sat 3 A Chesham United FA Cup / XPrem ® L 1 - 2 Details

September 33

Sat 2 H Watford British Legion FA Cup / XPrem W 6 - 1 Details

Sat 16 H Berkhamsted Town FA Cup / Prem D 3 - 3 Details

Wed 20 A Berkhamsted Town FA Cup / Prem ® L 1 - 3 Details

September 34

Sat 1 H Apsley FA Cup / XPrem L 1 - 3 Details

September 35

Sat 7 H Hoddesdon Town FA Cup / XPrem W 4 - 2 Details

Sat 21 H Shredded Wheat FA Cup / Prem W 3 - 1 Details

October 35

Sat 5 H Wealdstone FA Cup / 1st QF W 3 - 1 Details

Sat 19 H London Caledonians FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 2080 Details

Thu 24 A London Caledonians FA Cup / 2nd QF ® W 3 - 1 Details

November 35

Sat 2 A Leavesden FA Cup / 3rd QF L 2 - 5 1691 Details

September 36

Sat 19 H Old Lyonians FA Cup / Prem W 4 - 2 Details

October 36

Sat 3 A Leavesden FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 0 Details

Sat 17 A Golders Green FA Cup / 2nd QF L 0 - 4 Details

September 37

Sat 18 A Apsley FA Cup / Prem W 4 - 1 Details

October 37

Sat 2 H Harlow Town FA Cup / 1st QF W 6 - 1 Details

Sat 16 H Tufnell Park FA Cup / 2nd QF W 2 - 1 Details

Sat 30 A Enfield FA Cup / 3rd QF L 1 - 3 3100 Details

September 38

Sat 17 A Apsley FA Cup / Prem L 1 - 2 Details

September 45

Sat 8 H Finchley FA Cup / Prem W 4 - 3 Details

Sat 22 H Wealdstone FA Cup / 1st QF D 2 - 2 Details

Wed 26 A Wealdstone FA Cup / 1st QF ® L 0 - 3 Details

September 46

Sat 21 H Apsley FA Cup / Prem W 5 - 1 Details

October 46

Sat 5 H Hertford Town FA Cup / 1st QF W 5 - 1 Details

Sat 19 H Harrow Town FA Cup / 2nd QF L 2 - 5 Details

September 47

Sat 20 H Chipperfield FA Cup / Prem W 1 - 0 Details

October 47

Sat 4 A Leavesden FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 2 Details

November 47

Sat 1 H Clapton FA Cup W 2 - 0 Details

September 48

Sat 4 A De Havilland Vampires FA Cup / XPrem W 5 - 0 Details

Sat 18 A Polytechnic FA Cup / Prem W 3 - 0 Details

October 48

Sat 2 A Leavesden FA Cup / 1st QF W 4 - 1 Details

Sat 16 H Wealdstone FA Cup / 2nd QF L 0 - 5 Details

September 49

Sat 17 A Ruislip Manor FA Cup / Prem W 2 - 1 Details

October 49

Sat 1 H Crown & Manor FA Cup / 1st QF W 4 - 1 Details

Sat 15 H Wealdstone FA Cup / 2nd QF L 0 - 1 Details

September 50

Sat 16 H Finchley FA Cup / Prem W 1 - 0 Details

Sat 30 A Wealdstone FA Cup / 1st QF W 5 - 1 Details

October 50

Sat 14 A Enfield FA Cup / 2nd QF L 0 - 2 Details

September 51

Sat 29 H Maidenhead United FA Cup / 1st QF W 3 - 1 Details

October 51

Sat 13 H Slough Town FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 Details

Wed 17 A Slough Town FA Cup / 2nd QF ® L 0 - 4 Details

September 52

Sat 27 A Barnet FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 1 3238 Details

October 52

Sat 11 H Hendon FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 Details

Thu 16 A Hendon FA Cup / 2nd QF ® L 1 - 3 Details

September 53

Sat 26 A Slough Centre FA Cup / 1st QF W 1 - 0 Details

October 53

Sat 10 A Wealdstone FA Cup / 2nd QF L 0 - 2 6559 Details

September 54

Sat 11 A Eton Manor FA Cup / Prem W 1 - 0 600 Details

Sat 25 A Clapton FA Cup / 1st QF D 1 - 1 1100 Details

Thu 30 H Clapton FA Cup / 1st QF ® L 0 - 1 Details

September 55

Sat 10 A Hertford Town FA Cup / Prem W 2 - 1 1450 Details

Sat 24 A Clapton FA Cup / 1st QF D 0 - 0 Details

Tue 27 H Clapton FA Cup / 1st QF ® W 4 - 1 Details

October 55

Sat 8 A Enfield FA Cup / 2nd QF L 2 - 4 Details

September 56

Sat 8 A Letchworth Town FA Cup / Prem L 0 - 1 Details

September 57

Sat 7 A Hoddesdon Town FA Cup / Prem D 2 - 2 Details

Thu 12 H Hoddesdon Town FA Cup / Prem ® W 4 - 1 Details

Sat 21 A Clapton FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 3 Details

September 58

Sat 20 A Barnet FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 1 Details

October 58

Thu 9 H Cheshunt FA Cup / 2nd QF L 2 - 3 Details

September 59

Sat 19 A Hoddesdon Town FA Cup / 1st QF L 0 - 2 Details

September 60

Sat 10 H Dunstable Town FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 1 Details

Sat 24 A Stevenage FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 Details

Thu 29 H Stevenage FA Cup / 2nd QF ® D 2 - 2 Details

October 60

Mon 3 H Stevenage FA Cup / 2nd QF (2r) W 3 - 2 Details

Sat 8 A Hitchin Town FA Cup / 3rd QF L 0 - 4 Details

September 61

Sat 9 H Cambridge City FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 2 Details

September 62

Sat 8 A Cambridge City FA Cup / 1st QF L 0 - 3 Details

September 63

Sat 7 H Bletchley Town United FA Cup / 1st QF W 3 - 0 Details

Sat 21 A Biggleswade Town FA Cup / 2nd QF L 4 - 5 Details

September 64

Sat 5 H Letchworth Town FA Cup / 1st QF W 3 - 2 1308 Details

Sat 19 A Hitchin Town FA Cup / 2nd QF L 0 - 4 1774 Details

September 65

Sat 4 H Dunstable Town FA Cup / 1st QF W 3 - 0 1561 Details

Sat 18 H Hitchin Town FA Cup / 2nd QF W 2 - 0 1535 Details

October 65

Sat 2 H Bletchley FA Cup / 3rd QF L 0 - 1 2039 Details

September 66

Sat 3 A Hounslow Town FA Cup / Prem L 0 - 2 Details

September 67

Sat 16 H Hitchin Town FA Cup / 1st QF D 0 - 0 1404 Details

Tue 19 A Hitchin Town FA Cup / 1st QF ® L 1 - 3 1881 Details

September 68

Sat 21 A Wycombe Wanderers FA Cup / 1st QF D 0 - 0 2651 Details

Thu 26 H Wycombe Wanderers FA Cup / 1st QF ® W 1 - 0 2608 Details

October 68

Sat 5 H Erith & Belvedere FA Cup / 2nd QF W 3 - 2 1254 Details

Sat 19 A Hitchin Town FA Cup / 3rd QF W 2 - 0 2202 Details

November 68

Sat 2 A Corby FA Cup / 4th QF W 1 - 0 1529 Details

Sat 16 A Wealdstone FA Cup / 1st Rd D 1 - 1 3505 Details

Tue 19 H Wealdstone FA Cup / 1st Rd ® W 1 - 0 5108 Details

December 68

Sat 7 H Walsall FA Cup / 2nd Rd D 1 - 1 4867 Details

Tue 10 A Walsall FA Cup / 2nd Rd ® L 1 - 3 10626 Details

September 69

Sat 20 A Erith & Belvedere FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 2 Details

September 70

Sat 19 H Marlow FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 0 Details

October 70

Sat 10 H Bedford Town FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 Details

Mon 12 A Bedford Town FA Cup / 2nd QF ® W 3 - 2 3537 Details

Sat 24 H Leighton Town FA Cup / 3rd QF W 2 - 1 1506 Details

November 70

Sat 7 A Hendon FA Cup / 4th QF D 0 - 0 1815 Details

Tue 10 H Hendon FA Cup / 4th QF ® L 1 - 2 2351 Details

September 71

Sat 4 A Romford FA Cup / Prem L 0 - 3 Details

September 72

Sat 16 A Gravesend & N'fleet FA Cup / 1st QF D 1 - 1 Details

Tue 19 H Gravesend & N'fleet FA Cup / 1st QF ® W 1 - 0 1020 Details

October 72

Sat 7 A Addlestone FA Cup / 2nd QF W 1 - 0 Details

Sat 21 A Barking FA Cup / 3rd QF L 2 - 3 Details

September 73

Sat 15 A Dartford FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 4 Details

September 74

Sat 14 A Epping FA Cup / 1st QF D 0 - 0 Details

Tue 17 H Epping FA Cup / 1st QF ® D 2 - 2 Details

Mon 23 A Epping FA Cup / 1st Rd (2r) W 2 - 1 Details

October 74

Sat 5 H Letchworth Town FA Cup / 2nd QF W 1 - 0 Details

Sat 19 A Hitchin Town FA Cup / 3rd QF L 1 - 2 Details

September 75

Sat 13 H Tooting & Mitcham Utd FA Cup / 1st QF D 3 - 3 Details

Tue 16 A Tooting & Mitcham Utd FA Cup / 1st QF ® L 0 - 4 Details

September 76

Sat 4 A Molesey FA Cup / Prem L 1 - 2 Details

September 77

Sat 17 A Carshalton Athletic FA Cup / 1st QF W 3 - 2 Details

October 77

Sat 8 H Leytonstone FA Cup / 2nd QF W 2 - 0 Details

Sat 22 H Barnet FA Cup / 3rd QF L 2 - 4 Details

September 78

Sat 16 A Hounslow FA Cup / 1st QF D 1 - 1 Details

Tue 19 H Hounslow FA Cup / 1st QF ® W 4 - 2 Details

October 78

Sat 7 H Wokingham Town FA Cup / 2nd QF D 0 - 0 Details

Tue 10 A Wokingham Town FA Cup / 2nd QF ® L 1 - 4 Details

September 79

Sat 8 A Milton Keynes City FA Cup / Prem W 2 - 1 Details

Sat 15 H Kempston Rovers FA Cup / 1st QF L 0 - 2 Details

September 80

Sat 13 A Chesham United FA Cup / 1st QF W 1 - 0 Details

October 80

Sat 4 A Harrow Borough FA Cup / 2nd QF W 4 - 3 Details

Sat 18 H Dulwich Hamlet FA Cup / 3rd QF W 2 - 1 Details

November 80

Sat 1 A Harwich & Parkeston FA Cup / 4th QF D 2 - 2 Details

Tue 4 H Harwich & Parkeston FA Cup / 4th QF ® W 3 - 0 Details

Sat 22 A Gravesend & N'fleet FA Cup / 1st Rd W 2 - 1 1659 Details

December 80

Sat 13 H Torquay United FA Cup / 2nd Rd D 1 - 1 4601 Details

Wed 17 A Torquay United FA Cup / 2nd Rd ® L 1 - 4 2638 Details

September 81

Sat 19 H Grays Athletic FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 1 Details

October 81

Sat 3 A Leyton-Wingate FA Cup / 2nd QF D 2 - 2 Details

Tue 6 H Leyton-Wingate FA Cup / 2nd QF ® W 4 - 1 Details

Sat 17 H Dunstable FA Cup / 3rd QF L 1 - 5 Details

September 82

Sat 18 H Abingdon Town FA Cup / 1st QF W 4 - 1 Details

October 82

Sat 2 H Hampton FA Cup / 2nd QF L 1 - 3 Details

September 83

Sat 3 H Banstead Athletic FA Cup / Prem W 10 - 0 Details

Sat 17 A Leyton-Wingate FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 1 Details

October 83

Sat 1 H Hornchurch FA Cup / 2nd QF W 3 - 0 Details

Sat 15 A Windsor & Eton FA Cup / 3rd QF L 1 - 4 Details

September 84

Sat 15 A Grays Athletic FA Cup / 1st QF L 0 - 3 Details

August 85

Sat 24 H Wolverton Town FA Cup / Prem D 1 - 1 Details

Tue 27 A Wolverton Town FA Cup W 2 - 0 Details

September 85

Sat 7 A Woodford Town FA Cup / 1st QF L 0 - 1 Details

September 86

Sat 13 H Ruislip Manor FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 2 305 Details

September 87

Sat 12 A Leytonstone-Ilford FA Cup / 1st QF L 0 - 2 170 Details

September 88

Sat 17 H Malden Vale FA Cup / 1st QF W 1 - 0 281 Details

October 88

Sat 1 A Dartford FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 707 Details

Tue 4 H Dartford FA Cup / 2nd QF ® L 2 - 4 329 Details

September 89

Sat 16 H Wealdstone FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 2 526 Details

September 90

Sat 15 A Ford United FA Cup / 1st QF L 1 - 3 114 Details

September 91

Sat 14 A Thetford Town FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 0 131 Details

Sat 28 H Brimsdown Rovers FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 336 Details

October 91

Tue 1 A Brimsdown Rovers FA Cup / 2nd QF ® L 0 - 2 188 Details

September 92

Sat 12 H Brimsdown Rovers FA Cup / 1st QF W 3 - 1 Details

Sat 26 H Rayners Lane FA Cup / 2nd QF W 5 - 1 Details

October 92

Sat 10 A Stevenage Borough FA Cup / 3rd QF D 3 - 3 Details

Tue 13 H Stevenage Borough FA Cup / 3rd QF® W 2 - 1 Details

Sat 24 A Telford United FA Cup / 4th QF W 2 - 1 Details

November 92

Sat 14 H Cheltenham Town FA Cup / 1st Rd L 1 - 2 Details

September 93

Sat 11 A Chesham United FA Cup / 1st QF L 0 - 5 Details

September 94

Sat 10 A Leyton FA Cup / 1st QF W 2 - 1 Details

Sat 24 H Hillingdon Borough FA Cup / 2nd QF W 11 - 1 Details

October 94

Sat 8 H Romford FA Cup / 3rd QF W 1 - 0 Details

Sat 22 H Enfield FA Cup / 4th QF D 0 - 0 Details

Tue 25 A Enfield FA Cup / 4th QF® L 2 - 4 Details

September 95

Sat 9 H Barton Rovers FA Cup / 1st QF W 4 - 1 Details

Sat 23 A Woodbridge Town FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 Details

Tue 26 H Woodbridge Town FA Cup / 2nd QF ® W 2 - 0 Details

October 95

Sat 7 H Romford FA Cup / 3rd QF W 3 - 1 Details

Sat 21 A Hitchin Town FA Cup / 4th QF L 1 - 2 Details

September 96

Sat 14 A London Colney FA Cup / 1st QF D 0 - 0 757 Details

Tue 17 H London Colney FA Cup / 1st QF ® W 4 - 1 568 Details

Sat 28 H Yeading FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 397 Details

October 96

Tue 1 A Yeading FA Cup / 2nd QF ® W 1 - 0 220 Details

Sat 12 H Stanstead FA Cup / 3rd QF W 5 - 0 479 Details

Sat 26 A Witney Town FA Cup / 4th QF W 4 - 0 606 Details

November 96

Sat 16 A Wisbech Town FA Cup / 1st Rd W 2 - 1 2509 Details

December 96

Sat 7 A Bristol City FA Cup / 2nd Rd L 2 - 9 7136 Details

October 97

Sat 25 H Hendon FA Cup / 4th QF L 1 - 2 708 Details

October 98

Sat 3 A Romford FA Cup / 2nd QF W 2 - 1 427 Details

Sat 17 H Basildon United FA Cup / 3rd QF W 3 - 0 533 Details

Sat 31 H Kingstonian FA Cup / 4th QF D 1 - 1 861 Details

November 98

Tue 3 A Kingstonian FA Cup / 4th QF® L 1 - 1 (4 - 5) 845 Details

September 99

Sat 18 A Bedford Town FA Cup / 2nd QF W 2 - 0 851 Details

October 99

Sat 2 H Nantwich Town FA Cup / 3rd QF W 4 - 2 504 Details

Sat 16 A Canvey Island FA Cup / 4th QF D 3 - 3 711 Details

Mon 18 H Canvey Island FA Cup / 4th QF® W 2 - 1 678 Details

Sat 30 H Bamber Bridge FA Cup / 1st Rd L 0 - 2 1127 Details

September 00

Sat 30 A Baldock Town FA Cup / 2nd QF D 0 - 0 432 Details

October 00

Tue 3 H Baldock Town FA Cup / 2nd QF ® L 1 - 2 185 Details

September 01

Sat 29 H Billericay Town FA Cup / 2nd QF L 0 - 1 441 Details

September 02

Sat 28 H Wingate & Finchley FA Cup / 2nd QF W 2 - 0 532 Details

October 02

Sat 12 H Chelmsford City FA Cup / 3rd QF W 1 - 0 718 Details

Sat 26 A AFC Sudbury FA Cup / 4th QF W 2 - 1 780 Details

November 02

Sat 16 A Stockport County FA Cup / 1st Rd L 1 - 4 3033 Details

September 03

Sat 27 H Grays Athletic FA Cup / 2nd QF L 2 - 4 420 Details

October 04

Sat 2 A Heybridge Swifts FA Cup / 2nd QF W 2 - 0 279 Details

September 05

Fri 23 A Enfield Town FA Cup / 2nd QF D 1 - 1 525 Details

Tue 27 H Enfield Town FA Cup / 2nd QF ® W 3 - 0 436 Details

October 05

Sat 8 H Kettering Town FA Cup / 3rd QF D 0 - 0 882 Details

Tue 11 A Kettering Town FA Cup / 3rd QF ® L 0 - 4 1220

[Wilf Woodend]

In 35 years of watching the closest I can come to a City hero in the cup is Paul Mayles for his equaliser against Torquay. I would need reminding who scored in the replay. I am surprised to be rated so highly with so few times in the first round.

 

Surely we should all get behind a Billy Minter campaign and get him some much deserved publicity with a knock on effect to the club. Look at what Bazza has had written about him with the club legend competition.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

I think Billy Minter should be the striker, lets face it he holds the record for most goals scored by a single player and still be on the losing side!