Bookings Update

[David Holden]

After much research with the FA on which cards count and which don't, I now have the definitive bookings position for the 1st Team squad here

 

Interesting to note that should the late Mr Kwashi wish to return he starts with a one match ban.

[Alan ( GNFC )]

Dave , with reference to bookings at what number do bans start ?

I expect that's our next obstacle .

Ah well , it's all gone well for a few years ,hopefully a minor blip .

I'm clearing out our cellar at the moment ( I live in an old pub ) and amongst old Fleet progs I not only found nos 1-6 of 'No Idea' but also three issues of Alan Fothergill's 'Halfway Chat' . Now that was when we were in the doldrums c1987 .

Hooray for the long forgotten Mr Hockley .

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[Guest]

Do you know what the score is in respect of fines ? Used to be 5 or 6 bookings in a game and you pick up a fine - something we can ill afford. I understand we have already had one £1000 fine - any more looming as this must surely impact on Andy's ability to find and pay new players, especially without the £20k from an FA Cup victory !!

[David Holden]

Bans come in at 5, 10 and 15 bookings, usually, 1, 2 and 3 matches as you reach each milestone.

[David Holden]

This is taken from the FA Site and relates only to the Conference:

 

8. DISCIPLINARY ACTION ON CLUBS FOR MISCONDUCT BY THEIR PLAYERS

 

(a) Any Club who has 6 or more individual Players cautioned or Dismissed from the Field of Play in the same match will be automatically fined the sum of £500 for the first occasion during the Season. For a second / third / fourth etc. occasion in the same Season, the fine on the Club will be £1,000 / £1,500 / £2,000 etc.

 

( Any Club whose players accumulate a total number of Penalty Points in First Team matches during a Season, and that total is considered to be appreciably above the average number of points in the same League, may be required to appear before a Commission of the Disciplinary Committee and shall be liable to be warned and/or fined for having permitted its players to violate the Laws of the Game in contravention of F.A. Rule G.2.1. In of the Hearing to The Association. Any action taken by the Club to addition, the Commission shall be entitled to order the Club to pay the cost discipline its players under Section 6(j) will be taken into consideration by the Commission in its findings. In so far as this Regulation shall apply, the following Points will be recorded against a Club for First Team offences: - For all recorded First team cautions - 4 Points For Sending off under Law 12 (4)(5) & (7) - 10 Points For Sending off under Law 12 (1)(2)(3) & (6) - 12 Points

 

© Proceeds of fines imposed under this section of the Disciplinary Procedures shall be disbursed to agreed Football Charities at the end of the Playing Season.

 

(d) A Club required to appear before a Disciplinary Commission shall be represented by at least one of its Directors and the Manager.

 

(e) The Football Association reserves the right to prefer a Charge against a Club at any time during the Season arising from Field Offences committed by players of the Club, all records will be reviewed to the 31st December 2002 and Clubs may be ordered to attend a commission to discuss a record that is deemed to be poor at that stage of the Season.

 

For all the information on disipline, including lists of suspended players vist FA Site

[David Holden]

Just for comparison, this is the same first paragraph from the Premier League:

 

(a) Any Club who has 6 or more individual Players cautioned or Dismissed from the Field of Play in the same match will be automatically fined the sum of £25,000 for the first occasion during the Season. For a second / third / fourth etc. occasion in the same Season, the fine on the Club will be £50,000 / £75,000 / £100,000 etc.

 

Ouch!

[mikef]

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© Proceeds of fines imposed under this section of the Disciplinary Procedures shall be disbursed to agreed Football Charities at the end of the Playing Season.

 

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At least the money is going to a good cause.

 

Could we apply to become an "agreed Football Charity" !!!.

 

Regards

 

Mike F

[David Holden]

I think it should all go to "Laser Corrective Treatment for Referees and their Assistants"

[Guest]

With reference to bookings et al. Don't be surprised if there's a flurry of cards on Saturday.....! Just hope that we get a few less reds than Halifax and can nick a couple of goals with the advantage!

 

http://www.confguide.com/cgi-bin/cards2k2.mpl

 

I don't think either of us look a particularly good bet for a Fair Play award?

[Alan W (GNFC)]

Trouble is that this is self perpetuating - if the refs look at these tables, they probably actually turn up expecting a rough game, and the need to book players.

 

There has to be a slight suspicion that refs will book players for offences that, with a side with a better disciplinary record, would only get a talking to (although I'm sure the match officials would strongly deny this).

[GaryFB]

So you're saying that all referees turn up with a pre conceived idea of how the game is going to be played.

 

The only people who set the tone of the game are the players themselves, if they try and kick sh*t out of each other then plenty of cautions will follow. However if the players decide they want to play fotball then less cautions will ensue.

 

At our current level I think you'll be very lucky to get through a game without 4 cautions overall, but then that's just a personal opinion.

[Alan W (GNFC)]

Thats probably not the case, but you do just wonder sometimes - after all, its even been mentioned in the Premiership this year about a players reputation going before him - Alan Smith being a prime example.

 

Its probably more likely that refs generally should be reviewing how poor a challenge needs to be before it is bookable. Some of the bookings we have seen this year have been for very minor contact, such as those last week for Strouts & Kwashi.

 

There are also inconsistencies between refs - Booth was booked at arnet for his handball, which whilst deliberate was more a fun thing than anything else, whilst players handling the ball in their own box, such as the Margate player last week, dont get carded.(Fair enough if it was deemed accidental, but then if it was, why was the penalty given?)

 

Football is, after all, a physical game surely there needs to be some common sense applied?

 

[Roy gnfc]

So we have 24 players on the books,and still have problems fielding eleven!