What if...?

[Ribbit]

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Joe White said:
I think that Yellow's post yesterday just about hit the button. Back in the 60's I used to go to Hackney Speedway every Friday, but thinking back there were times when we left the track saying "what a load of rubbish", but we were always back for the next game.
Yellow implies that watching a match is addictive and I agree. All you regulars will always go to each match good or bad, but all it takes is to miss a game or two, for whatever reason and suddenly the addiction is not there and it becomes easy to just not go. and once you don't go to two or three matches, you don't go to five or six matches and then you don't go at all.
The gist of this posting is to say that no matter what is put before the public, the regulars will always go and the "ifs and buts" might if they feel like it. There is no way that I know of that will change the habits of a lifetime for people.
Sure we must always try to attract more people, but I think that only a sucessful team will do this. Just look at the Southend attendances this season compared to when they were trying to escape relegation to the Conference.
I agree that a new ground might help, but we are in a catch22 situation insomuch as why do we need a new ground when we have such little support, but do we have such little support because we only have an old ground?
If I knew the answer maybe I'd be rich!!

I don't necessarilly think our new ground would improve attendances in the long term. Short term it might be a bit of a 'new thing' to do for a lot of people and the team might be able to ride on the crest of that wave for a season or so, but in the long term, that would die and our attendance probably would be that much better than it is now, at least not unless we find some new success (which brings us back to the original point). People just don't care about Canvey when there are other teams around. I don't particualrly mean Arsenal or Chelsea, but even the likes of Southend and Grays doing well must be putting off people coming to us oiver them.

[A Non E Mouse]

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Ribbit said:
I think the two go hand in hand. Forget about the money and let's have our fantasy.

Arghhhh - a team consisting of 11 Pamela Andersons - not a bad fantasy to get your hands on.......

[Sharming Paula]

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Ribbit said:
People just don't care about Canvey when there are other teams around. I don't particualrly mean Arsenal or Chelsea, but even the likes of Southend and Grays doing well must be putting off people coming to us oiver them.

Grays are scum!! Only Chavs follow them! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />
Are people from the Rock Chavs? Doubt it

[ronin]

Burton Albion have a new ground this season and have an average of just over 1400, last season there average was just over 1300. I`m sure they were hoping for a boost to their attendance with the new ground but with the team having a poor start that hasn`t happened, it looks to me that no matter what you do with your ground it`s what happens on the pitch that counts.

[ken]

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Just Champion said:
why do most people say if we moved to waterside we would get more supporters, most people would still have to drive. maybe you'll get some more from Benfleet if it was closer for them, but then you'll lose some from the point. most people don't walk so how putting it next to waterside is this going to help, if you can get to waterside you can get to the Lane.
i think we should be looking in other areas to get people in.
when we have a big fan base then look at a new stadium, it has got to be paid for don't forget

it isnt a matter of getting there (although for people coming on the train it would help) it is about awareness. it seems insane to me but there are still lots and lots of people on the Island who are unaware of the football club or at least the level it plays at. it will be alot harder to avoid knowing about the club when there is a massive stadium staring at you whenever you come home from work

[richard sparkes]

surley a nice new ground would attract bigger match day sponsers with meals being served etc the club would make money that way to

[Phil Old Boy]

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Paula said:

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[Phil Old Boy]

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ronin said:
Burton Albion have a new ground this season and have an average of just over 1400, last season there average was just over 1300. I`m sure they were hoping for a boost to their attendance with the new ground but with the team having a poor start that hasn`t happened, it looks to me that no matter what you do with your ground it`s what happens on the pitch that counts.

Interesting.

Wonder how much they would have if they were top 5?

[Chris G.]

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blooming barmy bongo said:

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Phil Old Boy said:

Only got to find a formula now to pay for it!

Ill start selling my body on the streets that should make 50p

Do you reckon you would get fifty clients bongo <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[ronin]

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Phil Old Boy said:

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ronin said:
Burton Albion have a new ground this season and have an average of just over 1400, last season there average was just over 1300. I`m sure they were hoping for a boost to their attendance with the new ground but with the team having a poor start that hasn`t happened, it looks to me that no matter what you do with your ground it`s what happens on the pitch that counts.

Interesting.

Wonder how much they would have if they were top 5?

Well they got 6065 for a game against a mainly unknown Man Utd side last night so i think they could attract good crowds if they were pushing for the title.

[A Non E Mouse]

I was looking at this "all time conference table" from Confguide.

 

All Time Conference Table

 

I looked at certain "non league" clubs that have played in the Conference and noticed some of the attendances and quite a few never really broke the 1,000 mark and seemed to attract crowds simlar to those that we currently have. When they did break the 1k mark it was generally a local derby. Even when the likes of Hereford played away at some of these teams they never broke 1k but settled around 6-700. Teams such as Hayes, Sutton, Gateshead and even Bath City never achieved big numbers in general.

 

Perhaps we have become obsessed with crowd numbers because of the big influx of ex league clubs.

 

I appreciate however that some of these teams were in the conference in the 90's and they never became conference regulars. I also appreciate that crowds equals revenue and that equals good playing staff, facilities and a certain amount of stability.

[blooming barmy bongo]

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Chris G. said:

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blooming barmy bongo said:

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Phil Old Boy said:

Only got to find a formula now to pay for it!

Ill start selling my body on the streets that should make 50p

well i would have to give them £50 change <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Do you reckon you would get fifty clients bongo <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[CANV EFM]

burtons ground is one of those all metal crapholes.. totally souless..

the picture going around of the new ground a while back looked good with concrete terraces behind each goal.. those crappy mecano grounds are rubbish

[YELLOW]

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Joe White said:
I think that Yellow's post yesterday just about hit the button. Back in the 60's I used to go to Hackney Speedway every Friday, but thinking back there were times when we left the track saying "what a load of rubbish", but we were always back for the next game.
Yellow implies that watching a match is addictive and I agree. All you regulars will always go to each match good or bad, but all it takes is to miss a game or two, for whatever reason and suddenly the addiction is not there and it becomes easy to just not go. and once you don't go to two or three matches, you don't go to five or six matches and then you don't go at all.
The gist of this posting is to say that no matter what is put before the public, the regulars will always go and the "ifs and buts" might if they feel like it. There is no way that I know of that will change the habits of a lifetime for people.
Sure we must always try to attract more people, but I think that only a sucessful team will do this. Just look at the Southend attendances this season compared to when they were trying to escape relegation to the Conference.
I agree that a new ground might help, but we are in a catch22 situation insomuch as why do we need a new ground when we have such little support, but do we have such little support because we only have an old ground?
If I knew the answer maybe I'd be rich!!

Quite right. One of my friends who supports a non league team that shall remain nameless has supported them for over ten years so their loyalty is not in question but moving out of the area they now have an hour's drive to watch their team. Plus the fact they also have a mortgage to pay means cutting out unnecessary expenses and often means having to work Saturdays. As a result they don't go as much.

Sometimes people have other things going on in their lifes and Saturday is the only day they can do these things. I have noticed this season people who used to be regulars don't go as much. It's these people we should be trying to keep.

[Reisaldinho]

david powells a leader a david powells a leader lalalalala

[YELLOW]

Cheers Reiss!!!

[South Mouth]

People keep on worrying about the attendances if we had a new ground but i dont see it as a major problem.

 

If we get the new ground, it will improve attendances. Seeing that new ground WILL attract people from elsewhere.

 

Someone earlier said that people near Park Lane will then stop coming to the new ground because of exactly the same problem as why people dont come to Park Lane. I don't think that is true either. I think the majority know and love the club and will make their way down. If they have made the effort to come and watch a game, then they will make a 5-10 minute journey down.

 

I think people think if we have a new stadium, it's gonna be like Southend's ground or something. It will be slightly bigger yes, but not a problem. Remember, it will be 6,000 capacity with 1,000 seats. So a bit like Dagenham's ground. I don't think having a ground that big will be a problem.

 

As i said before, people will see the stadium, come over more and i think this will be the start of the rise for us. Biggercrowds can bring more sucess. It means more revenue which can eventually let us go full-time and as i said in another thread, if we go full-time, watch this club fly in similar circumstances like Grays have.

[Guest]

We need to be realistic we currently have a small catchment and we are playing way above our level.

 

We have a slightly smaller than hoped but realistic crowd for a club this stage in its development. The only thing that will have a very big impact on the crowd is a new ground and success.

 

We can slightly increase the numbers by marketing etc, that will also increase the sales of burgers and shirts etc.

 

In the end we need a new ground or accept that this is where we are for the near future, me I would be happy with both.

 

The atmosphere at Canvey is excellent and getting beter as are the people, the football is good, the burgers are nice and the coffee aint awful all the time.

 

Lets encourage people but not get down hearted if we do not see immediate results.

[YELLOW]

The problem is the crowds are not consistant. At the start of the season we were getting 1,000 plus crowds and about 900 of those were home fans.

 

Now the crowds have dropped to below 500 for the last game. I'm not expecting miracles but I feel no matter who we are playing and whatever the weather we should be getting at least 700-800 home fans through the gates. We were getting about 500/600 in the Ryman League and an improvement in the standard of team should attract another 150 or so to games.

 

Whilst the away support has obviously risen, the home support hasn't.

[Spursman]

Improving facilities? Some soap in the bogs would be a step in the right direction to start with... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />