Chris Kinnear

[Cookie]

It should be said also that the players should also be supporting us fans too in return by giving a little more from that tank.

[blueblood]

What is your opinion June on trying to get one or more person/s to take the responsibility of organising the choir on the terraces(Was it Dagenham who had the trumpeter,someone else had a drummer),to rekindle the atmosphere we the we took to Dover and Ashford,when we were few.We must have someone out there with large enough lungs/loud enough voice.Perhaps a whip round for a drum.Though i have no objections to music being played at the ground ,i am thinking ,sometimes it is to the detrement of the atmosphere in the ground.Being one who likes to stand near the half way line, sometimes i cannot here the crowd above the tune. If i can't at midway,surley the team can't at the other end. Whats your view.Everyones comments welcome.

[zhukov]

At the heart of the matter is the lack of being able to see any progress on the field of play. We have seen glimpses in the two games against Fisher of good teamwork but very little in other games. Supporters and directors are bound to be concerned if they cannot see the team improving. Let us hope that by Christmas CK can produce signs of improved teamwork.

[blueblood]

Last night on Radio Kent ( around 6-50) CK said he was hoping to bring 4 players he is talking to over the next few days.

[Cookie]

Nice of you to try an change the direction of the thread BB. Maybe a good thing. I will however give my views on the singing. Where has it gone?All credit to those doing their bit yesterday but its still not being voiced in the way that it used to be. I am a guilty one in that I dont sing but those that did on previous occasions are either not turning up for the games now for whatever reason or simply not bothering to sing anymore & that should be a cause for consern also. Do we actually have much to cheer about lately? Good point you make there BB.

[blueblood]

Not realy trying to change Tony.just trying to expand on Junes last point.I agree the way things are it does't give much insentive.Surley though this is the time when the choir is needed most. Not meaning to change again but, Do you know any thing about the Corbett situation, is he here, at what stage is he at in the fitness stakes. i did't have time to ask yesterday. look forward to reading your reply later as it time for work.ps will you be going to U18's on tuesday night,if on, weather permitting.

[seasidesteve]

the problem is the players we have are just not good enough and replacements of players that have gone are no improvement.sacha-maxwell...watson-remy or yega if the new ones are no better whats the point it just disrupts the team.any decent players wont be available till january

[Megaphone_Matt]

Losing CK would be right downer for the club so we should keep for a while. He holds such a morale boost because he is a familiar face. However I agree some of his tactics are bad and he seems to be losing some of his talent. It happens to the best. Afterall Alf Ramsey lost it after a while

[MargateFan]

I can't see any harm in trying to get some more singing going, Blueblood, and we do have some good voices in the away choir, and some try at home I know. It is amazing to me how we always seem to make so much more noise away than at home, however, and you would think that that would not be the case with the amount of people who are at Hartsdown. I do admit that this season I have not sung at home much, I was put off at the first match by how many songs were put out about hating other teams, references to 'scum' etc. but at least that has dropped away now. It is also difficult as I tend to stand in other places than just behind the goal these days.

But in more general terms I was not only referring to the singing, but to support in general, that seems to only manifest itself these days in a catalogue of whinges, depressing comments and predictions, and some personal slagging off of players in particular, but anyone in general. It is not pleasant, uplifting, humourous, or gratifying in any way and tends to destroy any sense of occasion on match days or even in between. And I must say that it seems limited to our club, I have never encountered it on other websites. I am not against constructive criticism, but ours borders on the destructive. The other thing is that the younger people start to take it as the norm and then think it is the way to conduct themselves, and I think it is an awful example to set, and we have seen some of the consequences on here too.

I do try to call out encouraging things to players when I see them doing something good. I used to feel like a real idiot doing it until several of the players, in conversations, told me how very important it was to them, and how it helped lift their game. Imagine if more than a few of us did it?

I will put at the end of this very long and boring diatribe a reminiscence from last season. We were at the tail end and things were not going good, and we went to Bognor Regis and were 2-0 down at half time. A few of us got talking at the break, and remembered the Maidenhead match, and how that turned around from a similar half time score, and what a fantastic experience that game was, with all the singing and cheering and the final result 4-2. We made a conscious decision to have a 'Maidenhead moment'. So when the lads ran out, looking pretty deflated, we made as much noise as we could, cheered, clapped, sung and chanted, and kept it up for the second half. And the lads looked up, a bit shocked. And CK peered at us from the dugout, looking surprised. And we played a blinder and finished 2-2. And it was a huge amount of fun. And although it did not help us in the relegation battle, it was worth going all that way just to feel like that. And it was a lot more uplifting than shouting f*ing w*nker at every player that made an error - I think for them as much as us.

End of.

[michael]

I think seaside steve makes a good point insofa as stability(manager and players) can count for more than change.

 

As SS says, what was the point of changing Sacha for Maxwell, and equally good though Sesay may be, Jermaine Brown was a better deputy at wing back for Oates than Sesay

[JohnKirby]

what we perhaps need is some easy to sing tunes noted down on a blog so people can leave comments too, and decide definitively where we would stand at a game. make it known and then go for it.

 

I love it when it all comes together at games, although we seem to lose it either one half or another

 

any news on the statement???

[Wellsie]

Interesting debate this.

 

What I find most interesting is the idea that people believe that they have more information than CK does to decide which players to acquire, keep and get rid of. What about training? What about the relationship between individual players and the manager? What about the relationship between the players? These are all things that have an impact at any place of work and on any team, and even more important when you consider the importance of "team" to a squad of footballers. That is not to say that I don't think fans should not have an opinion about what goes on the pitch. That is half the fun of football.

 

But all we do see is what goes on the pitch. Add that to the facts - not "excuses" - about the build up to the season and I believe one can start to understand why we are where we are.

 

I'm guessing that we as "Ron Managers" are better at we do during the week than CK would be. And speaking for myself, that's why I'm not a football manager. I'm very comfortable with that. But it doesn't mean I don't see when things are not going well. But I believe it does mean that I am able to be less critical, and more trusting of those in the appropriate positions - CK, KR, KP etc. And they do see it as well as us.

 

CK does not want to be 18th in the league and did not expect to be in this position at the start of the season. I interviewed both him and Charlie, and they are on record as saying the plan is to get the club back to the Conference. Equally, CK has said that it will / is taking time - perhaps a little longer than he originally imagined.

 

From some posts - and people may not intend this - I get the feeling that some fans are of the opinion that "we''ll support you if you're doing OK". And I know not everyone thinks that, and I know a lot of people have followed the club home and away over the last 3 nomadic years. But the question in my kind is how would it be if the players said "We'll only try harder if you support us better"? Once one starts to "expect" a particular level of performance from a sports team and withdraws support when the "standards" are not met, then you lose the club / fan relationship and it starts to become a supplier of sports entertainment / customer relationship. And I don't believe that is what football should be about.

 

Cookie - I never said anyone was "ignorant". And as for your "please stop making excuses..." comment, be assured that I will continue to support the club by demonstrating trust in the people investing their time, effort and money in the club, and continuing to choose not to publicly criticise any individual player or member of staff. That is what I can do best to continue to support the club. I respect but cannot agree with some of the other views expressed here.

 

Still, cracking debate about the club we all love!

[Hempstead Gaz]

Yet more evidence for the wisdom of making these forums registered only.

[JeremyJacobs]

Interesting range of opinions above. I'm sure CK and the Board realise they have a crisis on their hands. We will win through. Keep the faith.

[Hornet]

Exactly JJ-keep the faith We would live to regret any knee jerk reaction imo.

[michael]

Where's the crisis?

 

Appalling recent results,but the talent is there.

Despite lossof revenue through cup exits, if a winning side can be cultivated, the crowds wil remain for the league games

 

The talent needs harnessing.

 

Just to see who is really up for it, can't training be temporarily stepped up to 3 nights a week, and the time spent on structuring and organisation-not fitness training

[Cookie]

I didnt mean to be rude Wellsie if thats how it sounded. You should know that I dont hold back with my words.You may withhold your thoughts but I dont. You have every right to disagree with some of my points and vice versa but my point is that you said CK cant be so naive as not to see whats going on..Are you therefore saying that what we see is wrong then. My point is that as some of us are not football managers it dosent mean we know any less than the manager does. I see and say what is in front of me and if CK cant see what we are seeing then I suggest he move away from where he stands and watch the game from the terraces just to see if he can see where its going wrong like a lot of us can.

We cant keep on giving reasons for failure on the pitch. At some point it has to stop & the players and manager have to accept the responsibility.

The players are getting paid for playing football. We pay to watch it.They may not be here next season but we will.Why shouldnt we have a say.I think we are entitled. It would be so easy to just say nothing but I for one want to see progress and this is my way of showing my feelings.You do it your way & I do it mine.

But at the end of the day the most important issue is that we all still support the club and want the best for it.

All forums talk like this on many occasions. Some say little, some say more. Some dont mention names when others do. Its shouldnt be harmful in the slightest to anyone to do so.

[Wellsie]

I didn't take it as rude Cookie. Agree different views are half the fun (see my concluding comments in my previous post). But I continue to disagree that we know better than CK and I stand by the fundemental point that if I did, I'd be in football management and not doing what I do for a living. And as fans, I firmly belive that what we see on the pitch from players represents about half of the overall package. As well as technical ability, there are physical attributes, the personal dymanics between players and management, relationships, personal values, personal motivation etc. It's this that we don't seem, but it is all part of the package that manifests itself on the pitch each week. I guess what I'm asking for in essence is a greater level of understanding of the situation, a little more patience with the current personnel and the same level and kind of support in mid-season that was clearly eveident just a few short months ago when we feared for the very existence of the club. I would like to suggest that we owe that to the players (for staying or joning us), Chris's team, Keith's team and all the people that put so much effort into making a return to Hartsdown possible. If we adopt this fully supportive approach for our club, I think that we would continue to make a difference on match days and it would be something that clearly differentiates Margate fans from from just about any others.

[Cookie]

Good post Steve.How can I argue with that! Seems you have all the answers in getting a team to play well.

Just shut up and say nothing,is that what you are implying? Lets see if that works then shall we? No patience? No understanding? Sorry but you know we have bent over backwards to be both.

[knighty101]

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cookie said: I will however give my views on the singing. Where has it gone?All credit to those doing their bit yesterday but its still not being voiced in the way that it used to be. I am a guilty one in that I dont sing but those that did on previous occasions are either not turning up for the games now for whatever reason or simply not bothering to sing anymore & that should be a cause for consern also. Do we actually have much to cheer about lately? Good point you make there BB.

i use to sing but tbh cant be bothered to cheer a team anymore that has no will to win. if they cant be bothered why should i.
last year i saw more passion and will to win despite being a small, injured and sick squad playing away from home in front of 150 people.... it makes me wonder why now were at home (with better players) the players dont seem to make an effort and are totally outclassed by lower division teams...