Chris Kinnear

[MIKE PERRY]

After the Chelmsford match I posted that I felt the next two home games, albeit cup matches were pivotal to the rest of our season and CK's future at the club. The performances have not improved that much imho and dare I say it but I wonder if it is time for a change of manager. CK just cannot seem to get the best out of the many players he has had at his disposal so far - maybe his powers of motivation are not what they were any more. The system we play is ineffective and we have had many players playing out of position (forced in some cases due to injuries/suspensions)Hilaire playing deep yesterday, Brayley before he jumped ship at wing back, etc. Certain players who to most of us appear to be struggling (Standen) get picked week in week out. CK has worked wonders for this club in the past and achieved great success and shown outstanding loyalty in extraordinary circumstances but it nevertheless begs the question how many clubs would stick by their manager after successive relegations, embarrassing exits from the major cup competitions by lower division sides last season and this and our current league position. The form on the pitch is now a serious problem and there are no longer any excuses for the manager to hide behind. At this stage I cannot see how he is going to turn things around and all that lies ahead is a relegation scrap.

[Chris1]

Disagree. If we stay up he will have done his job this season.

 

Next season will be the real test. With decent crowds and fewer off-field problems the target should be promotion.

[Cookie]

There will still be a lot of loyalty to him here on this topic & also some that will defend him no matter what.We cant get away from what he has done in the past and for his loyalty to this club.I am sure he is doing his best and the excuses are valid to a point but a question mark surely has to be put under his name as what you mention above is correct.At some stage the club,despite Kinnears experience has to look at things more deeply and decide if they want this to continue,or to give more time to a manager that has the club at heart.Something somewhere has to change soon,of that there is no doubt though as for the manager changing then thats very unlikely until we are certain to be doomed to a further relegation,& of course that may be too late then.I am positive that the club will continue with him hoping for a change but they do have to wonder at such results as to what the outcome COULD end up as.WE dare not get relegated again this year.We will have to wait and see what unfolds but surely a question mark has to be put there.Excuses cannot be continually given.Maybe someone with a different view on team selection,tactics,the way we play,formations etc etc will stop the rot but in truth I cant see this happening too quickly to be honest.This is nothing personal as I am sure its not intended by you either Mike but yes,something somewhere has to begin to alter,and quickly,whichever way you look at it,with whoever is in charge.Mistakes ARE being made and they need to be rectified.Lets just hope CK can see them and rethink on certain details about where his thoughts are taking us at the present.Be prepared for a backlash on this topic from certain individuals who just want to be seen as "being nice".Sometimes hard decisions have to be made for the good of the club.Would this move be a good one or not? Would it help our club and at this stage in the season.I have mixed feelings about this one.

[Porka]

Can't see him being sacked anytime soon as surely it woulde cost several thousands. Also, I think many at the club feel that they owe HIM for sticking around last season so would feel awful for being responsible for sacking a man that took us to the Conference. However, this is really crap at the moment and his excuses are really annoying too.

[michael]

I agree that next season is the real test.

 

However, there is the small issue of ensuring that we remain in this division for next season.

 

I remain convinced that the players this season are better than last, but it is a results business ,and we need some successes very soon

[Wellsie]

There is a vast difference between the manager not seeing & doing anything about what may or may not be going wrong, and criticising everything - including the players - that is going wrong around him. Chris very rightly does not publicly criticise his players - and perhaps some of them do deserve some criticism from time to time. You can bet they get it behind closed doors. But to suggest that the players or Chris don't see what's going on is a little naive. Yes we might do things a different way if we were in charge - but we're not. (And probably for good reason!)

 

I know that people at the club are working very hard to bring in new and better players to improve the squad - and balance the books. The delay during the summer in the club being able to sign new players and also keep hold of the ones we had was critical and a feature of the circumstances we found ourselves in - not any one individual. The transfer window that impacts Conference clubs has had a knock on down the pyramid structure and has made it more difficult for clubs below Conference National to sign "better" players outside the window. That in itself makes CK's job even harder.

 

The loyalty and "spirit of the team" issues - are crucial to a team's success. And everyone at the club needs and appreciates all the support we can give.

 

Does this make me one of those that are "being nice"? Well, perhaps I am. But in my view, it's taking a more balanced, realistic and supportive stance. Sometimes we forget; 6 months ago, we were ready to re-start in the Kent League. Perspective guys!

[michael]

Have to agree.

 

And for goodness sake lets get off DS's back.

 

He may not be as good as Cole, but he is doing an ok job.

 

There is no one else.

I think our expectations from DS are too high.

Frankly he does better than most but no he is not perfect.

Every error is beng highlighted -and whilst not there yesterday, he has played better than 'favourites' such as JK in the few games they have played together.

It was unforgiveable to get sent off yesterday, but that is a differnet issue to the footballing issue

[Cookie]

Im sorry MM but Standen is his own worst enemy.

And he IS sub-standard without a doubt. As for Wellsies post I also have to disagree that just because we arent managers it dosent mean that we are ignorant. Maybe the manager should see it from our side of the fence and maybe he would have a change of opinion. No-one has the divine right to be correct ALL the time even our very own CK. Please Steve give up on the excuses.They are beginning not to wash now.However I do deep down believe that before we get too much into the dog battle of relegation CK will bring us round. But I just get angry that players we DO have are not being used to their full potential.Thats my own opinion of course and I wont be swayed from it. But we all have our sway on things so your views are just as important in a debate of this nature as anyone elses.

[michael]

I agree Cookie that we are for some reason not getting the best out of the players ,and i do think it is the system .

I am very supportive of CK excepting his stubborn insistence of playing attackers at full back when there are alternatives.

 

We probably ruined Benevides and Charamb confidence forever last season by playing them at fullback where they were absolutely hopeless-there were alternatives in likes of Clarke.

 

Whatever you do, you do not weaken defence.

 

This season we are going down the same route with Sesay-playing him out of position.

 

(is it just coincidence that we have lost 5 games since this experiment and JK's return to midfield).

[Cookie]

What we have been through the last 3 years we all are perfectly aware of.We are all thankful we came out of the other end in one piece still.We are all happy that the new stadium is going to be built.We all appreciate the work gone in by everyone to keep this club alive. We are all grateful for the managers loyalty to us.We are all happy that those things have allowed us to play football again back home where we belong.BUT BUT how long is it going to be before we move on. Now would be a good time dont you think.Surely it has to happen sometime so why not now.We have given plenty of air between the good news of coming back home and the present day & its now time I feel to move on and talk about getting a team of players to do justice to all the good work that has gone before to get us where we are today.We now need to step up a gear,go onto the next phase of the re-building and ressurrection of the club.Now its only a matter of getting a side out there playing well & getting results,that will enable us to prosper & grow even further and to get us back to higher status that all this hard work has been achieved for.We have the crowds back and without them we probably wouldnt yet be out of administration.Lets not lose them now they're back as they are our future.

[Hempstead Gaz]

We are in a different situation here, Tony. We let Andy Ford go after 7 or 8 successful years, and half a poor season. Questions are now being asked in some quarters whether Liam Daish has the tactical acumen to cut it at this level (there is no denying he does appear to have a good eye for spotting talent).

Too often recently we have let games slip through our grasp through a lack of professionalism (for want a better word).

The analogy with yourselves is a clear comparison between Any Ford before he went and CK.

Do you sack him or let him resign, or do you keep him?

If asked the question at Fleet, 8/10 would have favoured keeping Andy Ford, in spite of the results.

His was a shock departure, from which we have never truly recovered.

If Liam Daish were to be sacked, I for one would welcome Andy back.

The moral of my missive : think long and hard before you want CK out, you may in the long run regret it.

[michael]

I don't think anyone wants to see a change of manager at MFC ,but we do want a modicum of on pitch progress given that we now have fairly good players via CK, and that the tactics/formation are reviewed to get the best out of those players

[Cookie]

Hi Gary,I personnally am not wanting him to leave but to just do the very best with what he has on offer. He clearly isnt doing that in my personnal opinion.I am sure the players we have DO have some talent but its time they showed their true worth.This maybe down to them or down to the manager but it needs to come out and that is more important in getting right than to dispense with a manager that has been successful in the past. People say be patient but thats just what we have been..patient, in everyway including debating the personel of this club.Just because some of us choose to debate the subject dosent mean we are gunning for a new manager.What we say dosent count half the time anyway, but its something interesting to debate nevertheless.

[Cookie]

You beat me to it Michael.

[blueblood]

I cannot believe what i am reading on this thread.I can understand the frustrations of standing on the terraces, watching the performances on the field.I stand there as well.If i think someone does'nt deserve to be on the pitch or as had a dismal game then i will say so.If i believe the manager,any manager,at any level,is not upto his job,i will say so.This vilification of our manager,CK i cannot support.I as a supporter do not support or fully understand some of his decisions on team selection,then i am standing on the terraces and not priviledged to the information he as. The time and effort being put in by CK,KR,KP( i sometimes wonder if Mrs KP remembers what he looks like) and the rest of the board is phenomenal.I believe from my small insight as to what is going on behind the scenes,we are in good hands.It is time we went back to supporting and understanding instead of critisising and YES, undermining the moral of those working dammed hard for us as a new club.

[michael]

Thats the trouble with cyber posts-people read things differntly.

 

My interpretation of this thread is that excepting the first post where in a democracy someone has a right to express their views, the remainder of the thread supports and defends MFC through and through.

We are no differnet to the Board of MFC and manager in wanting an improvement with current resources,and simply believe it can be achieved.

 

Yes we are all 'Ron Manager's' who know best,but equally not totally stupid and blind.

The same people who voice opinions are also those who go to the games, and as in any footbal club forum, people will express their views ,keep the interet going and turn up week after week.

 

The danger really comes when people stop expressing views and caring.

Thats when they stop to turn up to games

[Cookie]

Well said Michael. We have all supported the board and the manager in every way. Just because we think differently on things dosent make us any less of a supporter. In fact I would say it makes us a stronger supporter as you said well MM above.If this was happening at some other clubs I think the manager WOULD have been replaced by now but we are not after his head despite everything so that shows how tolerant we are and how believing in him we are.But things do have to change on the field.Only that will it keep us from talking about such things that have been mentioned.We are merely talking it over and that shouldnt be allowed to end.

Of course we are all behind the club in everything that happens but we dont have to agree with every detail.

[Hempstead Gaz]

My point exactly, Tony.

For all those wanting the head of CK, think very long and hard. Replacing (in your eyes) a legend in CK, as was Andy Ford (in our eyes), has proved almost impossible.

Better to leave status quo.

[MargateFan]

I cannot think of anything to add to Wellsie's, Chatham Gary's and Blueblood's posts. With them 100%.

We do seem to have lost the art of getting behind the team and club lately. Understandable for sure, but sad. We have had to contend with much more than this in recent past and it has turned around. Sometimes it turned around because of a huge amount of support from the fans.

I think it would be a big test of our character as fans if we could hold on to our support now - but do we have enough in the tank?

[blueblood]

Point taken on board. My use of the word thread was wrong ,when i was actualy commenting on the origional posting. If my comments offend all but the origional post then i apologise.