Guest Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 Read this morning in a daily newspaper that the FA will take action against any supporters seen singing 'No Surrender to the IRA'. Article went on to say that the singing of the 'infamous' song has been less evident at matches lately, however it could be heard during England's recent 2-1 over Slovakia. I was quite confused by this, as I can’t really understand why anybody would be upset by the singing of ‘No Surrender’, a song which lets people know that British people refuse to give in to a group murderers, who whilst masquerading as freedom fighters, are actually cowards who have wrecked the lives of thousands of British citizens in the past. Can you imagine the reaction of an American if you told them that they cannot sing songs or make anti-Al’Quida statements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 Americans can't sing songs or make anti-Al'Quida statements.....they are too stupid. It's all they can do to chant U.S.A. at sporting events anything more than that is beyond them. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/director.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleet_Fella Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 To be perfectly honest with you CS, I have two points about that 1) There should be no place in Football, or any sport for that matter, for exercising political beliefs to others be it through fans singing or players displaying messages. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case. 2) Do you honestly believe that the majority of people at England games who sing 'No Surrender' (About from the sheep who will sing along with whatever everyone else is singing) are really just showing their disgust at IRA bombings and murder? The England team has a fanatical loyalist following, even extending to Glasgow Rangers fans supporting England rather than Scotland. These are just my views, I sit on neither side of the political fence on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 So do you think anyone who belives that Ulster should stay British, should be banned from attending England matches? - That is basically what the FA is trying to impose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleet_Fella Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 No, I believe that Football shouldn't have to put up with people using it as a vehicle for promoting their political beliefs. As I said before, I am not of either persuasion and won't be drawn on the pros and cons of either side of the argument. I just believe that if people want to vent their opinions, football is not the place to do it - nor for that matter is a message board intended for the discussion of Fleet matters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHA EFM Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 <blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr> murderers, who whilst masquerading as freedom fighters, are actually cowards who have wrecked the lives of thousands of British citizens in the past. <hr></blockquote> Are you sure you know the full side of the story, from both angles? Those comments are a bit mis-informed if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 So would you take objection if you were to see a hand of Ulster flag at Stonebridge Road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleet_Fella Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 I wouldn't have a great problem with a Northern Irish Fleet fan having a Northern Ireland flag at Stonebridge Road, but I wouldn't be too chuffed if someone had one and started singing No Surrender and spouting off about their political beliefs just for the sake of attempting to make everyone listen. I guess this goes back to the more light-hearted and jovial post regarding terrace fashions. These are not issues that have been encountered much before at the Fleet, and to be honest I'd prefer it stayed that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 Are you sure you know the full side of the story, from both angles? Those comments are a bit mis-informed if not. <hr></blockquote> No don't think I'm mis-informed at all, know more about it than you think. What part do you disagree with then? Are you seriously trying to tell me that the IRA bombing in say, Warrington, where a two-year old child died is justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon BTFC Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 My feeling on this is that by singing "no surrender" you are pandering to (whether you agree with them or not) those who would rather see a return to the dark days of the 70s and 80s with terrorists from both sides killing and maiming, than make the concessions which are going to be required from both sides if there is to be a peaceful future for N.Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Simon BTFC:</font><hr /> My feeling on this is that by singing "no surrender" you are pandering to (whether you agree with them or not) those who would rather see a return to the dark days of the 70s and 80s with terrorists from both sides killing and maiming, than make the concessions which are going to be required from both sides if there is to be a peaceful future for N.Ireland. <hr></blockquote> That's your feeling. I havn't mentioned the UDA or UVF have I? The reason I and many others accross the country sing 'no surrender' is because we hate the cowardly IRA with a passion and hate the government for they are the one's who are pandering to murderers like Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holden Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 <blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr> GHA Are you sure you know the full side of the story, from both angles? Those comments are a bit mis-informed if not. <hr></blockquote> I don't think you have to be particularly well informed to realise that any organisation who plant bombs in city centres are terrorists pure and simple and as such are completely beyond the pale. Having said that, this thread is becoming a political arguement rather than a football one and ends here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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