Disappointed

[Gazza]

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....My eye was first caught by a posting from Gazza on the page above [which, if I look at now, I will lose what I have just typed, so I wont] when he said words to the effect 'Yes. I applauded the police action at the time of the shooting and, notwithstanding that an innocenty man was killed, I wont take that back'.

......Then. gazza suggested that the guy was running away from the police because he is/might be an illegal immigrant and I read into that statement that, in those circumstances, there is even less reason to feel remorse.

.....For now, I have beeen contributing to a thread concerning the death of an innocent man.

Firstly AFF let me say I take all your points on board & appreciate the fact that although we may not agree our exchanges of views have been cival, much appreciated.

Now then the first paragraph I have highlighted you are spot on with what you read into it.

As for the second paragraph I can only pick you up on the fact you say I feel even less remorse as he maybe an illeagal immagrant, that cant be further from the truth.

The third is my whole point, you keep refering to him as an innocent man, as far as im aware & I will stand corrected if im wrong, it has not been denied he was an illegal immagrant, so there for he is not an innocent man, he was committing a crime, breaking the law, however you want to look at it he was NOT an innocent man.
Yes he was innocent of what he was shot for, but my whole point is, if he was a totally innocent man he would no doubt still be alive today.
Yes I may see things in black & white, but as far as im concerned, you break the law you pay the consequencies, whatever they maybe.

[Fruitbat]

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No. It's because certain people think they know who i am.Recently i have had at least 4 people claiming they know who i am.They have ALL been wrong.
Only two fellow ETFC supporters know my true identity. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/whistling.gif" alt="" />

Y I Laddy/Lassy u tell em

[lovely stuff]

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[AFF]

Hi Gazza.

 

Hmmmnn.

 

I'll be back on here when the Report of the Inquiry is published. For now, points required tomorrow!

 

Good luck to you lot for the rest of the season from me.

[Bad_Egg]

[quote} Man from mars said - Is he a raving Iron? [/quote}

 

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MKJames said:

Is that a secret ?

 

thats a bit rich coming from someone who looks like jimmy summerville baldie

[Tom S]

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lovely stuff said:
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Anyway,lets cut the crap.We all know how the two sides differ on this issue.Its all down to politcal and social ideology.

Those that instictively want to side with the police over an illegal immigrant , on one side of the fence.

Those that instictively want to side with an illegal immigrant over the police, on the other side of the fence.

As far as I'm concerned instinct doesn't come into it. My first thought when I heard about the shooting was 'If they've got the right man, then good.'

The victim's immigration status is immaterial in this case. Given the circumstances my views would be exactly the same whatever Mr de Menezes's status. How about yours? You seem to be saying that illegal immigrants deserve to be shot by the police. A point of view I cannot support at all.

I only buy the Guardian these days when I can't get the Independent or if I'm buying more than one paper for a long journey so I've only looked at the new format a couple of times and it still feels odd.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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Gazza said:
The third is my whole point, you keep refering to him as an innocent man, as far as im aware & I will stand corrected if im wrong, it has not been denied he was an illegal immagrant, so there for he is not an innocent man, he was committing a crime, breaking the law, however you want to look at it he was NOT an innocent man.
Yes he was innocent of what he was shot for, but my whole point is, if he was a totally innocent man he would no doubt still be alive today.
Yes I may see things in black & white, but as far as im concerned, you break the law you pay the consequencies, whatever they maybe.

So by your reckoning, if you break the law then any punishment that comes is justified.
I look forward to shooting you next time you do 40mph in a 30mph zone, we could deport all TV licence dodgers, rapists could find themsleves doing 24 hours community service and your petty vandal is inside for life stretch.

[Electric ~soul~]

Hippy.

[Tom S]

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EFM The Firm, The Voice said:
I look forward to shooting you next time you do 40mph in a 30mph zone,

Bad example. I believe Gazza is still a bit touchy about the time he fell foul of the speeding laws. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Electric ~soul~]

There's nothing 'petty' about vandalism, either.

[Football Man]

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EFM The Firm, The Voice said:

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Gazza said:
The third is my whole point, you keep refering to him as an innocent man, as far as im aware & I will stand corrected if im wrong, it has not been denied he was an illegal immagrant, so there for he is not an innocent man, he was committing a crime, breaking the law, however you want to look at it he was NOT an innocent man.
Yes he was innocent of what he was shot for, but my whole point is, if he was a totally innocent man he would no doubt still be alive today.
Yes I may see things in black & white, but as far as im concerned, you break the law you pay the consequencies, whatever they maybe.

So by your reckoning, if you break the law then any punishment that comes is justified.
I look forward to shooting you next time you do 40mph in a 30mph zone, we could deport all TV licence dodgers, rapists could find themsleves doing 24 hours community service and your petty vandal is inside for life stretch.

And lets not forget that shouting abuse from the terraces of a football ground is a public order offence and, therefore, against the law.

Oops, I seem to have brought this thread around full circle!

[Gazza]

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....So by your reckoning, if you break the law then any punishment that comes is justified.
I look forward to shooting you next time you do 40mph in a 30mph zone, we could deport all TV licence dodgers, rapists could find themsleves doing 24 hours community service and your petty vandal is inside for life stretch.

Petty vandals should be locked up your right there.

As for the rest well there is always one twat!

[Gazza]

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Tom S said:

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EFM The Firm, The Voice said:
I look forward to shooting you next time you do 40mph in a 30mph zone,

Bad example. I believe Gazza is still a bit touchy about the time he fell foul of the speeding laws. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Pleaded guilty & took my punishment....even though it was excessive &.....Grrrrrrrr

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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Electric ~soul~ said:
There's nothing 'petty' about vandalism, either.

Very true mate, wing mirrors can cost a fortune <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[Keep the £]

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Tom S said:
I only buy the Guardian these days when I can't get the Independent

What's the difference? They both sing from the same hymn sheet. Left-wing drivel if you ask me.

[Keep the £]

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MKJames said:
If anything the news channels have a duty to be impartial and to refrain from any left or right wing bias.

Absolutely. Shame the BBC doesn't respect this duty.

[lovely stuff]

BBC news/ITN news and especially CH4 news, are all institutionally left-wing.

 

The BBC exclusively use the GUARDIAN's wednesday job-section to advertise all their vacancies.So its not exactally a suprise to find out that the BBC has a strong left wing bias.That just how they want to keep it.Hence the selective recruiting policy.

[Tom S]

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Keep the £ said:

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Tom S said:
I only buy the Guardian these days when I can't get the Independent

What's the difference? They both sing from the same hymn sheet. Left-wing drivel if you ask me.

Fewer misprints <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Obviously to someone of your leanings even the Daily Mail would seem left-wing.

In the Indy's case I'd say the general position is slightly left of centre but they also give room to Bruce Anderson (for one) who makes you sound like Neil Kinnock. Yes the Guardian is further to the left but in both cases they keep to the facts on the news pages.

[Tom S]

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lovely stuff said:
BBC news/ITN news and especially CH4 news, are all institutionally left-wing.

Ah yes, the old "institutional bias" card. What you mean is they don't fit in with your view of the world. There's a difference.

I suppose you think the Sun and the Mail are totally impartial?

[Keep the £]

As was stated earlier, news channels have a duty to remain impartial - especially the BBC as it is an obligation to purchase a TV licence. It's not like newspapers where if you don't like their political position you stop buying that particular newspaper. The BBC is forced upon us.

 

As LS said the BBC leans to the left and that is wrong. Just like it would be wrong if it leaned to the right (the day hell freezes over). The BBC should be completely impartial.