The Town Crier Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Quote: GazzaBTFC said: Quote: Ryan.c said: I would have thought Neil, that is it not the supporters credentials that are in question here, but more namely the players we follow week-in-week-out? Hmmmmmmm...Oh, I dunno. Some would argue that both the players and (some) supporters credentials are in question here. I think our win against Chelmsford was a joint effort. 2-0 down and I hear chanting, “we’re gona win 3 -2”...great stuff But then again, 2-0 down, and the players looked like they would win 3-2. When the team is low they need lifting... ...but when the terraces are quiet, they need a spark in the game in order to raise the volume. I guess both could/should do better. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/jump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/jump.gif" alt="" /> : <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/jump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/jump.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulc27 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Why do we keep using the Chelmsford game to set an exmaple to ourselves? Credit to lads, they didnt give in, but ultimately it was the team that made two bad mistakes that put us two goals down in the first place against (and no disrespect here) a very very average city team who have since let some of those players go. Since then City have looked even worse in the league ending up on the back of a 5-1 drubbing at the weekend. Would the crowd have been as vocal against a team that wasnt a local rival at 2-0 down? who knows. Im not trying to take anything away from the result as it was a great to see us win from 2 down but for me the crowd that day raised the volume because of who were were playing against as much as for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Town Crier Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 To be fair Paul, I was commenting on the possible connection of vocal support and team performance, and I do think the Chelmsford game is a good example. You seem to reinforce my point by saying, "the crowd raised the volume because of who we were playing as much as for the team". If I was giving an example of how well the team CAN play, then I would use Stains away. But back to my point, sometimes the fans need a few sparks on the pitch to get them going, and sometimes the team need a vocal atmosphere in order that they up their performance. I offered no answer or criticism, it was just an observation. In an ideal world, the crowd sing and chant for 90 mins and the team wins 6-0… but this is football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulc27 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Im sure the Yeadng team of last season were so gratefull for their supporters last season, they must have given them a lift when they needed it! TC, I am not saying you are wrong or right but for me I cant think of team at any level of the game that doenst have its supporters on its back when playing bad and has them singing when they are playing well. Like you say, its football and why we all love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfcsteve Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Yeah thats why some of us get married as well, to make sure we all have good and bad times and lots of moaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Town Crier Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Slough...Kingstonian ? Paul you agree with me, it helps one group to perform better, if the other is performing well. Or...if one group is poor, it affects the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lufbra_Paul Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 If the team continues in a similar vein for much longer there might not be many supporters left to raise the atmosphere at home and away games! it is little coincidence that saturday was our lowest home league attendance of the season (coming straight off the back of our now infamous fa cup exit) and is unlikely to be improved upon in the near future after saturdays display. the situation is made worse still by the fact we are out of the fa cup and all the publicity and prestige doing well in that competition provides. 'Floating' supporters dont have to travel very far to find another team to follow i.e. any of the london clubs, southend etc, etc. Heres for a good trophy run and some improved form soon - oh and yes i will be at east thurrock saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 Another issue here is that if the supporters are being partically blamed for not making enough noise and "supporting" enough, well it tends to be in my experience behind the goal where most (not all but most) noise is usually made, surely if you aren't hearing enough of this for your liking by the logic displayed on here the best thing to do would be... to make some more noise yourselves? I'm not saying that us behind the goal shouldn't be making noise just because we are not playing well at the moment. In fact I am very disappointed that on Saturday there wasn't some early support at least to try and get the side going (which I believe was Nightime Neils point). However in the logic criticising the supporters lack of vocaL support, more noisy "support" from other areas of the ground should perhaps be given at the moment. I am not questioning the support of people in the Cowshed or other areas of the ground for a minute, I understand that some people don't usually feel the need or don't want to sing, especially some of the ruder/nastier chants that come from behind the goal, but are still giving great support and encouragement in a more "civilised" way. However if the logic is more vocal support is needed then surely EVERYONE needs to be joining in at the moment. Safer chants like "Come on Ricay", "We love you Ricay we do", and "Come on you Blues" could be started to be sung from different points of the ground when it is too quiet for people. I'm as guilty as many, (and probably more guilty than many!) in not being positive at the moment and this is not having a go at any section of the support at all, just following the logic of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman Fan. Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 FOTB your post makes a lot of sense. Why should it always be the boys who stand behind the goal who get blamed when there is no noise. Surely this is the responsibility of all Billericay fans and not just the goal support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 Quote: Ryan.c said: Having spent most of the second half in the bar I was not privy to the 'incident', but I am reliably informed that Mr J. Dormer WAS NOT the offending player, but A.N. OTHER was. Unless of course, it was a double whammy! Sorry, I think I missed this post when coming back on here before! Apologies to Dormer if this is the case (although I did semi-qualify my post with an apparently) have looked up A.N OTHER in the programme but can't find him. I understand the thought in not revealing names as I think everyone has a little bit caught up in the game and my problem with it was that I thought it was the "Captain". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Town Crier Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 I'm not sure anyone is blaming or criticising all of or any particular section of supporters, are they?, I'm certainly not. I just made a point that the a team needs to perform well for them to get the support they deserve... ...and the supporters need to be vocal which will help the team rise to, and/or maintain an acceptable level. None of us, players and supporters alike, want a poor performance or a flat atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith.P Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Interesting reading chaps! - Right, now here is the plan. Next time anyone is in Turkey - go to the local footie ground and nick one of those blokes who stand there with that megaphone having a corinary whilst pounding out the songs/chants. Bit like the cannon idea, one in each corner of the ground. Feck me I am still on a high from selling 6 scratch card tickets!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/drivin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill of Shenfield Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 FOTB the fans in the cowshed do make a contribution by congratulating the players and encouraging them, they do not sing cos at our age we don't bring the oxygen with us to allow that amount air loss. I hope this clears this point up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 Quote: Bill of Shenfield said: FOTB the fans in the cowshed do make a contribution by congratulating the players and encouraging them, they do not sing cos at our age we don't bring the oxygen with us to allow that amount air loss. I hope this clears this point up. Bill I understand your point, but was responding to a comment about lack of noise which is normally a reference to behind the goal, my point was that there wasn't as much noise as normal from anywhere in the ground on Saturday. Just as there was little noise behind the goal so there were less shouts of encouragement and applause from other areas of the ground. Next few games home and away I am just suggesting perhaps we could all just make a bit more of an effort than Saturday, myself included definately (although I did try for a bit on Saturday and found myself quite a lonely figure in doing so!), at least to start with, to do whatever we normally do to support them and maybe more? Not sure if that made sense. Over the last few days have done a bit of a turnaround as the emotion of Saturday wears off a bit. I am still not convinced by the chicken and the egg team and supporters argument as most of the supporters outstay most of the players at BTFC, but agree we are there to encourage where we can, even and perhaps especially in the bad times. It is then up to the players to respond though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaBTFC Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I think Bill was being humourous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 Quote: GazzaBTFC said: I think Bill was being humourous Good for you, was it the "oxygen" reference that led you to that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaBTFC Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Quote: fanoftheblues said: Quote: GazzaBTFC said: I think Bill was being humourous Good for you, was it the "oxygen" reference that led you to that conclusion? Judging from your reply, it fooled you... By the way, nice hidden apology...Bet if Dorm's read that he'll feel a lot better. Got anymore "gems" that you "apparently" heard or got told? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 Could you tell be what was "hidden" about it exactly? I qualified the initial post with an "apparently" (I was only told he said that, didn't hear it myself) and when I read through the posts and found Ryans information (which again is hearsay and still attributed to a player) then I highlighted it! Mentioning things you aren't an eyewitness to is obviously a dangerous thing but should that mean if you hear something interesting it shouldn't be put on here for people to respond to, be it to confirm, deny, or add there opinion to? Obviously you think not and only proven facts should be discussed? Thought it was a forum to discuss issues? You are a moderator if you didn't like it you could play the censor, but I take it no-one complained? Out of that initial post came interesting replies, and a discussion over the supporters and the team. I'm sure Dormer didn't cry himself to sleep over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaBTFC Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Right, lets lay this one to rest... My opinion...thought I'll start that one off first... To justify a debate with an apparent accusation (and one that you couldn't justify yoursef as you didn't hear it) is a poor excuse for any debate. On another post you actually blame the Blue Army grapevine for getting the facts wrong. As for being a moderator, I could've got rid of this but as I justified your original post with a response, it would be churlish for me to then moderate it with either "graveyarding" the whole subject or locking it. I believe in the right to answer and also a debate and you have certainly had your chance FOTB considering the amount of posts which carry my name in them. Some, I could take quite personally but as you're on a roll, continue please. Have your say, give it your best shot. Under the assumed name of FOTB you can say whatever you like about me. As you have apologised, I will close this link. Condidering the original post was based on an incorrect statement and directed at one particular person, I expected more from you, which is the reason I PM'd you. I thought I had the measure of the man but how incorrect can I be? Very it appears. So...without further ado, this subject is closed. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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