fanoftheblues Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Told the crowd behind the goal to F*** off at one point today apparently. Well thanks to his inspiring leadership - leading by example and getting stuck in, and rowsing the players especially when there was a stoppage for an injury and he went to each of the players and encouraged them and gave good tactiacal advice from his 100 games of experience with us - we can all have a laugh about it now. No hold on that didn't happen, he had his head down and said nothing. What a great captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Walsh Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 A bit harsh I think, but we do need a more vocal captain to motivate the team. -------------------------------------------------- www.billericaytownfc.20m.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 A captain is there to lead a team on the pitch, he isn't doing that. From what I see you get two sorts of captains, one that lead by example and another that know how to motivate each of the players and do that, does Dormer do either of those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Walsh Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Fair enough he doesn't really do either. Who should be captain then? From looking at the players we've got Sappleton and Hunter seem better options as a captain as they lead by example. Although the captain is Justin's choice and we have done well with Dormer as captain albeit with a few blips. It's only during poor performances like at the moment that Dormer's flaws as a captain are shown. -------------------------------------------------- www.billericaytownfc.20m.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Proudfoot Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Thats very harsh on dorms fella, thought he did ok. Cant really blame individual players, im sure they all want to succeed as much as us fans want them to too. The only problem at the moment is theres probably a few who arent playing to their potential or simply arent good enough, and its up to the management to sort it out and make it better. I do think we are lacking a couple of experienced players. An experienced defender and midfielder should do the trick. It would seem there are a few fans who are already getting on the players backs. Maybe we all have to take a look at ourselves and realise they need our help and encouragement and not abuse. Todays performance and that in the FA Cup wasnt good enough, and something needs to be done, and im sure the management realise that too. Lets have a little patience here, im sure things will get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 Quote: Barry Proudfoot said: It would seem there are a few fans who are already getting on the players backs. Maybe we all have to take a look at ourselves and realise they need our help and encouragement and not abuse. Todays performance and that in the FA Cup wasnt good enough, and something needs to be done, and im sure the management realise that too. Lets have a little patience here, im sure things will get better Already getting on the players back? Maybe, but we all pay our money to come in and these guys are paid to play. No one would be upset if the players were giving it their all for 90 minutes, but does anyone here think anybody out there looked detirmined and competative (except maybe Danny Kerrigan) - even Leon wasn't going in for that much. The fans have been giving encouragement but the players need to give us something back. Patience is all well and good but I would like to see a bit of character from the team and especially from the captain, I thought the correct response to a bit of stick from supporters who pay money and give up their time to watch you play is not to swear at them but to prove them wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaBTFC Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 See you have your usual downer on the players and the team. What a supporter you are. Tell you what, I thought supporters are supposed to motivate the team and players. From reading what you're posted, you are severely lacking. Perhaps you could learn from Barry, reasoned criticism with his opinioned solution to the problem and not just rant off as you usually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 What solution was given exactly? Barry said the players aren't good enough, I believe they are and that is what annoys me! I think you are right, supporters are supposed to motivate the team and players and at the matches that is what I have been doing, I felt a bit stupid there today encouraging them and clapping them on not many other people were, I didn't hear anyone much there today! Admittedly by the end I was shouting much as I was so frustrated at the lack of response of the players. It's all very well you all coming on here and saying we should support them and cheer them on but who's doing that at the games? I didn't hear anything from the Cowshed at all today. I have every right to come on here and give my opinion, I'm sorry if in your opinion I'm "lacking" Gazza, from where I see it a lot of people on here talk the talk etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Urchin Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 ain't my business I suppose but being a footie fan and also having been out in the middle and having been on the receiving end of some serious stick..I can tell you that it doesn't help the player/s and doesn't help the cause... just because a fan pays a tenner to watch a game doesn't mean they are entitled to hurl abuse at players...these guys are human beings and are mostly trying their best to win a game of football...can you imagine going to the cinemea nad standing up and swearing at everyone just because you don't like the film...its the same principal... I think you lot wanna calm down a bit and think about how lucky you are...no debt...nice ground getting better by the day and good... decent ...honest management and staff... what would you have steve do....put you in debt by buying players you can't afford to keep you happy... keep the faith... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanoftheblues Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 As I have said, I think we have the players, when they are playing well. As for hurling abuse at the players, whilst I disagree that it is the same as going to the cinema, I try not to give abuse at the game to any player on our side or the other (unless a bad challenge or cheating is occuring and then it is for the one incident), instead I try (and admit sometimes I fail in frustration although it is rare) to keep it positive. I might get annoyed with the team as a whole but agree it is not in anyones interest to put players down whilst they are on the pitch. Shouts like "Come on boys raise it" and "get stuck in" are not insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbrella Man Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Well said FOTB i'm with you too mashed to type out what you said but i think most are with you today's effort is just not good enough. Here's to 3 points on Saturday <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitetime Neil Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 A very puzzling performance today - I think most of us expected a "response" today, but one along the lines of "let's show what we're really made of and come out all guns blazing" not the "we've lost all our confidence after a couple of poor results and are too scared to make a mistake" one we saw today. Perhaps Jamie DID lead by example and most of the others followed by putting in a similar so-so performance! I would agree that Danny K was the one exception and for me has been our best player this season in terms of consistency and improvement on last year. It's hard to explain what went wrong today - on the whole we have a bunch of good players who can def perform so much better and a team with good spirit and attitude if you believe what you hear from those at the club closer than most of us fans, and what you read in Gazza's interviews too. The crowd never got going today and neither did the team, maybe a bit of rousing support from behind the goal early on might have led to that little extra something, that little break to give us a good start and bingo! Confidence returns ! But support or no support the team were strangely out of sorts and anyone who like me was stood close to Matt & Justin would have heard just how off their game the team were by the almost constant complaints from the management about players doing the wrong things in the wrong place at the wrong time. But a quick word of praise to our visitors - two excellent strikes for their goals (though obviously the first should have been saved!) and despite not enjoying the highest home attendances in the League, a decent away turnout who looked the part and at times sounded the part (mainly after they scored!) by segregating themselves into one united group and enjoyed their day. Let's hope the same can be said about us next week at Rookery Hill... (PS: Just noticed the time - for "today" read "yesterday", I don't call myself Nitetime Neil for nothing !!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Nitetime Neil said: .... by the almost constant complaints from the management about players doing the wrong things in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yes, in every game. To use Gazza's analogy how happy would you be if your boss was always on your back, jumped on every perceived error that you made and hardly ever gives you any praise when you do something correctly or well. I would feel rather unloved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman Fan. Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Quote: Nitetime Neil said: The crowd never got going today and neither did the team, maybe a bit of rousing support from behind the goal early on might have led to that little extra something The point that the Supporters should make an atmosphere I find funny. It should be the players perform, then we as supporters make more noise. Dormer - I don't think we should be washing our laundry in public guys. We are the laughing stock of the Ryman forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Urchin Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 don't be too harsh on yourselves...you aint the laughing stock of the league but ARE a target for others to wind up because you are a big NL club...have a high profile manager and have recently spent a lot of money on revamping the old ground....it gets all the others wound up you see....add gazza to that permutation with his nightime danny fuelled forum forages and.... well you know... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> normal NL rules apply I'm afraid...when things get tough everyone piles in and when things go well you lot do... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> its the NL law of the jungle and the only way to deal with it is to lie low until the next win or braintree/9 til 5'ers loss and then attack... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I still think that you will win this tin pot league that you are in...apparently they want us to move up there next year but in all honesty it all looks a bit too easy for my liking.... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> conference I think will suit us better.... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaBTFC Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Quote: champions elect said: Quote: Nitetime Neil said: The crowd never got going today and neither did the team, maybe a bit of rousing support from behind the goal early on might have led to that little extra something The point that the Supporters should make an atmosphere I find funny. It should be the players perform, then we as supporters make more noise. Dormer - I don't think we should be washing our laundry in public guys. We are the laughing stock of the Ryman forum. So what comes first...the club or the support?..a bit like the chicken and the egg really. I thought support was about help and encouragement, something that, maybe people find difficult to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.c Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Having spent most of the second half in the bar I was not privy to the 'incident', but I am reliably informed that Mr J. Dormer WAS NOT the offending player, but A.N. OTHER was. Unless of course, it was a double whammy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitetime Neil Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Quote: champions elect said: The point that the Supporters should make an atmosphere I find funny. It should be the players perform, then we as supporters make more noise. As Gazza says it's a bit chicken & egg, but surely it's easier for the crowd to pitch up at 3pm behind the goal and launch into a rousing chant of "Blue Army" than expect the players to provide a stunning goal inside the first five minutes to get the fans singing ? I'm not a singer myself at games and don't expect to hear us singing non-stop for 90 mins (though there are a few teams whose bonkers fans do - nutters!!!) but I wouldn't thave thought any of us felt so downhearted at just gone kick off not to create a simple bit of home atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.c Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I would have thought Neil, that is it not the supporters credentials that are in question here, but more namely the players we follow week-in-week-out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaBTFC Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Quote: Ryan.c said: I would have thought Neil, that is it not the supporters credentials that are in question here, but more namely the players we follow week-in-week-out? Hmmmmmmm...Oh, I dunno. Some would argue that both the players and (some) supporters credentials are in question here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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