Clarkey 2 Weymouth?

[Webbo MFI]

is 35 "past it"??

[Nos]

AFF said

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I'm always intrigued when a first-time poster comes on here and says "Jimmy Smith is a mate of mine and I hear that you're looking at him. He was magnificent when he played for Manchester United Under 8 B team. Does anyone know anything about this rumour?" or some such.

 

I agree. Doesn't sound a lot dissimilar to that Magpie post a few months ago.

 

Personally, I wouldn't think Lee would even contemplate making a sideways move. I would hope that his ambitions in the game are a bit higher than that. As well as that, anyone with an ounce of sense can see that Weymouth is an accident waiting to happen. Just remind me, what league is it that Hornchurch are playing in now?

[MADEFM]

Dont think Clarke would leave, even if he doesnt 'love' the club he still likes it. I mean he lives up my way and actually teaches in Bourne. Nice area for him, a lot cheaper to live up here and not too far to travel.I expect he may even get lifts with Bastock. And as for him, il think he'll keep on playin until a bad injury or somthing. He seems a genuine player who loves football.

[YELLOW]

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Nos said:
AFF said

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I'm always intrigued when a first-time poster comes on here and says "Jimmy Smith is a mate of mine and I hear that you're looking at him. He was magnificent when he played for Manchester United Under 8 B team. Does anyone know anything about this rumour?" or some such.

Personally, I wouldn't think Lee would even contemplate making a sideways move. I would hope that his ambitions in the game are a bit higher than that. As well as that, anyone with an ounce of sense can see that Weymouth is an accident waiting to happen. Just remind me, what league is it that Hornchurch are playing in now?

Weymouth are a sleeping giant who even when playing [****!!****] still attract crowds of well over a 1,000. You couldn't say the same about Hornchurch.

[Nos]

Yellow, to pay the sort of wages Weymouth are paying, including their backroom staff, I would suggest they would probably need crowds of something in excess 3 to 4 times what they are actually getting.

[The Caretaker]

...if rumours are to be believed ( from a very reliable source) and William Verry are still putting in their usual amount .... its exactly the same situation at City.

[AFF]

Nearly but not quite, with respect Caretaker.

 

It's the same to the extent that expenditure is well in excess of income. No figures are published but I suspect that the company that owns the club has put in something of the order of £300,000+ in the four years since the majority shareholding was acquired from the previous chairman and I guess that William Verry Ltd is looking at putting in another £40/50,000 this season.

 

Thanks very much from me, and good luck to them.

 

Its different, however to the extent that its verging on inconceivable to me that William Verry Ltd will simply 'stop' putting the money in one bright sunny morning leaving a string of unpaid bills and players waiting to be paid etc. etc.

 

The position at Hornchurch last season was highly complex as, in its own way, was the position of Lee Harding at St Albans City, but if the current owners of our football club ever want to stop, then I picture that they would give proper and plenty of notice.

[Nos]

AFF said

 

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Nearly but not quite, with respect Caretaker.

 

 

Most definitely not quite. Not in the same ball park.

[Electric ~soul~]

If you know something Nossy, then why can't you post it?

[AFF]

I think that you have misunderstood something here, Zealster.

 

Nos put up a post to the effect that the running costs of Weymouth F.C. are such that they would need an attendance of 3 or 4 times as many as they actually get for it to be sustained if the chairman suddenly stopped putting in the difference. Earlier, he drew comparison with the Hornchurch situation last season.

 

Caretaker then put up a post suggesting that our position is little different.

 

I then put my own clarification of that point and my reading of Nos' last post is that he recognises my point which, he feels, is a very different position from Weymouth's.

 

Its not a case of 'knowing' something. You could say that its a question of degree.

[The Caretaker]

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Yellow, to pay the sort of wages Weymouth are paying, including their backroom staff, I would suggest they would probably need crowds of something in excess 3 to 4 times what they are actually getting.

 

Sorry if this is confusing but the comment I made related to this post ..... and the situation is exactly the same. City overspend by a large amount every week based on its income ..... not just gate money.

 

Lets be honest as well, for all we know Weymouth might generate a considerable sum through its commercial activities and this fact might account for their expenditure. This is definitely not the case at City so the situation here could be even more serious

 

I made no reference to any other senario that may occur in the future.

 

But come the relocation ..... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[AFF]

Sorry to be pedantic, Caretaker, but if you had said that The Mighty Saints need to increase their gates by about 65% [rather than by a multiple of 3 or 4] in order to meet the running costs of the club, then you would be about right, I reckon.

[Nos]

Hallelujah <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/excited.gif" alt="" />

[The Caretaker]

Sorry to be pedantic, AFF but do you mean the running costs of the club or the players wages ?

 

Nos, if you know the situation then please let us know and stop this "I know a secret but I cant tell you" b**llsh*t. If you dont know, take your head out of the sand, where it quite clearly has been for some time now, and just look around you at the next home game.

[AFF]

Hi CT.

 

I may have missed something here although I have re-read the last few messages and I can't find it.

 

It seems to me that Nos' view is that, at Weymouth, the attendance contributes 25% of the playing budget/running costs of the club and some wealthy Chairman puts in the rest, ie 75%. He thinks that is a bad thing. For me, its certainly unhealthy.

 

At The Mighty Saints, I suggested that the attendance and general income contributes 75% or so of the playing budget/running costs and the company that owns the majority shareholding makes up the shortfall of, say 25% or thereabouts. [As a general observation, I don't believe that is very healthy, either.]

 

I made the point that I can hardly conceive that William Verry Ltd would simply 'stop' and leave everyone and everything in the lurch although the fans of Horchurch last season may have felt the same. That gives me some comfort.

 

Nos can speak for himself but I read from his postings that the combination of two factors [the fact that 'only' 25% of the costs are being picked up by WV Ltd and that they are an, [for want of a better term and meaning no disrespect to the people at the Urchins], honourable company] means that we are in a very different position than Weymouth. Its a matter of degree, as I said elsewhere.

 

[Do you sometimes get three quarters of the way through a post and wish you hadn't bothered?]

 

I can't see any hint that Nos 'knows something'.

 

Returning to your question of me, CT, the position of The Mighty Saints is somewaht unusual. A scan of the books would show the financial position but that could give a false impression to the layman. We pay no rent. Other than pitch maintainance, there has been very little expenditure on general repairs to the ground. We rely wholly upon volunteer labour on matchdays with the notable exceptions of the chap who used to drive the red tractor and the Bar Manager with her team of assistants. To that extent, the playing budget is by a long way the greatest element of expenditure and the club could be said to be run on a shoestring budget.

 

Anyway. Where was I? I've had enough.

[Nos]

AFF said

 

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Nos can speak for himself

 

Certainly can, AFF. I first came into this thread, making a point about Weymouth and their ridiculously high budget. It wasn't a speculative suggestion, it is common knowledge. I then went on to say that they are on track, in my opinion, to follow in Hornchurch's footsteps if they do not address the situation. Simple as that.

 

I have never mentioned St. Albans City's financial situation. TC, for reasons best known to himself, sought to bring that into the equation accusing me of knowing this, not knowing that, having my head in the sand etc, etc.

 

Fk me, what is the world coming to when you can't have a sensible, constructive conversation (in this instance, about the side with the highest budget in the division, by some distance) without someone coming at you with twelve barrels, who obviously has some sort of axe to grind with our club.

 

I, too, have had enough AFF and I don't need to be wasting my time on the likes of it. I'm off down the pub. Goodnight.

[Electric ~soul~]

Okay, but Nos is who I think he is, yes??

[The Caretaker]

Nos

 

I have no axe to grind with the club. I am very grateful to John and William Verry for their massive input over the last few seasons. I am sure that there have been times when it would have been easier to say "I don't need to be wasting my time on the likes of it. I'm off down the pub. Goodnight"

 

My problem is with people who come on this board wearing rose tinted glasses, spouting about "Lord Lippiatt" and all is well in the garden cr*p. It quite clearly isn't. Dont get me wrong, Colin has done a fine job in turning the playing fortunes of the first team around but that seems to have little effect on THE CLUB as a whole.

 

William Verry have put 50K into the club every year for the past 3 seasons (at least), this is on top of the initial payments to sort out the CVA and other debts when they took over. More of the same can be expected this year.

 

This is a fact.

 

The budget of an income of 30K from pre season friendlies has not been met by a long way. AFF I'm sure you can tell me what the club generated from these games as you seem to be very good at that sort of thing.

 

The crowds are still below budgeted figures. Again AFF might be able to help out here with average gate x average price so far this season (allow for free passes and free loaders please) aginst what we believe to be the running costs.

 

All I am trying to point out is that this club has the same sort of problems as others. In some cases a lot worse in others maybe not.

 

I see no commercial activities to bring revenue into the club. I see a ground that is fast approaching a dangerous state. I see stewarding that is .... sorry I dont see any stewarding. I see a health and safety officer that cant walk around the ground ...and I still see people being offered free entry ..... I know this as it was offered to me the last home game I attended in lieu of voluntary work I had done pre season ... I declined the offer by the way.

 

So with all this in mind I think THE CLUB does have a serious problem and people keep ignoring it and gloss things over by talking about this player, that player , what a great win etc. I have tried to help resolve some of these issues, a fact well know to lots of people at the club, but without any success.

 

Its time for others to wake up and take on this challenge before John does get tired of it all and dissapear into the sunset. Its an option no one seems willing to consider.

 

There ...... rant over. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angel.gif" alt="" />

[Iron Webbo]

"before John does get tired of it all and dissapear into the sunset"

 

deja vu?

[AFF]

I am trying hard to picture Gibbo scuttling out of Clarence Park after sunset [a moonlight flit, that used to be called] with a trailer behind his car, a red tractor, and the various implements tied to it, a PA System, tea-urn and carved pumpkin balanced precariously on the roof rack, chased by a posse of bailiffs and assorted creditors, followed closely by the entire 1st team squad, with the management team coming up behind looking for their last 8 weeks wages, calling over his shoulder "Next time, I'm gunna use me brains instead of me wallettttttttt".

 

Try as I might, the picture wont come into focus.

 

Deja vu? I don't think so.