Next season

[Guest]

Now we know what league we are in next season,and he obvious elation over the work being done at HP,is it not time there was some concrete news about our playing staff,pre season freindlies,Bill Edwards testimonial etc,etc,BECAUSE TIME IS RUNNING SHORT !!Unless some more decent players are taken on board we are in for a rough ride.All we seem to hear is" Youre Directors are working hard to get the embargo lifted" Until it is we are in the world of ***t!! Can some one tell us what exactly is required to happen( is it planning permission for the commercial side of things to be granted.if so we are in trouble )or something else before he debts are paid of by who ever and the embargo lifted.I am not having a go at the Club or any one, I am just asking what I consider to be reasonable questions to the Club given the current circumstances!!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

[Guest]

i think there is a real worry that the embargo wont be lifted untill the commercial stuff is passed by the council and it dosnt look as if this is even close to being done.we are in total limbo until this is sorted there is also the matter of the cva being sorted as it is still possible the club will go bankrupt i hope none of this is right but it is a possibility

[Guest]

The embargo wont be lifted until the commercial plans are put through, but the plans have to be good enough first. The club has delayed the plans for far too long. Its a shot in their own foot. How long have these plans been coming for now...in the most recent string of councils requests for them it was since October! Why didnt they start earlier.

 

I think the club needs to pull its socks up and just get it done. I think its far too harsh to blame the council because the club couldnt get the plans done.

 

Strictly speaking the Council can go their own way and make its own plans. After all, the independent survey said the plans werent good enough.

[Cookie]

Why do you and others assume it IS the clubs fault. Why do people not wonder about the council's attitude in all this. Now I dont know the facts and have blamed the council on many occasions for stalling but in truth I do not have the facts to hand. In the same way you and others should not be condeming the club when it could be that it is they that have done all the nessasary. Without fulL knowledge of the facts you should not assume it is the clubs fault in the same way that I should not really assume it is the councils fault. However,having said that,the vast amount of hours that have elapsed trying to get this sorted does sway me to believe,in my own mind,that this club would not surely be that naive to not have forwarded the correct information required,considering it is THEY that are trying to get moving on this.It just dosent make sense that the club would have ignored all the councils requests. We will know one-day however just who was to blame,who is to blame, and until this episode comes to an end we will have to trust someone.Sorry but my trust goes with the club and if they say that detailed plans,all fully in order have been forwarded then I would raher believe them, rather them than the council. This is beyond a joke now and someone has to intervene. The council have delayed a meeting last week and that was FACT! This delay was not the clubs decision. I have e.mailed S.E for his comments but so far have not had a reply.

It would also be of assistance if the club could up date us on this and the embargo details also.This cannot go on indefinately. WE have to get this sorted once and for all and if this means bringing in a third party to make a decision then that surely has to be the case. This has to stop NOW. Enough lying by whoever is lying and time everyone got their heads together and made a decision. Unless that decision has already been made and we dont know about it.In that case no amount of persuasion will be enough. Time for the OMBUDSMAN to intervene and the club should be calling him NOW. This should have been done a long time ago.

[Guest]

Cookie, it's the close season, it's a Monday morning. What better time for scaremongering and wild speculation?

[Cookie]

I am doing nothing of the sort. Am merely replying to an above post. Read the bloody thing and see if its scaremongering. ITS NOT. I am trying to see both sides of this but I have to support the club and thats what I have done. James mylad above is accusing the club therefore I am entitled to support them to even things up.

And it dosent matter two hoots what day or time it is. This was raised by Maskell and therefore I replied. If people turn on the computer at this time of day,as you have done then they should be able to take anything. Was your choice to turn on,log in & reply. If its too early for you then go back to bed.

[Guest]

didn't Keith Piper say at the end of season do that all outstanding debts - wages owed, etc - would be paid off in the next week?

[margateshot]

I thought that the club announced a couple of weeks ago that the plans were not being put to the council, at the next meeting, because the Traffic Impact Study had not been fully dealt with. Therefore they wanted everything in place before submitting it to prevent any other dealys.

[Guest]

Cookie, I thought it was fairly obvious that I was taking the Mickey out of the posters before you, and not you.

[Cookie]

Fair enough. You posted it under mine therefore I felt you were replying to me. Apologies then.

[Guest]

"to even things up"...you shouldnt pick sides based on who supports who...you should look at the facts and informtation available and make a decision for yourself. Im not trying to patronise you.

 

I honestly believe the club doesnt have the finances to pay for this development. If this development is allowed through by the council, where is the money going to ome from? The club owes 5 years in rent and rates, which wil be a lot of money. The Council hasnt got a lot o money and wont be able to pay out to the club.

 

KP says the bills will be paid out...where from....the club hasnt got enough money and is in administration.

 

Where has the money gone? A simple question...perhaps KP would answer that question, instead of saying things will get better, when it is plainly obvious that its not. I want to be proved wrong but I dont see it happening...even with this new stadium, the club will still be owing money by the truckload...and it cant be paid off with bits of flint.

 

If the plans have been good enough why havent the Club appealed...if the plans were good enough, the club should appeal.

[michael]

I think Mr Maskell and some of the related threads may be missing the point (or maybe i am wrong);that it is not the football club making the commercial application.

It is Margate and London development company -i think that is an off shoot of Mr Levers company.

 

Thereby as this forum is a MFC forum there is no be no possible response, and on paper at least it is nothing to do with MFC.

 

In reality, i suspect the lifting of MFC embargo relies on Margate and London development company succeeding,but there seems little point in criticising MFC over the commercial plans as its not their baby anymore.

[margateshot]

The club never stated that they had the money to pay for this. The money is coming from a private company who will be paid back by the club afterwards from the profits from the business development. I'm not sure what is now planned from the original idea, but a doctors surgery would have been repaid in rent and the Hotel/pub/5 a side pitches etc would all, presumably, made profits in themselves enabling the club to repay the loan. You must also remember that the original company, Stadium Management, collapsed during the original application. That in itself cost the club a large amount of money. As for the embargo I don't know how much is owed, but it may not be question of getting permission to build the development, the money may be available from elsewhere,I don't know. The question about how much is owed has already been asked and I think the club are reluctant to release that information.

[Guest]

Does anybody have access to the last set of accounts by Margate Football Club...as an Ltd they have to by law release their annual accounts (profit/loss, cash flow statement and balance sheet)?

[Guest]

Lets try to be realistic here as a supporter for 45 years and one who knows about Kp more than most.

 

YOu may not like him you may not trust him but he has never walked away and feels in his heart that he was patially responsible for the mess were in.

 

He is trying dammed hard to get us out of it.

 

Now whetther we do or dont wont be for the lack of effort

 

Dont worry about rent from the council as we have an arrangement not to pay any.

 

AS far as i know we have one creditor who would not accept the terms set out by the club before CVA. The rest did.

 

Yep we owe in access of 400 grand. it will take ages to pay it back but at least at HP we will get some revenue. The likes of Wimbledon coming especially if its a saturday will get us at least 16000 pounds .

 

We have to return home and i thin k the council know this or they would not have let us go back.

 

Sure we need the plans ratified and i think they will be eventually.

 

I think its easy to still panic at this stage.

 

At least the ground in some shape or other will be built. My main fear is that CK will run out of patience and the team would then dissolveaway and leave us with players of a lower standard and unable to compete in RP.

 

There is a long time left till the players return in July. It wont all be sorted then but JUST maybe things will be clearer. Remember we have outline planning permission already.

[Guest]

I know that there are still a few people on here who believe the club is in safe hands. But most of the evidence seems to point in the opposite direction. There have been years of promises and talk of being on the verge.But 2 groundshares,2 relegations and countless failed planning applications it's still not lookiing good.

Why dont the people in charge try and sell the club? Is there something going on that you all dont know about? Who exactly is going to be making money out of Hartsdown is it the club or a few conveniently placed individuals.

Does anyone know why the people from Link Records stopped investing in MFC? I think it would be interesting to find out!!

[Guest]

Link records your going back a bit I can find out if you want?

[MargateFan]

I don't know about anyone else, but these irritating scaremongers just about take the biscuit. Two weeks or so ago it was 'nothing is happening at the stadium, it will never get built'. Went a bit quiet when the big plant moved in. Then it is attacking the fans and the club for the stone removal. Now it is the usual rubbish about money. Next week it will be something else. Good grief, do we have to be subjected to this drivel all summer?

 

If people think the club is going to go bust, KP is the devil incarnate, the council is led by the Angel Gabriel, so be it; and if they could get a football ground built from scratch and run it better than MFC why the hell don't they go away and just do it and leave us all in peace? Hell no, they talk a good whinge but that seems to be the only thing they will ever accomplish in their sad little lives.

 

They have no idea how hard and how long people have been working to keep this club going, and no, I do not for a minute believe that they could be capable of even 1% of the effort and will it has taken to get this far. And by the way, this is a fan's forum, so if they do not support the club I for one would not be sad to see them bog off and irritate someone else.

[Guest]

well said june . this must be the post of the year , best reply to a winge i have seen .margate saint

[Margate Don]

Well said indeed June. The same thing happened last summer as I recall, no more football to talk about and out come all the doom and gloom merchants. They seem to have some new recruits this year but basically the same whinges and gripes. Probably best just to let them get on with it and wait and till we've got football to talk about come July.