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[Nos]

 

 

AFF said

 

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Now please refer to one or two comments earlier on this thread. We will have to agree to disagree, Nos, concerning the merits of a link with a successful Yoof set-up. And if you are suggesting that the links with St Albans City Youth FC, the midweek Yoof side itself and the successful Reserve set-up from two seasons ago have not produced any players of any level of quality, Nos, we aren't on the same wavelength.

 

Nowhere did I say that the club shouldn't have links with the youth and a reserve team set-up. Where do you get that idea from? Put your bins on. Of course it should. It is the only way forward but you have to realise you are never going to get more than one, two maximum, coming through per season. Even so, that is still a great return and I feel it should have been persevered with.

 

What I was saying was that you appeared to be infering that there had been a list as long as your arm that had come through from the youth/reserves over the past couple of years that were ready for Conference South football. Please correct me if I am wrong on that. If that is what you are saying, I cannot agree with you. Seeby has deservedly made it, Mackail-Smith (with us more than 2 years ago) has made tremendous stides but Deacon, for one reason or another, appears to have disappeared into oblivion. A couple of others, Matt Jones and Adam Smith, looked to have great potential but that is about it as far as I can see.

 

I don't know a lot about football, either.

[AFF]

Keep guessing?

 

Here's a guess.

 

Apart from: Chris Seeby, Ricky Perks, Carl Kavanagh, Jake Attwood, Ben Cogger, Matt Jones, Adam Parker, David Parkinson, Amadou Riley, Adam Smith, Alister Collins, Danny Cross, Will Davies, Greg Deacon, Darren Gibb, Peter Hanson, Simon Martin, Joe Meija, Jamie Parsons, Tony Perfect, and Craig Mackail-Smith, apart from those 21 players, excluding those 21, the Yoof and Reserves set-up hasn't produced a single player capable of wearing a 1st Team shirt over the past 4 seasons?

 

Warm?

[AFF]

Hi Nos. Glad you didn't run away from this one.

 

You will appreciate that my post immediately above was in response to Caretaker rather than you. Good guess, huh?

 

I think that the original point that was being made was that, without regular competitive football, it will be very difficult to keep players such as Ricky Perks and Carl Kavanagh both happy and in the finely honed athletic shape what is required of them. They wont achieve that by getting splinters in their backsides every week, even with the perk of a Club Ferrari on top of their salary.

 

There is a very large number of very good reasons to maintain, what in our case, of course, is, 'strong links' with, a healthy and thriving Youth set-up and a Reserves team. The opportunity for players such as those two to play is just one of them.

 

I don't know anything about football, don't forget.

[Nos]

I see you have posted again AFF so this is going to 'cross in the post'.

 

If you pardon the expression, AFF, you seem to be moving the goalposts here. The 2 years is now up to 4, apart Adam Parker who must have been with the youth over 10 years ago.

 

I must admit I did forget about Simon Martin and Ricky Perks I apologise for that. All of those players you mention may have worn a 1st team shirt in the past 2 years, 4 years or whatever. Does that mean to say they are all good enough to play in the Connie South? A few are (as stated in my earlier post) but most are not. Sorry and all that but that is my honest opinion.

 

 

For what it's worth, I don't believe it is anything to do with Lippiatt either and also neither is it financial. Not many options left, then.

[The Lyrical Tarantula]

I'm going to chip in with one point only and mainly because i totally agree with the caretaker and the way the club is run:

 

I spoke to a couple of geezers at the Hornchurch game, I thought they were Urchins but after a while they admitted they were scouts for Swindon and were scouting a player, so I thought we have loads of young players here who might be able to make the grade - Seeby, Clarke, Davis etc ..... who were they here to see ...... Carl Kavanagh, word had spread about him so he needs some games, I told them that we played Chesunt at home over a month ago ......

[cityman]

I don't want to guess about anything...my initial reply was purely to say that CL had no envolvement with any such decision.

[AFF]

Hi Rob2.

 

Quite right, old chap. Your comment that this is nothing to do with Lord Lippiatt couldn't possibly be seen as any level of criticism of anything. Best to keep the head down if any issue is raised along those lines. The expressions "I don't know anything about that" or "I don't really know any details of that issue" or "No, that's nothing to do with me" may come in handy. Probably more asppropriate than your "I don't want to guess about anything".

 

You should be all right and escape retribution on the Day of Reckoning.

 

Hi Nos.

 

I must confess that my extension of two seasons to four was simply to enable me to include Craig. Three would have done, of course. The rest have played in the last two. And yes, Adam Parker is in a different category. He played for St Albans City Youth FC but arrived in the 1st team by a very different route than the rest.

[The Caretaker]

Nos and AFF

 

The point (and I think you both appreciate the basics but not knowing anything about football I will try to explain) is that whilst some players would be ready for Conf South football at the end of their youth days (Deacon, Seeby) most would need a year or two (Craig and the rest) to fulfill their pontential.

 

The oportunity to make this happen was set up under a former Chairman and Manager along the lines of playing midweek youth football at a good level from ages 16 - 18. Progression then into a reserve side playing plenty of games on Saturdays from around 18 - 20. From this set up we would hope to get maybe two players each season that would make the step up to the first team squad. Would still need to work on those players but it was possible, as the list of those with the potential clearly demonstrates. Most of those players given time would have made it. No one on here can tell me different as I am probably the only person to have seen most of them play over a period of 5/6 years.

 

This operation was put in place gradually and attracted good young players from outside the area as well (Tyrone London, ex Charlton trainee for example and Scott Atkinson who just for interest has signed for Hornchurch next year. Watch him bang a few goals in.) who were also more than capable.

 

This was all done at the time when the club was in a perilous financial position which is why each venture was funded outside of the main club. It has also ocurred during a time when gates have been falling rapidly and the word from within the club is that money is tight. So to develop your own set of young players, all who would die to play for the club, would certainlty cost a lot less than anyone bought in from outside and on top of this, if one or two who did make it were "local" it would hopefully attract a greater interest from local people and business than has happened to date.

 

These things need the correct length of time to produce the end results and this was just starting to work when the axe fell. That is the real shame about the whole thing but then some of us know why it was ended.

 

As for Swindon looking at Kavanagh, is this the same Swindon who released Ben Martin....know which one I'd pick.

 

Just shows that we all know nothing ..... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[Zagreus]

OK, I'm a bit thick on this one, and without the presence of a starigth answer I'll ask the question. So, why was "it" ended then? Please do tell!!

[AFF]

Zag. Where have you been? Do try to keep up.

 

I don't know what I'm talking about. Caretaker has a rudimentary knowledge, it would seem. Everybody else has their head in the sand on the basis that "I want it to be all right, so if I tell myself that its all right enough times, it will be. All right, that is."

 

We don't know 'why'.

 

Perhaps Caretaker doesn't actually know what he's talking about. Me? I don't, but my guess that the system doesn't produce enough players to pull on a 1st Team shirt [21 over 3 years? Pshaw! Rubbish. That's no rate of return] is the best reason I've heard so far.

 

What's your view? Please don't say 'I don't want to guess'.

[Zagreus]

This is where I show my ignorance, and my bad memory. I only ever watched the reserve (youth?) side once, and that was last season (not the one just gone, but the one before that). It was the Fred thingie cup final, where they won. I enjoyed it alot, and was disappointed to learn that it was all going to be "disbanded". That's were my involvement begins and ends. BUT I do have an opinion that a youth/resever team,that has the potential to feed into the senior first team is a good thing.

 

So my guess, if it's not money and it's not the fact that it wasn't producing enough players to be beneficial, then it may be something to do with other people either being jealous or thinking that they could do it it better. But on saying that, I still don't really understand why we now only have a first team?

[Electric ~soul~]

I think the First team found it embarrassing when, in training, they were beaten week-in, week-out by the Reserves!!

[The Caretaker]

Ha Ha ... great memories ....

 

P9 W6 D2 LI F15 A6 GD+9 P20 "TOP OF THE FECKING LEAGUE" ..... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/ban.gif" alt="" />

 

Still not the reason ... something to do with a tail and a dog I was told....... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />