manager/coach

[Cyclops]

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cider said:
Great question,a director of football would run a football club from top to bottom as a manager would.From staff/player recruitement,contracts youth development,scouting the whole lot.Then if he is doing his job properly,would leave first team matters,playing style,tactics,training,team picking,speaking to players,down to the coach.He would also manage the coaching staff,so eveyone is answerable to someone,and report regulary to the committee.This could work at esl level but as someone (coach 64 i think,) most correctly stated egos do get in the way and for some reason coaches who do their job well think that the next step is management.Wrong,i think it is coaching at a better level!

Director of Football will usually be the one who decides the club's style of play. He will pick coaches he believes will get the team to play that way and impose that style across the club so that a player coming in from the reserve or youth team can fit into the first team more easily.

He will usually be the link between the playing staff and the Board of Directors and may be co-opted onto the Board, although I think that represents a conflict of interest because the playing staff's responsibility is to the supporters and the Board's is, by definition, to its shareholders

He will also work with the club's solicitors when it comes to drawing up the schedules to contracts (all written contracts for players in England must follow a basic set form which is imposed by the FA), working within whatever constraints the Board has put on him and, possibly, when it comes to releasing players during a contract and the contract is compromised.

It's not a job I would want.

[Cyclops]

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zody said:
what do you achieve from an ego

Your identity.

[Southport - TOWNER]

i think the fans should pick the team, as we are the best managers around, we know who should be in and out of the team; we know the formation; the tactics, and we also know how to run mechanics of a football club!!!

[The Invisible Man]

So Cyclops, a Director of Football is basically what a traditional English Manager is (or was)!

[cider]

Ok but what if the coach is clearly more tactically aware than the manager should he not realise this and give his coach a free raine.I dont beliebe their is a right way or wrong way i am just looking at it logically.Again i think with what you are saying peoples ego`s are a big factor

[coupwotcoup]

You p!ssed?

[cider]

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compaq7500 said:
Sorry no way the manager picks the team not the coach,the manager would let his/her coach have an input into team selection but you will never agree totally on this,if the coach picks the team then why do you need a manager,what to make the phone calls,sort out the training facilities,pay the wages each week,at esl level the manager should run the football club from top to bottom including all youth sides,the clubs coaches should bring the youth forward through the ranks of the club hopefully bringing some players into the 1st team set up,as i have said before some coaches think they would be good managers but that has been proved to be not the case

Maybe,but if a manager knows his coach is more tactically aware why not let him choose the team and the tactics?

[compaq7500]

If the manager lets the coach pick the team and also lets him choose the tactics and formation,whats the point of having a manager,just to do all the phone calls,washing of the kit,training tops etc etc,somehow i dont think so,what manager would be prepared to do all the donkey work for his coach and then let him pick the team on matchdays,dont make me laugh,the coach coaches the team and manager manages the team which includes picking the side for every game.

[coach et 64]

thanks God there are not many so called ENGLISH MANAGERS left in the PREMIERSHIP,soon they will be like the DINOSAURS in extinction <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> i have seen so many"BILLY-GOATS" that couldn't even coach their dog!i am thinking about my son as the next manager,he is a master at playing championship manager <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

[cider]

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compaq7500 said:
If the manager lets the coach pick the team and also lets him choose the tactics and formation,whats the point of having a manager,just to do all the phone calls,washing of the kit,training tops etc etc,somehow i dont think so,what manager would be prepared to do all the donkey work for his coach and then let him pick the team on matchdays,dont make me laugh,the coach coaches the team and manager manages the team which includes picking the side for every game.

Think the point is being missed somehow.Whoever the manager or coach is at whatever club the priority is to get results.If that means taking a back seat with tactics etc..and allowing better equipped more qualified coaches to do this why not?.Obviously the manager would have some input and discussions would take place along with team meetings.Their are plenty of things the manager can undertake which are equally important,which he can do without the coach.

[compaq7500]

Sorry i disagree with you on this 1 why would a coach be better with tactics and to say what players should start the game just because he has got a coaching qualification,sorry people get a coaching badge to coach players whatever the age or sex,this qualification does not make them good managers.

[Lightweight]

Surely in this day and age the Manager is the head coach the coach or the managers assistant helps to apply the managers tactics etc. Some don't have assistants re. Paul Fairclough

[coach et 64]

i have got to say that going on these MONEY MAKERS AND P**S TAKERS coaching courses run by people that couldn't even manage a ryman league side in this country it's a total waste of time.a coaching course where they still use a preistoric coaching formula where you have got to say STOP-STAND STILL AND ALL THAT B****KS LIKE A MUPPETT!mr john allpress if you are out there try to deny this,like you did in that dutch soccer magazine,innit? it certainly doesn't make you a better coach or manager attending these courses.one important thing these guys forget about it is that you are dealing with 16-18 different individuals,with different needs etc,so man management skills count as much if not more than tactics,fitness and all the rest.i will never stop telling you:IT'S A TEAM WORK AND YOU ARE AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH YOU.you need a good tactician,a good fitness trainer and a good old fashioned english manager that knows how to deal with players,having respect for each individual role.ah i forgot it,a club that believes in you and backs you all the way and PLEASE not directors of football a la pleat! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

[cider]

Both good points however but going back to the original post i asked what qualities should a good esl manager have.Quite agrree that a coaching badge does not mean you are a good manager but then i dont believe thast coaches who take qualifications want to always manage.On the other hand i would suggest that a coach with level 3 or A licence would be better equiped to choose tactics and personel than say a manager who has played at esl level or below.I would also say that player awareness is very important as their seems to be quite a big turnover in the number of players used by esl teams.In an ideal world a club with a manager with good player awareness and a coach who can improve the players who are brought in would be the answer.I can`t see why a manager would not want a coach if he knew he was better equiped to have the power to state and change the tatics and personel if he felt it would benefit the team.I also feel that some managers ego`s would somehow get in the way of this.

[Cyclops]

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The Invisible Man said:
So Cyclops, a Director of Football is basically what a traditional English Manager is (or was)!

Not really. The traditional football manager would be more "hands on" when it comes to training. The Director of Football will leave all that to the coaches having ensured that they are aware what style is being impoosed across the club. Also, traditionally it would be club directors, probably the Chairman in a smaller club, who would deal with the contractual issues.

The rules surrounding financial dealings with clubs are a lot tighter than they used to be, with the FA Handbook having a fairly substantial section plus several appendices relating to contracts. For clubs competing in European competitions, there is also now the UEFA Club Licensing Manual which has about 30 of its 161 pages dedicated to financial matters. And the FA now has a Financial Advisory Unit and compliance officers to try to ensure that the Unit's guidance is followed.

A Director of Football is becoming a middle man between the Board and the playing staff far more than the traditional football manager was.