two faced supporters

[Guest]

You fans are two faced, alright last night was poor and so has other performances but youve got a cup fnal to come and have had two other cup runs and the players havent benifited from the cup run in many ways the obvious being not making the play offs.

On the other hand the boys were heroes just three games ago against windsor and the cup runs obviusly so try and get behind the team oh no you cant its too late

[Burnham Lad]

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Anonymous said:
You fans are two faced, alright last night was poor and so has other performances but youve got a cup fnal to come and have had two other cup runs and the players havent benifited from the cup run in many ways the obvious being not making the play offs.
On the other hand the boys were heroes just three games ago against windsor and the cup runs obviusly so try and get behind the team oh no you cant its too late

Dear Anon,

There is nothing wrong with having standards and wanting your team to achieve them. Yes, they were poor last night, but I would think that all of the fans who gave them stick, because we know they can do much better, will be there behind them at the next match. So what is your point? I know it is difficult for those for whom English is obviously a second language to understand this, and who are unable to understand how to register on this site, but believe me, the support will be there, when it matters. We don't carry on turning up week after week unless we believe they can do it, and we will turn up and do believe! Also, if you think the Slough fans were being harsh, Eddie and Micky did not look exactly happy, and they only gave the team a five minute break at half time before sending them back out. You see, everybody gets unhappy when we know they can do so much better. If they couldn't, the crowd would have disappeared long ago.

So run along now, and play with your Lego or yourself, or whatever you do in your spare time. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />

[A Rebel and a Saint]

anon, theres no problem with pointing out that your team has played badly, what important is that we get on with it once we have done so, we are all looking forward to the next game, and hoping that we can improve on the last performance. we all know how well the rebels can play when they are at their best, but we also know that slough are not the most consistant of teams, so we just put up with it and get on with it. its comes with supporting a non league club!

[Guest]

Yes we all feel disapointed and rightly so after such a poor performance...but I am and always will be a supporter who likes to encourage and put a brave face on it...

 

Its the managers job to sort those problems out and he lives by the decisions he makes...but shouting and displaying your annoyance only adds to the tension and in my opion has a very negative effect in the long run.

 

Not to say that you can give your own reasons why you think things went wrong in good and open disscussion (not a problem) but venting anger and spitting blood towards a team will never do any good.

 

Especially when many tell me that this is the best team for years and what ever happens with the run in we can be proud of what has been acheived....

 

Well chill out then....is my reply....Its only a game and its all about team work and the supporters are part of this team too..but we need to be in harmony too...

 

cheers chris sliski

[Rebel Kay]

Gosh Chris, I've dared to suggest that football was only a game a couple of times, I've lived to tell the tale but only just. I thought that was only a female sentiment. Well said anyway.

[Guest]

Thats what happens when you have got a supportive and understanding wife...it rubs on from her...

 

LOL............... tks.... chris <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

[GarySTFC]

I've kept an eye on this thread with interest following on from the initial posting here, which I thought, and still do, was written by one of the players as I know there are quite a few players look over the site and in particular the forum. With Internet connections so cheap and commonplace these days, it would be foolish not to think that they're not keeping an eye on it to be honest.

 

There are two real chains of though for me on this though, in the form of some lovely analogies. Obviously, we as supporters, pay our money to come in and watch the entertainment put on offer by our team. In effect, we are their customers. The players and management have set themselves a standard this season, on and off, which we, as customers, would expect them to perform at. We've seen the highs of the Eastleigh away performance, and the lows of Tuesday's defeat against Kingstonian. Not expecting them to be world beaters, nor win every match 10 or 15-0, but we would expect them to put in 100% effort into the match and find the middle ground of the two matches mentioned previously. I do believe on Tuesday, with one or two exceptions, that the effort wasn't there. If you are not putting in the required effort at work, would you not expect your paying customers to feel aggrieved with the 'service' they are getting? Admittedly, some people are very quick to get on the backs of the team and are vocal to go with it. This may well come from expectancy levels being far too high.

 

On the other hand, we are there to support our team. We all want them to do well, and progress as players, and preferably progress as players with STFC. Shouting at players with critical comments, even on here, will do them no favours. Do we really want to force our players out? The same players that have done us so proud this season? Eddie hit the nail on the head the other day when he said the team always lifts the support, very rarely is it the other way round. One of my first memories of the vocal support of Slough was during our last Conference season. When the side conceded a goal, the Barmy Army launched straight into a song getting right behind the team regardless of the opposition, rather than comments of 'Rubbish' or 'That's useless'. Whilst the Stag isn't the best ground for acoustics, I'm sure the players will still pick up on the little comments, which is why the support of the team is even more important. I have no doubts in my mind that the players will know themselves when they've had a bad game (individually and collectively), and would hope to rectify that in their next performance.

 

We have a good set of players here at the club at the moment who are being given excellent guidance and training from Eddie, Mickey and Roy. I don't believe for a second the shouts of criticism will do them any favours during, or after, a match. We all want our team to win and to be successful, but at the same time, we must keep our expectations achieveable. Take into account the problems we have off the pitch and have experienced over the past few years, be thankful our club is still here to support and get behind them.

 

It's not easy to sing happily when performances like Kingstonian happen, but it could make all the difference. This season though, we wouldn't know, we've not tried. And yes, I'm as guilty as the rest. I try not to criticise the team when they are on the pitch, I tend to just keep my mouth shut, but could do a lot more in starting off the positives.

 

Again though, there's only a limited number of people behind the goal getting behind the team with the songs. I'm sure the team would appreciate the extra vocal support, and the added numbers would certainly be appreciated by the Barmy Army. Get behind the goal and get behind the team regardless of the performance.

[Guest]

A lot of the problem is we have different types of supporters. Behind the goal are the best bunch of supporters you will get, always supportive and cheering the side on.

 

In the stand there are mixed. When we are winning we are the best thing since sliced bread, but when we loose or are drawing you hear comments that you think 'well saying that's not going to help.

 

Poor Josias has been getting lots of stick in the stand from one supporter - the 'oh not again' man of late. If I was playing i'd get fed up with it and it would get to me as well. You wonder why some people just constantly slag off - it's hardly constructive is it.

 

Also when I have been on the tea side stand the moaning is awful. I just don't know what some people expect. We are not Chelsea!

[mal316]

A fiar point I feel Gary.

 

You may of read that I posted a similar message on the Windsor forum after the Slough game.

 

It is true that supporters are all to happy to forget what has happened in the past and only centre their thoughts on the last game.

 

Supporters need to look at the season as a whole before putting down their comments.

 

Your season, in my opinion, has been a successful one. Good runs in the FA Cup and Trohpy and into the Bryco Cup Final. Yes, your league season may have suffered as a result but at the end of it you have had an exciting season.

 

For us we had a good start to the season and then due to management changes and a few players leaving the team became unbalanced and we have suffered because of that, but we have fought on.

 

In closing I would say this to the supporters of both Windsor and Slough:-

 

Before posting scathing criticism just have a think back a few months and remember what good time we were both enjoying!

[GarySTFC]

Agree to an extent Foxy, but as Roge said the other day, when we're good, we're very good. When we're bad, we're very bad. This could be used for the support behind the goal. When we're playing well, it's very easy to get behind the team, and people do, but when we're not playing so well or things aren't going our way ala Tuesday night, the support is almost non-existant.

[Guest]

I'd be extremely disappointed if the original post was from a player. Whilst we will criticise where it's due, Slough fans are less two faced than most. I can only think of two occasions this season when the players have not been applauded off after a defeat....Northwood away and Kingstonian at home. Most other times we generally acknowledge that we've been beaten by a better team on the day.

 

Whilst you can debate whether the team should lift the supporters or vice versa the criticism on Tuesday was entirely justified. Standards dropped badly against Kingstonian and that's why the reaction was like it was. Eddie and Mickey clearly thought so too evidenced by them kicking the team out of the dressing room with ten minutes of half time remaining. I'd love to know whether any of the players felt they could walk off the pitch satisfied with their own performance (Miller excepted).

 

I've often been called a bad loser in the past when I've played various sports but always argue that I don't get angry when losing, only when I've been beaten by not performing as well as I know I can. That's exactly what happened on Tuesday. The justified criticism was because we know that this team, our team, is capable of so much better than they produced against Kingstonian.

 

Tuesday is gone however and we'll all be there tonight supporting our team as always.

[charlie]

have read this post with interest and have to say I side with Ian on this one...

 

Perhaps its unfair as I wasn't at the game this week, but I've never been to a STFC match and not cheered off the players so i would really hope it wasn't a player who started this thread. I was under the impression the boys knew that we were true, faithful fans who would stick by them through thick and thin, and that any criticism levelled at them was done with only good intentions...

 

agree to an extent with Foxy re: different fans, it appears it doesn't matter what level you play at, there will always be some idiot who declares themselves a 'fan' but only appears to shout abuse at the boys performing infront of them...miserable sods...

 

point to focus on now, regardless of your opinion of tuesday, is tonight's game. Shout your @sses off for the boys and show them that one bad performance will not deter the faithful.

[Martin]

Well here's the thing folks during Tuesday's game I commented repeatedly but fairly quietly that we were playing crap. Because we were playing crap. It was an observation. I criticised Eddie's substitution of the Milfer loudly because I thought he had been our best players. Otherwise I was largely encouraging and positive.

 

However, I felt with the defending for the last minute winner that I and all the other supporters had been let down. I also thought the players had let themselves down. They also let their team mates down in particular Josias and Smurf 1 who did not deserve to be on the losing side. I made this point to the players and everybody else in no uncertain terms. That is my right. I don't attend all these games for the good of my health. In fact I am fairly certain it is detrimental but there we go.

 

Football and Slough Town are my passion and when I don't think that passion is being matched on the pitch it pisses me off.

 

We know the players can do better and I try and encourage them to do better. But when the players throw a point away with 75 seconds remaining there is very little we can do save from tell them it was not good enough.

 

To whoever started this thread: I praise the players when their good and criticise them when their bad. Performance for me is more important than the result. If we play well and lose I am as happy as when we scrape a win.

 

I hope for better tonight.

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

Lets hope that the game tonight is better than Tuesdays and not forget that Saturdays was not wonderfull either.

 

I would hope Eddie has said what he needs to, and that the players have used some of their own common sense and will perform and give the commitment we know they are more than able to give.

 

I think with the comments made on here in the last couple of days that the fans will be more vocal to show that its a joint effort with the players.

 

I personally belive that it is Ians fault for our bad run as he started the sweepstake for places and points last week and this has been the kiss of death to the form - 5 wins on the bounce before the sweep, 2 losses since - the numbers prove me right! - I am sure Roger will agree with this!!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

 

Did the players or Deaner have a pound on a lower finish?! - makes it more passionate when money is involved!

[A Rebel and a Saint]

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Martin said:
Football and Slough Town are my passion and when I don't think that passion is being matched on the pitch it pisses me off.

We know the players can do better and I try and encourage them to do better.

like the fans of any football club - proffesional or amateur!
i may not be the perfect fan, im hardly a rebels regular, but i like to get behind the guys when they start to dip in form, theres nothing wrong with shouting at them to try and get them to pick it up a bit, shouts of 'come on', screaming at them to pressurise the opposition and the like are justified if there is a reason for it.
fortunately ive been lucky, i think slough have won about 7 of the 11 games that i have been to this season (rough guess), but i have seen the worst and best of slough, i know how varied the play can be. i wont say that i dont complain when i see them play badly, but when its over and done i look to the next game (as i do with southampton).
i think we are forgetting that we are lucky to have a football club representing slough at such a decent level in the non league structure, be it in slough or not.
my advice is just get behind the team in your own way during the game whether it be screaming at them to pick it up or getting them to continue to keep playing well, but once its finished, clap them off to the dressing rooms, and look to the next game.

[Don Juan DeMarcus]

OK being lucky enough to miss the match in question, i feel that i cannot coherently comment on the performance; HOWEVER..... (Here i go) I consider myself a true supporter; as i always try to give support however $hit we are playing at the time (And i know that all the REGISTERED people on this forum are the same)- the vast majority being the loud ones behind the goal. We are the ones that ALWAYS have a go at those criticising the team- and i know that any negative comments i have ARE ALWAYS said after the game or very quietly---- OUR TEAM HAS DONE US PROUD THIS SEASON-- I know a few of us had held out hopes of PLAY-OFFS-- However unlikely that is- and to lose to an already relegated team has, in my humble opinion, obliterated those hopes. People do have the right to say how they feel; however this is ONE AWFUL game and should not detract from some superb results this term- Walsall, Windsor x2, 3 good cup runs etc etc. I have supported Slough through thick and thin- from Dave Kemp era of nearly making the league proper to the diadora league and where we are now- I think for myself and many others who have seen us slide down the leagues (Much of which is due to us not having a ground)

Whatever happens to us i know that the REGS will be supporting the boys 100% whether we are top or bottom. If only there were some more of us!!

I think, to summarise (As I've spoken a lot of crap) Any criticism is not TWO FACED is merely a reaction of any passionate fan seeing their team do poorly against a LOWER DIVISION side. Its not a lack of support in any way- in fact i think it merely shows how much we care for the club and respect the players- no matter how they are playing! C'MON THE REBELS LETS GET SOME POINTS ON THE BOARD AND WIN THAT BLOODY CUP!!!

[Guest]

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Staines Rebel1 said:
I personally belive that it is Ians fault for our bad run as he started the sweepstake for places and points last week and this has been the kiss of death to the form - 5 wins on the bounce before the sweep, 2 losses since

Typical. You provide a public service and get criticised for it! If anyone is to blame it's Roger for predicting before the Hampton game that we'd win all but one of our remaining eleven games.

Fine, if that's the way you want it and if I'm to be held accountable I shall terminate the sweepstake competition with immediate effect. I would like to register my thanks to all entrants for the very nice takeaway Kay and I shall have with your twenty-two quid! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[Don Juan DeMarcus]

But please tell us if one of the team/management has baggsed 16th place!

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

Looks like the idear of a previous poster to increase the bet as the games go on would be of intrest to quiet a few now - Roger can waste some more money - bet he would be more cautious this time!

[Rebel Kay]

I too would be very disappointed if it was one of the players who started this thread. I'm sure that they realise that Tuesday night was poor. I don't believe that we are two faced. To my understanding being two faced is saying one thing to someones face and something different behind their backs. I appreciate that some fans feel the need to vent their frustration verbally, but I believe that that is all it is, frustration at seeing a team who can do well doing poorly. We don't have unrealitic expectations (or most of us dont) and we will be there again tonight and Saturday and tuesday etc and will support our team

and continue to do so through promotion, relagation, ground problems and so on. So lets all pull together, fans, players, management, officials to lift STFC and support our beloved Rebels.