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[Guest]

STU M .Us lot as you put it,are the people who pay his wages.The same people who paid fordys wages, and the same people who will be paying the next managers wages.

[Stu M]

Indeed, but surely a manager is expected to have a poor record (not be in the top quarter of the form table) before people start banging on about him doing sweet FA all day (and your evidence for this is from where exactly?).

[Guest]

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STU M .Us lot as you put it,are the people who pay his wages.The same people who paid fordys wages, and the same people who will be paying the next managers wages.

That's rubbish. Oh I pay his wages, I get to question what he does. You don't pay his wages. The board of directors, shareholders, etc, of the club pay his wages and make decisions about hiring and firing. They pay wages through the accumulation of profits from services provided, that being football, to yourselves. You contribute to the club for the football, that money is then the club's to do as it does fit and in no way are you responsible for the manager's wages.

[UP FLEET]

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STU M .Us lot as you put it,are the people who pay his wages.The same people who paid fordys wages, and the same people who will be paying the next managers wages.

That's rubbish. Oh I pay his wages, I get to question what he does. You don't pay his wages. The board of directors, shareholders, etc, of the club pay his wages and make decisions about hiring and firing. They pay wages through the accumulation of profits from services provided, that being football, to yourselves. You contribute to the club for the football, that money is then the club's to do as it does fit and in no way are you responsible for the manager's wages.

That my friend is a very good discription of the way the funding of the club is done.....and true

[Riverview Red]

You guys are wrong - directors don't pay the manager's wages, the club does from its funds which are made up from attendance money, sponsorship etc. Directors purely run the business elements of the club like any other company. Share holders certainly don't pay wages either, they simply hold shares - I know because I am one!

 

However by far the largest contribution is from us guys who buy season tickets and pay at the gate... average gate of say 1,200 per game x 45 games x £10 min = £540,000.00 per annum min = simple maths

 

This makes the Gladwish sponsorship of £50K per annum(although very welcome) look rather insignificant I think, don't you ?

 

So all in all, the group of people who indeed are most entitled to comment on club policy and managerial appointments etc are us blokes !

 

Without our "contribution" of over half a million quid each year there would be no club.

 

So keep on making comments NB Super Red and all the others, you are entitled to your opinions.

 

So I still ask the question, what does a full time manager do all day at Stonebridge Road ?

[ColtheJock]

Might as well throw my two pennies into the debate. I still feel that for the club to move forward and have any ambition of making it to the Football League then they need to go full time. They are not going to win promotion from the Conference with a part time team and the standard does seem to be rising every year as the Conference becomes more professional and like a League 3. I still feel that a step forward for next season would be to try and get 5-10 players to go full time. I understand that some might not be willing to give up their jobs and hopefully we could still incorporate them, but to have the nucleus of the team training full time would surely help the development of the team on the pitch. It seems unlikely we are going to find a golden goose, so things have to be done prudently and I think the board have done this so far. Having a full time manager means we have someone who can work on their training plan and sift through players to try and improve the squad. Surely that is better than someone who is part-time? Whatever happens, for this club to have survived three seasons in the Conference is quite an achivement, based on the budget we have. I don't think we have taken a step back this season, just that the quality of the league has increased. The future will be interesting!!!!

[Alan W (GNFC)]

Anyone know what happened at the Board meeting in relation to this issue & other issues being discussed (rebuilding the Nortfleet end was also on the agenda, I believe?)

[Harry J Allstars]

On this issue I doubt we'll know at the moment, however with regards to the stadium maybe something announced over the next couple of days.

[Bernard]

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Riverview Red said:
However by far the largest contribution is from us guys who buy season tickets and pay at the gate... average gate of say 1,200 per game x 45 games x £10 min = £540,000.00 per annum min = simple maths

I may be missing something here, but in what way are there 45 home games in a season? 21 league home games, plus perhaps a few cup games maketh not 45. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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... average gate of say 1,200 per game x 45 games x £10 min = £540,000.00 per annum min = simple maths

minus £5 for each child / oap, minus the fact that season ticket holders pay an average that is less than £10 & your figure will indeed be lower.

[chris blanc]

With the 2 home games remaining, I'd imagine that we'll have had about 30000 people come to the ground this season, which I think will probably equate to somewhere in the region of £200 000 - £250 000 once you take into account the kids / OAP's mentioned above.

[Stu M]

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Directors purely run the business elements of the club like any other company. Share holders certainly don't pay wages either, they simply hold shares - I know because I am one!

Fair enough, but it's the directors that make the decisions. We are merely customers that can take our custom elsewhere if we so please. I'm not saying you can't have an opinion and question the manager, but statements like "I pay his wages" are patently untrue. I buy burgers at McDonalds, but I don't pay Ronald's wages. I may in some small way contribute to them, giving me an opinion, but that's as far as it goes.

[FleetFanatic]

So therefore all those lovely commuters can shut up now too.

 

Excellent!

[Stu M]

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So therefore all those lovely commuters can shut up now too.

I'll add the small print about rail companies when i have more time... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

[FleetFanatic]

You can create more time by adding 5 minutes to each hour.

 

We're good at it.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

I see the Railway Timetable is top of the Fictional Book Best Sellers List! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[jc]

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ColtheJock said:I still feel that a step forward for next season would be to try and get 5-10 players to go full time.

Well, I'm sure we'd all agree - assuming you're willing to provide the necessary funds... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[MHL]

Conveniently the trains were cancelled from London Cannon Street last night. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />

 

Getting back to the argument I believe people who pay for entrance to a game have a right to ask about the running of the club. Question of ethics, you support the club by paying, you have a right to know how its run.

[David Holden]

Do you expect to have a say in the way that Sainsburys (or whichever supermarket you shop at) is run?

 

Why should a football club be any different? At the end of the day we are customers just like that supermarket. The only people who have a "right" to know how a business is run are the shareholders who have invested their hard-earned cash and then appoint a board to run the business for them.

 

So the answer is simple if you want to have a say, buy some shares, I'm pretty sure that there are still some available.

[Harry J Allstars]

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Do you expect to have a say in the way that Sainsburys (or whichever supermarket you shop at) is run?

Why should a football club be any different? At the end of the day we are customers just like that supermarket. The only people who have a "right" to know how a business is run are the shareholders who have invested their hard-earned cash and then appoint a board to run the business for them.

So the answer is simple if you want to have a say, buy some shares, I'm pretty sure that there are still some available.

Exactly David, when I worked for a Supermarket (funnily enough Sainsburys) I was fed up with people thinking they owned me. Simple fact with this scenario is they just happened to shop at Sainsburys, if they went off to Safeways they still wouldn't own their staff.

Shareholders put their money in when it is needed, customers simply take out the same as they put in the company doesn't depend on them.