St Paddy's Day

[Big J R]

With the rapidly approaching 'St. Patrick's Day', I thought I'd just drop this very hot potato into the saloon bar !

 

Messrs. Adams and McGuinness have ordered the McCartney sisters to 'Stay out of politics !' after their brothers murder.

 

The Yanks, (quite rightly, in my view), have virtually told the gruesome-twosome to 'F-Off' out of the States.

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[Woody SUFC]

What gives Adams and McGuiness the right to tell people what to do or say?

[American FLEET FAN No1]

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Woody WEFC said:
What gives Adams and McGuiness the right to tell people what to do or say?

Three simple letters..........I.R.A!
When a Kennedy refuses to meet somebody from IRAland, maybe the Americans will wake up to what these people represent!..........I live in Hope(but won't hold my breath!)

[mala_D]

Well.....if they will go around declaring "war on terrorism" then there really is no excuse for the Yanks to entertain those f*ckers.

btw, don't believe for a minute that those fellas have washed their hands of IRA activities.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

I bet the Government(or me for that matter) would never go into any Irish Bar on the East Coast and run down the IRA. Misguided Irish American and American Americans still think England is the enemy!

[Big J R]

The point I was hoping you would all jump on, is that to tell someone to 'Stay out of politics !' is a contradiction in terms.

 

How the he11 do these politicians get to Westminster, but by being VOTED into power by the electorate.

 

OK - I know they don't bother to turn up, [color:"red"] but I bet they claim their full M.P.'s expenses ! [color:"black"]

 

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[The Invisible Man]

Well in my humble view they'e not politicians, they're gangsters.

 

Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for the Irish Republican view, and further, to generalise outrageously, I always find Irish people, north and south, to be a great bunch. But their struggles, to coin a phrase, should be pursued through the ballot box (ok it's loaded with the bizarre British division of theor country) and by means of legitimate persuasion. I cannot sympathise with the twisted psychos who leave bombs lying around and shoot fathers in front of their families, or inded with the mealy mouthed thugs that purport to be their "political wing".

 

So there.

[Mark (Flag) Braintree]

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The Invisible Man said:
Well in my humble view they'e not politicians, they're gangsters.

Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for the Irish Republican view, and further, to generalise outrageously, I always find Irish people, north and south, to be a great bunch. But their struggles, to coin a phrase, should be pursued through the ballot box (ok it's loaded with the bizarre British division of theor country) and by means of legitimate persuasion. I cannot sympathise with the twisted psychos who leave bombs lying around and shoot fathers in front of their families, or inded with the mealy mouthed thugs that purport to be their "political wing".

So there.

I would so like to respond to this.

but to avoid slagging off from certain people I will keep council.

[Big J R]

As usual, Invis, you're [color:"red"] spot on !! [color:"black"]

 

What a lovely day - I may have to pop out this evening and lend my support to the Shamrock Brigade, (alcoholically speaking, that is !!) <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

[The Invisible Man]

Sobered up yet, BJR?

 

How's the head? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

[Martin]

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Big J R said:
The Yanks, (quite rightly, in my view), have virtually told the gruesome-twosome to 'F-Off' out of the States.

Too little too late from the Yanks. Hypocritical bastards.

Albeit I back a united Ireland but there are ways and means.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

You have to remember how many Irish fled to the States to escape British Rule.........Their descendants still think they are fighting the War.

[Martin]

You don't need to tell me how many Irish fleed to America. But the American Government helped fund (by providing credibility) terrorist activities in "support" of the cause for many years whilst bombs were going off in Ireland, London, Warrington etc. It is only now that the Americans have been touched by terrorism and that they want the world to support them that they have told former terrorists to get stuffed.

 

I seem to remember they were not particularly interested in the Second World until Pearl Harbour. History repeating itself and all that.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

You have to remember how, and why this country was formed to try and understand them.

 

I agree about the war, but they were providing aid well before Pearl Harbour which without, Britain would have probably folded.

[Martin]

The bit on the war was slightly tongue in cheek.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

It was true though! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[Mark (Flag) Braintree]

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Martin said:
It is only now that the Americans have been touched by terrorism and that they want the world to support them that they have told former terrorists to get stuffed.

Couldn't put it better, I agree with only this statement on this thread. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[The Invisible Man]

Not wishing to join the Mark-bashing fraternity on the forum, does that mean that you support the IRA and its methods? More than one of us here have stated that we support a united Ireland in principle but cannot condone the nasty brand of terrorism and sectarian violence (racism in any other country) as practised by the IRA. Nor would I condone unnecessary acts of violence by a British soldier and sure, some measures by the British have been at been at best clumsy, at worst brutal and unjustified. I do find it ironic when IRA thugs claim to be "soldiers" fighting a "war" then squeal that their rights have been infringed when they get shot (I'm thinking Gibraltar here).

 

Life is complicated and the world is seldom black and white, goodies and baddies.

 

Anyway I'm off to Spain for a week in an hour or so....... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Big J R]

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AmericanFLEETFANNo1 said:
You have to remember how many Irish fled to the States to escape British Rule.........

I thought it was because their tatty crop failed ?? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/whistling.gif" alt="" />

[Big J R]

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The Invisible Man said:
Sobered up yet, BJR?

How's the head? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Only had a couple, Invis !

I'm ENGLISH not Irish.

Who read about the pub that has been refused an extension for St George's day, yet the Paddy pub round the corner was granted one for Paddy's day by the same court.
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Surely, that's racial discrimination ??? [color:"black"]