Gravesham Council Leader's Comments

[behindthegoal]

...ditto me. I have asked him if he would hold a press conference to get his views in the public domain for all to hear.

[Harry J Allstars]

What paper was it in again? Was it one of the free ones? And how can I contact him?

[DarrenGNFC]

Gravesend Messenger.

 

http://www.gravesham.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=596

 

Spome details on that site, and his email address is:

 

john.burden@gravesham.gov.uk

[JimGNFC]

Received the same reply here as well.

 

The Football Club should really be providing some guidance about if they want fans to be contacting councillors about the "Fleet First" campaign or not?

 

Everything seems so delicately balanced in the context that as the Council leader points out he is PRO GNFC as it would appear his been involved in negotiations over Beauwaters. Therefore we don't want to risk upsetting councillors.

 

On the other hand the Councillors need to be made aware of the feelings of Fleet fans, regarding the potential migration of Gillingham to the area.

 

So do we keep making Councillors aware of our concerns in a POLITE fashion or do we just keep quiet, for fear of doing more harm then good?

[FleetFanatic]

When he says threatening does he mean at the ballot box?

[Stu M]

That's what I wondered?! He's either (a) had some emails from total idiots or ( construes a bit of passionate argument and a flood of emails as 'threatening'.

[David Holden]

Perhaps he had this in mind.

 

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I shall also be doing my upmost to investigate whether there exists any 'financial support' received by those in power trying to push the plans through.

 

 

I would say that accusing an official of corruption based on absolutely zero evidence could be considered threatening as well as libellous.

[Graham S]

I've received the same reply. It's possible some idiots may have gone over the top, but these would have been far outnumbered by the constructive stuff, given by what has been copied onto here, none of which could be seen as threatening in the slightest.

 

I feel we should politely thank him for taking the time to reply (the Leader of Kent County Council hasn't, nor has my local representative on KCC) & keep the moral pressure on him, re further approaches from Mr Scally, by stressing how pleased we are that we have him firmly onside. Might be worth suggesting he gets The Messenger to print a more accurate article, too.

 

Graham S

[FleetFanatic]

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Perhaps he had this in mind.

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I shall also be doing my upmost to investigate whether there exists any 'financial support' received by those in power trying to push the plans through.

I would say that accusing an official of corruption based on absolutely zero evidence could be considered threatening as well as libellous.

Wasn't accusing. Accusing is when you point the finger at somebody and say 'you are taking a bung'. I merely reminded him of the implications, should Scally think of taking that particular line of approach. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/whistling.gif" alt="" />

If he isn't doing anything wrong then he'll have nothing to worry about. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angel.gif" alt="" />

[Guest]

I also have had John Burden's reply and would be very interested to know what are the threatening comments he refers to. If they are related to threats re the ballot box then I am sure this is a useful tool, but if they are threats of a menacing nature then I think the supporters need to disassociate themselves from them as this cannot help our cause at all. Keep writing to Mr Burden and Chris Pond and other councillors. I have written to Chris Pond and hope to get a reply of some kind from him. Having read letters which you have posted on here, I must say that I am impressed by the sensible points that have been put forward and they can only help make the council realize that they are dealing with true supporters whom have given much careful thought to the situation. Hopefully Scally's plans would not get the go ahead anyway.

[David Holden]

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Perhaps he had this in mind.

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I shall also be doing my upmost to investigate whether there exists any 'financial support' received by those in power trying to push the plans through.

I would say that accusing an official of corruption based on absolutely zero evidence could be considered threatening as well as libellous.

Wasn't accusing. Accusing is when you point the finger at somebody and say 'you are taking a bung'. I merely reminded him of the implications, should Scally think of taking that particular line of approach. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/whistling.gif" alt="" />

If he isn't doing anything wrong then he'll have nothing to worry about. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/angel.gif" alt="" />

I always thought that English was your first language <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

[Guest]

Jeez! You lot have fallen for Burden spiel hook, line and sinker. He couldn’t have met a more gullible bunch than you lot if he’d tried. I could almost hear his laughter.

 

Typical politician pretending to be on everyone side, with more faces than a town hall clock. You lot reckon he isn’t told Scally exactly the opposite?

 

And to the fella who’s expecting any sympathy from Sir Sandy or his contact on the inside, don’t hold your breath pal, they’ve got bigger fish to fry than a couple of dozen non-league fans campaigning about wanting to remain the old club in the town.

 

You couldn’t have been given any more reliable tips, If it walked onto the pitch at half time with a projector screen and passed round evidence marked as exhibits a,b and c…

 

Wise up, he’s a politician, your taxes and his position within the council pays for his wages. Do you think for one minute he’d reply back that there’s pressure from above and within the party which he is a paid up member of to actively support the urban-regeneration of the Thames Gateway area by being seen to support any business which may contribute to the local economy.

[Guest]

He has basically spelled out that whilst he reckons he’s a Fleet man (any of you remember that twat Blair trying to pass himself of as a member of the toon army?); he cannot stand in the way of Gillingham’s plans for relocating to Gravesham.

 

All Scally has to do is present a case to the council, and providing the FA don’t intervene (did they with Wimbledon? – this is a lot nearer!) And the next thing we’ll see thousands of people in blue and black shirts wondering the streets.

[Vera]

I also have had the same reply from Mr. Burden and if the threats he mentions are through the ballot box then as a politician he will accept them as part of everyday life, but if they are menacing threats then I am sure that most supporters would wish to be disassociated from them, but reading through the emails that have been sent from the supporters I am sure that Mr Burden must be impressed by the reasoned debate that has gone on. I hope to get a reply from Chris Pondin due course and I hope that you will all keep the emails going out to our councillors.

 

Anonymous what does one look like wondering the streets - I wonder.

[Harry J Allstars]

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Jeez! You lot have fallen for Burden spiel hook, line and sinker. He couldn’t have met a more gullible bunch than you lot if he’d tried. I could almost hear his laughter.

Typical politician pretending to be on everyone side, with more faces than a town hall clock. You lot reckon he isn’t told Scally exactly the opposite?

And to the fella who’s expecting any sympathy from Sir Sandy or his contact on the inside, don’t hold your breath pal, they’ve got bigger fish to fry than a couple of dozen non-league fans campaigning about wanting to remain the old club in the town.

You couldn’t have been given any more reliable tips, If it walked onto the pitch at half time with a projector screen and passed round evidence marked as exhibits a,b and c…

Wise up, he’s a politician, your taxes and his position within the council pays for his wages. Do you think for one minute he’d reply back that there’s pressure from above and within the party which he is a paid up member of to actively support the urban-regeneration of the Thames Gateway area by being seen to support any business which may contribute to the local economy.

Ironically enough he replied. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/affig.gif" alt="" />

[Graham S]

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Jeez! You lot have fallen for Burden spiel hook, line and sinker. He couldn’t have met a more gullible bunch than you lot if he’d tried. I could almost hear his laughter...


...And to the fella who’s expecting any sympathy from Sir Sandy or his contact on the inside, don’t hold your breath pal, they’ve got bigger fish to fry than a couple of dozen non-league fans campaigning about wanting to remain the old club in the town.

You couldn’t have been given any more reliable tips, If it walked onto the pitch at half time with a projector screen and passed round evidence marked as exhibits a,b and c…

Wise up, he’s a politician, your taxes and his position within the council pays for his wages. Do you think for one minute he’d reply back that there’s pressure from above and within the party which he is a paid up member of to actively support the urban-regeneration of the Thames Gateway area by being seen to support any business which may contribute to the local economy.

A veritable know all aren't you, pal? Well have a go at these:

1. If you pride yourself on being so superior to us gullible underlings, how come you either haven't learnt how to register, or haven't got the balls to reveal who you are?

2. I take it you are referring to me as the "fella who’s expecting ... sympathy from Sir Sandy or his contact on the inside?" In which case, take the trouble to read what I actually wrote. I emailed him a couple of weeks ago, asking for his views, not his sympathy, just as I did Chris Pond.
Unlike Mr Pond, though, he didn't bother to reply. I did not refer to any contact on the inside either (do you have ADI or something?) I emailed the KCC councillor for my local ward in Gravesham.

3. Do you really think, responding to John Burden with, "Oh yeah, sod off you Machiavellian tw*t," would get us anywhere. We are all aware of the implications of his closing remarks, but there's slightly less chance of him stitching us up if we've seized on his supportive remarks & made him feel as if we believe he's behind us.

4. And lastly, a master of the act of arrogance like yourself really should check his grammar properly: "reply" does not require the addition of "back." The prefix "re" does that.

Get some humility tablets from the doc next time you're there having the girth of you head checked.

Graham S

[Wobbly Wayne rides again]

I got the same reply back from the guy.

 

the last sentence is a bit worrying. But I take him at his word that he is in regular contact with the club, which has got to be a good thing.

 

Is it time for more direct action ?

 

How about a meet and demonstration in Gravesend prior to a home game, with a march to the ground to highlight our plight. In the very least it would get some publicity.

 

 

But what we really need is direction from the club..

[Guest]

Forget about my grammar for five minutes Graham, cos you’re going to need a lot more than your grammatical skills and a few emails to this numpty.

 

And as for ‘be nice to him, cos he might be less mean to us’, turn it in eh? Were not going to win any support on a sympathy vote on this one. Of course I ain’t saying threaten the fella, but a few emails, and then being fobbed of with some crap is a bit lame.

 

Certain people wanna take a different approach.

[Stu M]

Yes, all very well Mr Anon, but to repeat Graham's most pertinent point above: "If you pride yourself on being so superior to us gullible underlings", why don't you show us some leadership, point us in the direction of the promised land rather than just sounding off from your high throne.

[Harry J Allstars]

I doubt he even read your emails (although you still should send them as will I) but he had his reply already set up. Same old story some bloke says something to the press, people don't like what he says, he then says I never said that my comments were taken ut of context. If he believed that for a second then he wouldn't have spoken to them. This guy could be very dangerous to our cause he is not our frined he is our enemy.

 

We should do everything in our power to get him shamed, if you see him in a night club then get your girlfriend to try it on with him or something, ruin him, do whatever you can but remember he is in Scally's pocket.