GOOD TO SEE

[AFF]

Hi Zealster.

 

Just so that I understand the point you are making, CZ, are you saying that, in the light of the events of 9.11, it's perfectably acceptable to you that terrorist suspects are able to be detained without charge for a period of three or four years?

 

Forget where they are arrested [if that's the right word], forget where they are held without charge and the living conditions in which they are detained let's stick with that first basic principle.

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

Correct. That is my view.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Well I just hope you or nobody you know is subjected to that.

At least the Middle East would do the decent thing and have a corrupt trial.

 

Do you also think these people should be denied basic human rights and access to a lawyer.

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

If lawyers can ensure a monster like OJ Simpson gets a verdict of "not guilty" in the American courts, then I sure as hell don't want them representing suspected terrorists who can inflict serious carnage on the free world, so no, they should not be allowed lawyers.

 

 

[CANV EFM]

i think they should be hung in public.. ne real reason other than i saw some documentary about public hanging centuries ago and they looked like really good rowdy piss ups with lots of civil disorder

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

I certainly think petty vandals and thieves should be publically flogged outside the townhall on a Saturday morning.

 

Think I may have mentioned that before, mind.

[AFF]

I think that you should get out more Zealster.

 

Sticking to the basic point but changing the subject slightly, do you think that it's perfectly acceptable that, once the police or the appropriate authorities have carried out an investigation and come to the view that the suspect is guilty, it's quite acceptable for them to place incriminating evidence at the scene of the crime in order to ensure a conviction?

 

If "yes", I'm out of this discussion right now.

 

If "no", what would you do in those circumstances if you were the judge?

[gertcha EFM]

Do you really belive they are just four innocent guys who went to train in camps run by al-Qaeda and got picked up by mistake ?

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

AFF.

 

This isn't planting a kilo of cocaine round the house of a known dealer, in order to get corrupt evidence to convict them in a court of law.

 

We are talking about the serious threat to the world. This isn't the stuff of James Bond movies anymore. Al-Qaieda proved exactly how serious they are about destroying the Free World when they hijacked those four jumbo jets in September 2001.

 

Anyone who is suspected must be detained. Preferably indefinitely.

[AFF]

Now I certainly didn't say that, Gertcha so the answer is 'No'.

 

However. There has to be 'Law & Order'. 3 years is more than enough time to gather enough evidence, not to establish whether the suspect is guilty of a crime, but rather to lay before the judiciary and seek a conviction.

 

What some seem to be promoting on here is the principle that we could do away with the court processes, bring the accused into the local nick and let the Desk Sargeant decide whether he/she is guilty or innocent and impose whatever level of punishment is considered appropriate. It would save an awful lot of fuss, bother, time and money.

 

I don't think so.

[AFF]

Hi CZ.

 

In the case of O. J. Simpson, you might be interested to research the evidence of the 'bloodstained glove'.

[YB941 5thD EFM ~soul~]

So you believe him to be innocent?

 

Please briefly outline this evidence.

 

 

[AFF]

According to the record, he is innocent, Zealster. My views and suspicions are irrelevant but I wouldn't seek out his company for a couple of beers.

 

The story of the bloodstained glove is brief and simple but forgive any minor errors that may come with my summary. Two forensic teams inspected the crime scene. The first didn't notice a heavily bloodstained glove that was found by the second on the pathway leading around the house an hour later. The glove was soaked with the victims blood.

 

Now as you know CZ, gloves come in pairs. After scouring the neighbourhood, the Police located the matching glove. It was in a chest of drawers at O. J Simpson's house.

 

Pretty damming evidence, eh?

 

If I remember rightly, the glove was a mans glove but it was a small size and Mr Simpson has enormous hands. In other circumstances, it would have been amusing to watch his defence attorney asking the guy to try it on and, of course, failing miserably. I imagine that the jury were equally impressed that the thing wasn't spotted in the first extensive search of the premises.

[pabird]

He also demonstrated in court that due to a condition in his hands the swelling of the knuckles meant he could not get onto his hand the glove offered in evidence

The prosecution stated that he had stopped taking medication that controlled the swelling so as to show the glove could not be his?

[CANV EFM]

hang him

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

The best bit and totally against the law was when he just piped up "it doesn't fit" when trying it on.

I loved that trial, it was well good!